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hello guys. im looking for at new 2080ti card and have a really hard time to se what the difference is between the cards.
 
basicly im looking at a card at my local store named 

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING  GF RTX 2080 Ti - 11 GB GDDR6 - PCIe 3.0 x16 - HDMI, 3 x DisplayPort, USB-C

EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti XC HYBRID GAMING  GF RTX 2080 Ti - 11 GB GDDR6 - PCIe 3.0 x16 - HDMI, 3 x DisplayPort, USB-C

 
 
For me the specs look the same, i can ofc se the cooling are different but where can i se how much performance im getting out of it :S ?  I really dont get it, specially because the aircooled is a bit more expensive than the hybrid where i buy it add.
what card would you guys think i should choose for the best gaming experience i could get - when in that price range ? is the first time ever i buy a card in that price range, my current card is a 980ti so im really exited over this ! Hope you guys can help me !  if you have a whole other card in mind in same price range please let me know !
 
my current setup is msi tomhawk motherboard, 9700k cpu, 980ti, 16gb ram, ssd, seasonic bronze 750w
 
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 16:06:39 (permalink)
    Welcome to the EVGA Forums & Congrats on your First Thread

    What case do you have ?
     
    What Monitor are you planning on playing on ? Resolution
     
     
     
    Buy the card with the Highest Advertised MHz ... as that is the only performance guarantee
     
    OC is not guaranteed - thus the "Silicon Lottery" everyone talks about
     
     
     
    Some cards have the Thicker Cooler - you'll need 3-slots for those
     
    FTW 3 are Larger Cards (Wider / Taller from the PCIe socket towards the side of your case)
     
    The cooler the GPU the Faster - the backed in Nvidia Boost 4.0 will let the card clock - even without OC software
     
     
     
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 16:22:51 (permalink)
    think I'd take the ftw3 of the two
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 16:41:29 (permalink)
    Thank you for the fast reply ! and sorry for my english, not my native language and its late here
    Ah ! i se now ! i totaly overlocked the Mhz lol.. i was blinded thinking about that hybrid must be cooler = best - but i se that if i want 1700'ish mhz with hybrid i have to pay a bit more, and if i go up in that price range i could rather just give a lil extra and buy the K|NGP|N... so lets not go there ! lol.
     
    Im not really sure what you mean with faster.. so the hybrid is faster because its cooler, but the 1755MHz cool triple is slower but still better somehow due to the higher mhz ? 
     
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the 1755MHz now but i will still hear you guys out to be sure !
     
    right now im gaming with a big old 1080p phillips tv because my gaming monitor is down, but im planning to buy a 4k gaming monitor  again with g-sync very soon.
    my case is a nzxt h710i
     
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 16:57:12 (permalink)
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    Thank you for the fast reply ! and sorry for my english, not my native language and its late here
    Ah ! i se now ! i totaly overlocked the Mhz lol.. i was blinded thinking about that hybrid must be cooler = best - but i se that if i want 1700'ish mhz with hybrid i have to pay a bit more, and if i go up in that price range i could rather just give a lil extra and buy the K|NGP|N... so lets not go there ! lol.
     
    Im not really sure what you mean with faster.. so the hybrid is faster because its cooler, but the 1755MHz cool triple is slower but still better somehow due to the higher mhz ? 
     
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the 1755MHz now but i will still hear you guys out to be sure !
     
    right now im gaming with a big old 1080p phillips tv because my gaming monitor is down, but im planning to buy a 4k gaming monitor  again with g-sync very soon.
    my case is a nzxt h710i
     
     




    The advertised numbers (1755 etc.) are only the guaranteed clocks based on the model.  What Cool GTX is saying is the cooler you keep any of the cards the faster they will run above that guarantee.  An example is my 2080 Super FTW3 is guaranteed for 1845, but regularly runs around 2025-2040.  If you can keep the FTW3 cool, it should theoretically outperform the XC hybrid if you are overclock it due to the design features of the FTW series.  If you can't provide enough airflow in your case or the card is too big then you might need to do the hybrid.  The FTW cards are much bigger than the other models.
     
    edit:  your H700i should fit the FTW without problems unless you have fans and radiators or reservoirs in the front.
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 17:02:35 (permalink)
    What is your Room Temp C - most days ?
     
    The Hybrid Card will do a better job - Getting the Heat from the Card outside of your PC Case
     
    Why you may ask ?  The Hybrid card has a Fan in it that blows Most of the hot air out the back of the card (this is cooling the power section)  The hybrid heatsink takes the heat from the GPU & RAM through the liquid puts most of this heat in the radiator - the fan can blow the heat outside of the case - If its set to exhaust

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 17:03:53 (permalink)
    Thank you for the reply Flyinion.
    so i should pick the hybrid if i cant provide enough airflow and therefore cooling - and if my case is big enough and i have enough fans installed the FTW3 would be the best choice at that price range ?
     
    I would btw be okay with buying a new case and a couple of new fans if airflow was bad, as the gpu is more important for me
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 17:09:02 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    What is your Room Temp C - most days ?
     
    The Hybrid Card will do a better job - Getting the Heat from the Card outside of your PC Case


    i guess its normal room temp - 20 to 25 degrees Celsius, in the summer it can get a lil hotter but i dont game doing the day in the summer that much, so maximum 30 i guess on the really bad days and there isnt many of them.
     
    Basicly doing the winter if i dont get some fire going in the old stove i got some pretty good cooling going on  but not ideal 
     
     
     its so confusing lol !  like i said im willing to upgrade case and fans if it wont move enough air but i really just want the card that gives me most fps i guess
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 17:14:58 (permalink)
    Unless you're really planning to optimize your cooling and do manual overclocking on that FTW card, out of the box like Cool said you'll probably get better performance from the Hybrid due to its cooling features.  The FTW cards are really kind of designed for overclocking with enhanced power delivery and custom PCB boards to support that.

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 17:30:33 (permalink)
    well i dont know, i always tell myself when i buy a card that i wont overclock and 2 hours in im overclocking it. So I guess i should go with the FTW since i sometime overclock to gain performance in some games ? What is wrong with my current cooling for the FTW btw ? I have 3 fans in front, two on top and one in the back - do i need more you think because i have plenty fans laying around, and other cases with better cooling laying around also i could use.
     
    I think the h700i has pretty good airflow already tbh - but lets say i provide plenty of cooling to both cards and dont overclock, the ftw would beat the hybrid even stock ?
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 18:11:41 (permalink)
    Ftw3 ultra. Buy it. Higher power limit and fat heatsink is key. Later on you can install a hydro block on it and it will be like a new faster card.

    Hybrid cooler is not good enough for the 2080ti.

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 18:49:11 (permalink)
    All of the above.  Also consider the FTW3 Hybrid if you can deal with the pump noise, many people have good luck with the hybrids especially with push pull fans.  The Kingpin is worth considering if you can find a deal because it comes with 240mm radiator, real top performance with an overclock. 
     
    If you don't truly need 2080ti performance, the 2080 Super FTW3 Hybrid provides a ton of performance at $800, within 10% of a basic $1000+ 2080ti.
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 19:10:39 (permalink)
    thx everyone ! im pretty sure im gonna buy a 2080ti FTW3 now ! :) 
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 20:30:18 (permalink)
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    thx everyone ! im pretty sure im gonna buy a 2080ti FTW3 now ! :) 




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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/06 21:54:05 (permalink)
    I like the EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra Hybrid over the air cooled card (I have both).
    I also have the Kingpin Hybrid but I'm waiting for parts for another computer so I have not tried it yet.
    The EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra Hybrid runs at 2145 MHz 24/7 consistently (crunching Seti at Home).
    The EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra air cooled card runs 2055 MHz 24/7 consistently with the same settings (crunching Seti at Home).


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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 04:49:03 (permalink)
    yeeeaa.... been thinking about it all night and dayt now..
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the kingpin now - a friend that knows about this stuff said :
     
    if i know you right, you are not going to buy a new gpu in the next 3-5 years so go with the best choice there is and the kingpin is the best, even if you dont want to OC everything about this card is better, if we pretend we live in a world where money aint a problem at all the kingpin is the choice over them all in any situation !
     
    I do want to OC btw, but i also want to game and have fun with does OC settings, not only look at benchmark test - but like many said it would be silly not to OC with a card like that.
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 05:10:58 (permalink)
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    yeeeaa.... been thinking about it all night and dayt now..
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the kingpin now - a friend that knows about this stuff said :
     
    if i know you right, you are not going to buy a new gpu in the next 3-5 years so go with the best choice there is and the kingpin is the best, even if you dont want to OC everything about this card is better, if we pretend we live in a world where money aint a problem at all the kingpin is the choice over them all in any situation !
     
    I do want to OC btw, but i also want to game and have fun with does OC settings, not only look at benchmark test - but like many said it would be silly not to OC with a card like that.




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    The 5-10C lower you get from an optimized setup can get you into a lower declocking bracket in the Boost 4.0, giving you higher sustained clocks in normal use.
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 05:26:56 (permalink)
    Really smart choice if ya can afford to. Card will overclock itself depending on temps anyways like all cards will but the better cooler will help.

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 05:38:52 (permalink)
    Kingpin is a nice choice if you want the best of the best.  

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 06:08:49 (permalink)
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    yeeeaa.... been thinking about it all night and dayt now..
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the kingpin now - a friend that knows about this stuff said :
     
    if i know you right, you are not going to buy a new gpu in the next 3-5 years so go with the best choice there is and the kingpin is the best, even if you dont want to OC everything about this card is better, if we pretend we live in a world where money aint a problem at all the kingpin is the choice over them all in any situation !
     
    I do want to OC btw, but i also want to game and have fun with does OC settings, not only look at benchmark test - but like many said it would be silly not to OC with a card like that.




    If you get the Kingpin make sure you can properly set up the 240mm radiator, preferably front mount intake.  It's also strongly recommended to use push pull fans, high static pressure type for radiators.  You could add to the stock fans, or a quad of premium fans will run you about $100 or so.  I'm having great results with a pair of Noctua A12's on my normal hybrid radiator, they are a good mix of low noise and high pressure performance.
     
    The 5-10C lower you get from an optimized setup can get you into a lower declocking bracket in the Boost 4.0, giving you higher sustained clocks in normal use.


     
    Good thing you are saying this ! i tought my h700i was fine but i need a new tower/ case .. aw.. i liked the look because it was kinda simple, small, with temp glass and stealth looking (black edition) and with some nice RGB lights aswell without it being all spaceship. If you guys has a idea for a good case with really good airflow, black (or toned down colors), temp glass, then please tell me !! :) RGB is not a most but i still like some.. also because im choosing this expensive card im not looking for something really high end in pc cases now, not something really low end - i guess i can afford to spend something like 200usd on a case now so if you guys can help me out with that also i would really apperciate.   I know that i prolly should end out with a bigtower or something to get alot of room for cooling, but i would preefer something more compact with good cooliong abilities, but if it isnt a possibility for my price range or what i want - then i go for a big tower
     
    btw you are saying alot about upgrading fans n stuff but i expect that i can just take the card out of the box, put it in the right pc case, make sure cooling is OKAY and then i should be fine right ? Do you mean that if i want to push the card any further i should consider looking at better fans / cooling like the push pull fans on the radiators ?
    post edited by Horatio Nullbuilt - 2019/11/07 06:14:27
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 06:29:04 (permalink)
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    Good thing you are saying this ! i tought my h700i was fine but i need a new tower/ case .. aw.. i liked the look because it was kinda simple, small, with temp glass and stealth looking (black edition) and with some nice RGB lights aswell without it being all spaceship. If you guys has a idea for a good case with really good airflow, black (or toned down colors), temp glass, then please tell me !! :) RGB is not a most but i still like some.. also because im choosing this expensive card im not looking for something really high end in pc cases now, not something really low end - i guess i can afford to spend something like 200usd on a case now so if you guys can help me out with that also i would really apperciate.   I know that i prolly should end out with a bigtower or something to get alot of room for cooling, but i would preefer something more compact with good cooliong abilities, but if it isnt a possibility for my price range or what i want - then i go for a big tower
     
    btw you are saying alot about upgrading fans n stuff but i expect that i can just take the card out of the box, put it in the right pc case, make sure cooling is OKAY and then i should be fine right ? Do you mean that if i want to push the card any further i should consider looking at better fans / cooling like the push pull fans on the radiators ?




    Here's a nice case.
     
    Here's the similar case but fully loaded with a RGB and iCue controller integrated.
     
    Dependent if you have a cooler ambient environment, replacing the rad fans say with Noctua A12s along with reTIMing the GPU, should see some improvements.

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 06:34:50 (permalink)
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    Good thing you are saying this ! i tought my h700i was fine but i need a new tower/ case .. aw.. i liked the look because it was kinda simple, small, with temp glass and stealth looking (black edition) and with some nice RGB lights aswell without it being all spaceship. If you guys has a idea for a good case with really good airflow, black (or toned down colors), temp glass, then please tell me !! :) RGB is not a most but i still like some.. also because im choosing this expensive card im not looking for something really high end in pc cases now, not something really low end - i guess i can afford to spend something like 200usd on a case now so if you guys can help me out with that also i would really apperciate.   I know that i prolly should end out with a bigtower or something to get alot of room for cooling, but i would preefer something more compact with good cooliong abilities, but if it isnt a possibility for my price range or what i want - then i go for a big tower
     
    btw you are saying alot about upgrading fans n stuff but i expect that i can just take the card out of the box, put it in the right pc case, make sure cooling is OKAY and then i should be fine right ? Do you mean that if i want to push the card any further i should consider looking at better fans / cooling like the push pull fans on the radiators ?




    a nice case.
     
    the similar case but fully loaded with a RGB and iCue controller integrated.
     
    Dependent if you have a cooler ambient environment, replacing the rad fans say with Noctua A12s along with reTIMing the GPU, should see some improvements.




    Thank you for the help ! i dont like the look of the fans in front so much ttough :C i was looking at this case earlier and felt in love with it 
     
    (phanteks enthoo luxe-2) if anyone can confirm that it would be a good case for the job i guess im going with it
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 06:47:19 (permalink)
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    yeeeaa.... been thinking about it all night and dayt now..
    im pretty sure im gonna go with the kingpin now - a friend that knows about this stuff said :
     
    if i know you right, you are not going to buy a new gpu in the next 3-5 years so go with the best choice there is and the kingpin is the best, even if you dont want to OC everything about this card is better, if we pretend we live in a world where money aint a problem at all the kingpin is the choice over them all in any situation !
     
    I do want to OC btw, but i also want to game and have fun with does OC settings, not only look at benchmark test - but like many said it would be silly not to OC with a card like that.




    If you get the Kingpin make sure you can properly set up the 240mm radiator, preferably front mount intake.  It's also strongly recommended to use push pull fans, high static pressure type for radiators.  You could add to the stock fans, or a quad of premium fans will run you about $100 or so.  I'm having great results with a pair of Noctua A12's on my normal hybrid radiator, they are a good mix of low noise and high pressure performance.
     
    The 5-10C lower you get from an optimized setup can get you into a lower declocking bracket in the Boost 4.0, giving you higher sustained clocks in normal use.


     
    Good thing you are saying this ! i tought my h700i was fine but i need a new tower/ case .. aw.. i liked the look because it was kinda simple, small, with temp glass and stealth looking (black edition) and with some nice RGB lights aswell without it being all spaceship. If you guys has a idea for a good case with really good airflow, black (or toned down colors), temp glass, then please tell me !! :) RGB is not a most but i still like some.. also because im choosing this expensive card im not looking for something really high end in pc cases now, not something really low end - i guess i can afford to spend something like 200usd on a case now so if you guys can help me out with that also i would really apperciate.   I know that i prolly should end out with a bigtower or something to get alot of room for cooling, but i would preefer something more compact with good cooliong abilities, but if it isnt a possibility for my price range or what i want - then i go for a big tower
     
    btw you are saying alot about upgrading fans n stuff but i expect that i can just take the card out of the box, put it in the right pc case, make sure cooling is OKAY and then i should be fine right ? Do you mean that if i want to push the card any further i should consider looking at better fans / cooling like the push pull fans on the radiators ?




    Hey, you should be fine with a dual radiator setup in your case, assuming I'm looking at the right case.
     
    The point about the push pull fans is that radiators are very restrictive to air flow and you can get about a 5-7C decrease in temps by using push pull vs. a single. You'll also get an improvement with a premium fan with better high pressure performance, like the Noctua A12 or Industrial series.  Say if this gets you from 53C down to 47C, Boost 4.0 will give you 15mhz more clock speed in stable loaded operation, for a given clock speed setting.  Note that this applies to both stock and overclock use.  
     
    The stock Kingpin fans are just fine though.
       
    As a side note, the case fans included with your case are low pressure fans meant for unobstructed ventilation, will not do anything impressive on a radiator.
     
     

     
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 06:50:24 (permalink)
    Look at Phanteks & Thermaltake cases - I like the quality & value

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 08:21:31 (permalink)
    +1 on Kevin's and Cool's advise.  

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 08:25:29 (permalink)
    As a Kingpin owner, if I had to do it again I would get a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra or an Ultra Hybrid if I wasn't going custom loop with an EK waterblock. 
     
    Phanteks cases are very high quality.
     
    Lian Li O11 Dynamic is nice but you'll need to mount the card vertically if going with one of the larger custom PCB options. 
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    i know im being difficult but now i felt in love with the phanteks enthoo luxe-2 - i tried not to .. (removed)! and its on sale at my local hardware store so i can get it cheap. 
    im looking so much forward to this !  if i remember it i will post some data on temp and so on when its all done.
     
    thank you all so much ones again, great forum !  think im staying 
     
     
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 08:29:26 (permalink)
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    As a Kingpin owner, if I had to do it again I would get a 2080 Ti FTW3 Ultra or an Ultra Hybrid if I wasn't going custom loop with an EK waterblock. 
     
    Phanteks cases are very high quality.
     
    Lian Li O11 Dynamic is nice but you'll need to mount the card vertically if going with one of the larger custom PCB options. 


    can i ask why you would take a FTW3 over a kingpin ? 
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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 08:51:06 (permalink)
    Overhead card for regular usage. All its features you don't need for regular usage but added to its price. Giving about same performance in regular usage/gaming as ftw3 ultra. The only useful feature is 240mm rad, but 120mm works great too. Nobody producing waterblocks for kingpin except evga so you have no choice for custom waterloop.

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    Re: Need help choosing a new 2080ti card 2019/11/07 08:59:55 (permalink)
    sorry my english is a bit crappy sometimes lol - you ment with overhead overheat or do overhead means its like overkill for regular use ? im fine with overkilling a bit here.
    but lets say im playing a game and im cranking the res and settings way up there, trying to make the game as good looking as possible, and therefore also have to overclocking the card, then the kingpin would win big over FTW3 ? right ? 
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