kram36

Sorry nVidia didn't need Brad Hawthorne in their development and AMD allowed you inside for setup, but to nit pick like this is really unbecoming of you.

Brad_Hawthorne

kram36

Sorry nVidia didn't need Brad Hawthorne in their development and AMD allowed you inside for setup, but to nit pick like this is really unbecoming of you.

 
Are you sure you want to proceed down that path when posting here? Being blindly fanatical is not a shield for breach of forum guidelines. You're been asked previously to review the forum guidelines about personal attacks and I request that you review them again. 

The original topic is about the GTX580 and has nothing to do with me. I will kindly ask that you quit going personal in this thread. Especially when deliberately using inforation out of context to personally attack others. You have no clue what you're talking about in your statement.

You have actually earned something I've never done on this forums before, setting someone ignore. Now since the mods won't discourage you targeting nonsense my way, at least the forum filters will.

kram36

fusionssl

i can see the point of the high 400 series card owner's not looking at a upgrade to the 580, but for me im on the 285 2gb's and i could feel some 580 loving

There are lots of 480 owners that will switch to the 580 if the performance numbers rumored so far are true. I think some people are going to be able to pick up some 480's at a very nice price.

squall-leonhart

kaninja

squall-leonhart

Its not outside of spec, and it IS 150w. the specification is not clear on it but it is the case.

Hey man, don't mean to argue here.  This is one of those things where the info went sideways in the beginning when the new spec was first "released" and the misinformation has been spread for a few years now, even by many reputable review sites and techno gurus.

Fact is PCI spec isn't free like the ATX specification is.....so not as many people have access, and this is one area where PCISIG should step in and disclose everything in a free and open format so everyone knows what they are talking about.

The wording was messed up and easily misinterpreted but the fact remains that the PCI 2.0 Spec as set forth by PCISIG is in fact 75W for the PCI-E slot.

Look at page 39 here for the breakdown:http://www.pcisig.com/developers/mai...1aa04b52bc3fec

Edit:  Now I remember the wording that screwed most people up from the start: PCI Express x16 Graphics 150W-ATX Specification

A lot of folks took that to mean that the PCI-E slot power was increased to 150W.  Of course they would, that would be a logical assumption especially since unless you belonged to PCISIG or were a paying member you couldn't actually read the spec.  The spec basically said that you would power a 150W card by way of 75W being provided through the slot and another 75W being provided by the "new" 6-pin PCI-E connector.  The 150W slot myth has stuck ever since. 

err, no, like i said, the specification is not clear on it but the PCI-E 2.0 slot outputs up to 150w (per vendor implementation).

TEch3000

The thing is the 580 is gaining 10 percent on clock speed alone on the 480. So im going to wait for the website benchmarks to come out. And also see how this thing overclocks and how cool does it run.  Also I want to see sli performance vs. the 480 sli. 

kaninja

squall-leonhart

kaninja

squall-leonhart

Its not outside of spec, and it IS 150w. the specification is not clear on it but it is the case.

Hey man, don't mean to argue here.  This is one of those things where the info went sideways in the beginning when the new spec was first "released" and the misinformation has been spread for a few years now, even by many reputable review sites and techno gurus.

Fact is PCI spec isn't free like the ATX specification is.....so not as many people have access, and this is one area where PCISIG should step in and disclose everything in a free and open format so everyone knows what they are talking about.

The wording was messed up and easily misinterpreted but the fact remains that the PCI 2.0 Spec as set forth by PCISIG is in fact 75W for the PCI-E slot.

Look at page 39 here for the breakdown:http://www.pcisig.com/developers/mai...1aa04b52bc3fec

Edit:  Now I remember the wording that screwed most people up from the start: PCI Express x16 Graphics 150W-ATX Specification

A lot of folks took that to mean that the PCI-E slot power was increased to 150W.  Of course they would, that would be a logical assumption especially since unless you belonged to PCISIG or were a paying member you couldn't actually read the spec.  The spec basically said that you would power a 150W card by way of 75W being provided through the slot and another 75W being provided by the "new" 6-pin PCI-E connector.  The 150W slot myth has stuck ever since. 

err, no, like i said, the specification is not clear on it but the PCI-E 2.0 slot outputs up to 150w (per vendor implementation).

I know what you said.  I'm just saying you are wrong.  Until I was corrected by an actual PCISIG member about a year ago I too thought it was 150W through the slot.  Click on the link and read page 39.....it is actually quite clear that it's only 75W through the slot.
http://www.pcisig.com/developers/mai...1aa04b52bc3fec

You can beleive what you want, but all the documentation from PCISIG states 75W.

If it was 150W the high power card spec would be 300/375W, but it is in fact 225W/300W as only 75W is provided by the slot.