desertduck66
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So I finally got my new card after a 5 month effort. I ran 3DMark and I get much lower graphics scores than I've seen from most running a 3090 with no overclock. I feel like one of three things may be happening. - I am somehow doing something wrong running the benchmark
- My existing setup is somehow throttling the new cards potential
- There is something fundamentally wrong with the card itself
Any suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 20:35:55
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Can you post the rest of the computer specs?
And what are your scores? Graphics scores only please
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desertduck66
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 20:37:57
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Sorry, somehow the link to the 3dmark results was deleted.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 20:39:33
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Post count probably not high enough. You'll have to do it the ol fashion way.
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desertduck66
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 20:46:18
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Probably, although you would think the preview would also leave the url off as well. :)
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 20:49:54
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Sorry, somehow the link to the 3dmark results was deleted.
Here's what I found searching for your setup (i5-7500 & single 3090). You're number 11 on the list (but you hold spots 11, 12, & 13). Search (3dmark.com) Looking at the list, it looks like your low CPU scores are the lowest of everybody testing with your CPU/GPU combo, and the lower CPU performance is most likely also bottlenecking the 3090 from shining. Have you taken a look at your CPU temps to see if you're thermal throttling or anything?
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 21:25:25
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Yeah, I tried the benchmark with mining settings(-200 gpu, +1100 mem, 74% power) and also with no overclock. Mem junction temps are hovering around 98-100c under full load. Hwinfo64 and GPU-Z.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 23:08:27
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So I finally got my new card after a 5 month effort. I ran 3DMark and I get much lower graphics scores than I've seen from most running a 3090 with no overclock. I feel like one of three things may be happening.
- I am somehow doing something wrong running the benchmark
- My existing setup is somehow throttling the new cards potential
- There is something fundamentally wrong with the card itself
Any suggestions or input would be greatly appreciated.
If you could post a breakdown of your system, components, case layout, and perhaps even a picture of the case. Something like: Case: Motherboard: CPU: PSU: Cooler: Now from your post showing a 3dmark run: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/22189604While this is a synthetic load, I'm willing to bet the old i5-7500 cannot keep the 3090 properly fed to really make it shine. You mentioned that you are seeing high mem temps, can we please see your case layout? Are you able to monitor GPU power draw, and if you do not know how to, would you like us to explain? Lets see if we can get to the bottom of this.
 
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/15 23:58:02
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You put a 3090 with an i5 7500? Is this a joke or are you that much out of touch? FFS a 4 core/ 4 thread cpu is a playable limitation for modern games in general never mind a massive bottleneck. Hell even a 3060 would be held back as that cpu is not even capable of maintaining 60 fps in some games and will be fully pegged in nearly every modern game. In fact your Time Spy score is about what a 3060 would get so you could have just bought a 3060 and saved 1500 bucks. Of course even a 3060 with that cpu will be causing low fps, horrible minimums and stutters making many modern games not the least bit enjoyable so it should have been upgraded before ANY gpu upgrade was done. Even the current consoles have a cpu that's 2.5 times faster than your 7500. Sticking a $2000 gpu with that cpu is truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen when it comes to computers.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 02:24:14
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You put a 3090 with an i5 7500? Is this a joke or are you that much out of touch? FFS a 4 core/ 4 thread cpu is a playable limitation for modern games in general never mind a massive bottleneck. Hell even a 3060 would be held back as that cpu is not even capable of maintaining 60 fps in some games and will be fully pegged in nearly every modern game. In fact your Time Spy score is about what a 3060 would get so you could have just bought a 3060 and saved 1500 bucks. Of course even a 3060 with that cpu will be causing low fps, horrible minimums and stutters making many modern games not the least bit enjoyable so it should have been upgraded before ANY gpu upgrade was done. Even the current consoles have a cpu that's 2.5 times faster than your 7500. Sticking a $2000 gpu with that cpu is truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen when it comes to computers.
Yeaaaah, this is pretty much it. Given this could have been said in a much nicer way lol. Either way he's right, as that CPU simply can't keep up anymore. You want better frames? Upgrade your Motherboard, CPU, and RAM. Depending on your PSU you might need one of those too if you upgrade all of that. I know, sucks to hear after buying a $2-3k GPU but you've gotta have other hardware able to keep up with it.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 02:34:55
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You put a 3090 with an i5 7500? Is this a joke or are you that much out of touch? FFS a 4 core/ 4 thread cpu is a playable limitation for modern games in general never mind a massive bottleneck. Hell even a 3060 would be held back as that cpu is not even capable of maintaining 60 fps in some games and will be fully pegged in nearly every modern game. In fact your Time Spy score is about what a 3060 would get so you could have just bought a 3060 and saved 1500 bucks. Of course even a 3060 with that cpu will be causing low fps, horrible minimums and stutters making many modern games not the least bit enjoyable so it should have been upgraded before ANY gpu upgrade was done. Even the current consoles have a cpu that's 2.5 times faster than your 7500. Sticking a $2000 gpu with that cpu is truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen when it comes to computers.
Yeaaaah, this is pretty much it. Given this could have been said in a much nicer way lol. Either way he's right, as that CPU simply can't keep up anymore. You want better frames? Upgrade your Motherboard, CPU, and RAM. Depending on your PSU you might need one of those too if you upgrade all of that. I know, sucks to hear after buying a $2-3k GPU but you've gotta have other hardware able to keep up with it.
Well a couple others only mildly hinted at the cpu maybe being an issue so I wanted to make it 100% clear it was. Plus anyone that buys a 3090 and knows how to run benchmarks should surely have enough sense to figure out that an old 4 core/ 4 thread cpu would not cut it.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 03:33:44
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There's something else wrong with his machine. Originally I had my 3080ti in a 4790k system. It was held back by the cpu, but nowhere near as bad. I do have the gpu overclocked, but that doesn't explain the difference. https://www.3dmark.com/co...21455757/spy/22189604#
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 09:55:05
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Your 4790k is overclocked and has hyper threading so it would actually be quite a bit faster than a stock i-5 7500 in a benchmark that leverages the CPU pretty well. Plus he is using very slow memory.
And even if that doesn't explain it all it's still irrelevant because his CPU completely destroys what even a modern mid-range card is capable of so it absolutely needs to be replaced. As I mentioned earlier that CPU is not even capable of maintaining 60 FPS in some games and will be 100% fully utilized in pretty much any modern game causing stuttering even if the actual frame rate is okay.
The absolute minimum CPU that a card like a 3080 TI or 3090 should be paired with is a modern 6 core 12 thread. Personally there's no way in hell I would stick a $2,000 GPU with anything less than the fastest 8 core 16 thread CPU.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 12:40:00
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Maybe so. I missed how low the cpu score is. That is really slow.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 12:56:48
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That's one overworked i5 7500 4c/4t CPU! That system definitely needed more than a 3090 to make it go zoom. Maybe try Port Royal as it's more of a GPU focused benchmark.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 13:07:22
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Time Spy Extreme always scored the best with my 4790k. I couldn't score any higher when I swapped to my 3900x I had laying around. (except the cpu score of course)
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 13:19:21
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Maybe he's doing 8K gaming? That CPU should handle 30 FPS in modern games. I had an i5-2300 for longer than I'd like to admit, those score about 2,000 or so in TS CPU.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 13:31:51
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Time Spy Extreme always scored the best with my 4790k. I couldn't score any higher when I swapped to my 3900x I had laying around. (except the cpu score of course)
That's normal from my observation. Zen 2 and even Zen 3 CPUs usually score less than a Intel CPU by a few 100s of points. You can find a 9900K and a 3900X with similar GPUs, the 3900X can have higher average clocks and higher max clocks and the 9900K will still score higher in some instances. Edit: Everything here would lead you to believe the 5900X would beat the 10900K yet it doesn't here: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/14048075/spy/16032428#
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 13:40:47
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Heck, I almost want to setup my old FX board just to see what happens with the 3090 at this point....
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 16:12:11
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B B B B Bottlenecked to the bone...
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 17:26:30
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Yeah, I get that its not going to shine like it should considering the supporting cast it has now but I would think it would under perform consistently. I was trying to play Battlefield V and it was sort of stuttering so I thought I would run the 3dMark test. In addition to the 3dmark score, reported hashrate fluctuates from high 80s to 121mh/s. Short of thermal throttling it should not vary nearly that much.
Upgrades are on the way though, the 3090 was an unexpected opportunity purchase so I figured I would toss it in my current machine and see whats up. I'm wondering if the power supply (220-G5-0850-X1) might be at fault and I need a new one as well.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 17:40:24
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Yeah, I get that its not going to shine like it should considering the supporting cast it has now but I would think it would under perform consistently. I was trying to play Battlefield V and it was sort of stuttering so I thought I would run the 3dMark test. In addition to the 3dmark score, reported hashrate fluctuates from high 80s to 121mh/s. Short of thermal throttling it should not vary nearly that much.
Upgrades are on the way though, the 3090 was an unexpected opportunity purchase so I figured I would toss it in my current machine and see whats up. I'm wondering if the power supply (220-G5-0850-X1) might be at fault and I need a new one as well.
Get us a picture of your system lay out, what kind of temps are you hitting on the GPU, I am very curious if you have an airflow issue, might I recommend lowering the power target JUST to see what happens. 70% Just to see what the temps do, re run the same tests again.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 17:58:13
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The case is an h500m. The sensor data is while running Ethash 71% power, -200 core, +1200mem.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 18:00:16
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Here is a crappy image of the case.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 18:28:45
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I will not be replying anymore due to mining. Best of luck.
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Re: New 3090 FTW Ultra Surprising Benchmarks.
2021/08/16 19:21:57
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If it makes you feel better I am running a 5930k with a 3080TI haha, wanted to get a new GPU while I waited for fall to get closer as I debate on intel 12th gen or intel 10th gen for my upgrade on the rest of my hardware.
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