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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/01 10:16:13
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Thanks for the notice --- wow, 10% increase maybe (from your link ) The price increase is expected to amount to approximately 10% and take effect starting in early September.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/01 12:12:46
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Memory prices have been increasing due to massive demand not just for graphics cards but for any item needing memory.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/01 12:37:52
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Glad I already have my cards.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/01 13:00:14
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/02 05:17:52
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Sajin Glad I already have my cards.
+1. It's correct to assume that SSD/ DDR4 mem. should have more price increase as well?
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/02 06:17:24
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that actually might stabilize since the GDDR fab plants are going to make SSD ram and DDR unless demands is increasing faster than they can produce the ram they just need more fabs - and that will take time
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/02 08:15:26
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Than I could easy to wait Volta. Anyway I fight to find normal model bellow 900 euro or 900 euro. Why not to wait Volta than and buy TITAN from NVIDIA. Anaway I seriously think between Poseidon and X299. 28 PCI-E lanes and thermal paste are probably only reason why GPU is better option.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/02 08:42:43
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This seems to be the 3rd time this has happened with Memory. Well one was due to the factory was burned down but still about Memory.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/04 19:08:28
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Oh great, ANOTHER 10% on top of the EXISTING 10-15% premium for the 1070 vs 6 months back. Seems like memory makers are not keeping their eye on the market as well as they really should be....
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/05 06:06:21
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It's funny that the price of DDR4 (especially) has been steadily rising due to a "shortage" of memory. When I go to my local retailer what is it they never have a shortage of??? Thaaaaaaaaat's right. Memory.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/05 10:24:35
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Thanks for posting redleader. IMO, prices should be going the other way, already too high.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/06 06:42:34
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Stupid GPU mining. All those GPUs going to miners, and of course all those GPUs need systems with RAM to plug into... May not be the direct cause, but it certainly is making the situation worse.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/06 09:30:28
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kougar Stupid GPU mining. All those GPUs going to miners, and of course all those GPUs need systems with RAM to plug into... May not be the direct cause, but it certainly is making the situation worse.
I agree that mining certainly is a problem I'm sure but is there any research or something done on these prices? Like shortages in supplies and lack of resources plus everyone wanting to mine as well? Just curious because I see all sort of reasons for all the high prices.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/07 00:59:26
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It's likely NOT a cause, as most mining machines don't get build with very much RAM - and usually a LOT lower size of RAM than gamers or even most of the general public want. Consider that a common mining machine runs 6 GPUs on 2 sticks of RAM, commonly 8GB or at most 16GB and sometimes as low as 4GB - and often they "get by" with ONE stick of ram since cryptocoin mining doesn't tend to put much demand on the SYSTEM memory. Then consider that a typical gaming machine uses at least 2 and often 4 sticks of ram, commonly 16 GB OR MORE for a SINGLE or sometimes *2* GPUs. Which group are having the worse effect on system ram availability? GAMERS. BTW - GPU system building for cryptocoin mining seems to have dropped a LOT over the last couple months, stock and pricing on the top AMD RX series cards has recovered quite a lot and NVidia card pricing is almost back down to where it was in Febuary with VERY FEW availability issues any more. I'd be inclined to say that GAMERS are the reason RAM pricing has gone very very high the last month, since they can get cards now they're building LOTS MORE SYSTEMS than most of the last few months.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/07 04:05:37
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I'm not sure exactly what goes into mining machines but what about the memory used in those cards? I know it's a different type of RAM but not sure how that effects the prices of ddr4 and anything else. I assume a lot of mining machines use 1080 ti's or similar?
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/07 12:18:38
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Graphic cards use GDDR 5, GDDR 5x, or HBM 2 memory in current production cards. Add HBM 1 memory for the Fury and those 4 types are what have been used in almost all GPUs made in the last 5 years. Motherboards use DDR 3 or DDR 4 - which is not the same but it apparently is made on the same lines with swapout of the masks and not much else. FEW mining machines use GTX 1080ti or GTX 1080 cards - the bulk use AMD RX 470/480/570/580 (which is why those cards have been very short on supply and crazy-high priced for many months), some went to using NVidia GTX 1060/1070 for a while but most of THOSE were only bought because they got competative with the AMD cards for a while on cost/performance due to the price on the AMD cards getting way high. As of RIGHT NOW, the 1060 is still pretty competative but the 1070 no longer is on a price/performance basis. There are more GPUs used to mine Ethereum than all other GPU-mineable cryptocoins COMBINED, by probably a 2:1 ratio or close to that - and Ethereum is quite friendly to mine on the high-end AMD RX series on a cost/hash basis (when the cards are at or near MSRP) and more-or-less a tossup with the 1070 and 1060 on a hash/watt basis. The GDDR 5x in the GTX 1080 and 1080ti has higher latency than the GDDR5 used in the other "good" mining cards, which handicaps the hashrate on the 1080/1080ti a LOT - for perspective, the 1080 can ALMOST match a BIOS modded AMD RX470 4GB card but at MSRP is about 3 TIMES the price, while the 1080ti is 10-20% faster than a BIOS modded RX 480/580 8GB card but costs MORE than 3 times the price at MSRP. There are other cryptocoins that the high-end Nvidia cards ARE good at, and comparable on a price/performance basis at MSRP - ZCash would be the biggest - but those coins are a LOT smaller by any measure than Ethereum. I would estimate that the most common "mining rig" uses a fairly low-end Intel motherboard with at least 6 PCI-E slots (but most of those slots will be x1 slots), a low-end G-series Pentium, a pair of the lowest-cost 2GB or 4GB DDR4 ram sticks, whatever the cheapest SSD or hard drive or even USB KEY in the 30-60 GB size range is available, 6 GPUs on x1-x16 "USB-style" risers, and enough power supply to run everything (EVGA G2/P2 series is a popular choice as power supplies are one of the few areas a mining rig tends to NOT skimp on for reliability). It probably runs LINUX in some form, both for better reliability and much lower COST, and commonly will use a "free mining specific" distribution or Ubuntu.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/07 13:50:09
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QuintLeo Graphic cards use GDDR 5, GDDR 5x, or HBM 2 memory in current production cards. Add HBM 1 memory for the Fury and those 4 types are what have been used in almost all GPUs made in the last 5 years. Motherboards use DDR 3 or DDR 4 - which is not the same but it apparently is made on the same lines with swapout of the masks and not much else.
This is what I was thinking, that if the parts were not the same at least the way in which they were made or the machines were probably the same creating them and more time devoted to the more popular cards because of miners. Thanks for all the information I wasn't sure what mining rigs really used specifically just assumed higher end cards but apparently that's not the case! Thanks!
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/07 21:22:20
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Looks like the price increase is happening I just reserved one from a local store for $780 + tax I can't wait anymore, I just had to bite the bullet if these are going to be the prices.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/09 21:43:50
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Well that's not good. I do have my new card now though. Thank goodness.
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Re: NVIDIA Graphics Cards To See Price Increases Starting This Month Due To Memory Shortag
2017/09/12 18:58:31
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Odd, I just saw several prices DROP on NVidia cards - but they were GTX 1070 models so perhaps the "due to shortage gouge pricing" going away is making up for the cost of RAM increase.
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