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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 14:15:43 (permalink)
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Thanks for the graphs, Texinga... very interesting.
If it's not too much work for you, could you make seperate graph for the Windows client and Nvidia Fermi GPU client?

Just to check what columns you wanted to see.  Were you wanting to see the "Active CPUs" column in the Windows client and "Active CPUs" column in the Fermi client?



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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 14:28:12 (permalink)
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Thanks for the graphs, Texinga... very interesting.
If it's not too much work for you, could you make seperate graph for the Windows client and Nvidia Fermi GPU client?

Just to check what columns you wanted to see.  Were you wanting to see the "Active CPUs" column in the Windows client and "Active CPUs" column in the Fermi client?



Yes, Texinga... I think those are the most interesting and thanks for doing this, it's very much appreciated.


 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 15:08:45 (permalink)
Ok, here ya go Dutch...
 
Windows Client:

 
Fermi Client: There was a large gap (missing data) in the Google sheet (until end of Feb 2013).




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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 19:12:27 (permalink)
AB Was Here... 

 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 19:46:36 (permalink)
well deserved BR for texinga putting the graphs together.
 
BR for zagen30 for linking the data info for texinga???



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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 20:09:18 (permalink)
Sometimes the best road is the one you didn't even see.  I love this community.
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 20:55:24 (permalink)
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The 2014 data is in a separate sheet ("Data 2014").



Ahhh...getting old and missed that.  In the Total CPUs graph, those extra days through 1-6-14 didn't offer much visual change other than continuing the falling slope a bit.
 
But on the Active Linux CPUs, updated December 1, 2013 through 1-6-14 chart (below), the difference of those extra days added more to the Linux CPU decline.  Here's a look at the chart with the first (6) days of this year added.  The delta now is 642 CPUs vs the 364 CPUs I'd charted before.  Interesting upward short-lived spike there on 1/5/14.
 



the spike is bucks folders doing their 2 wus and done :-P


 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/07 20:55:34 (permalink)
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Actually 220,854 as of this morning.  There has been a steady loss of over 4K machines since Thursday of last week.  Not a good sign.


220463 at the time I checked.  This is the beginning of the freefall.


219,000 on 01/07/2014 10:54 CST and dropping like a rock.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 00:05:57 (permalink)
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Actually 220,854 as of this morning.  There has been a steady loss of over 4K machines since Thursday of last week.  Not a good sign.


220463 at the time I checked.  This is the beginning of the freefall.


219,000 on 01/07/2014 10:54 CST and dropping like a rock.


218,735 1/8/2014 2AM CST.
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 03:59:09 (permalink)
Graph that Tex! 
 
Kidding!  Yeah it's depressing over there number wise.  Unfortunately the FF forum is littered with cheerleaders or people trying to position themselves to kiss some PG booty.  Oh well... Like I said I'm done folding this month and switch to WCG in a few days.  (Got a few more important projects to attend to first.)


 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 04:34:01 (permalink)
Thanks for the BR AB...it was good to see what some of the data suggests, especially with the Linux boxen.  I do see an up-tic just this morning in the Active Linux CPUs that indicates 139 CPUs to the upside.  While Total Active CPUs are still declining by a couple grand today, Total Active GPUs are doing OK and are in their typical winter-heating mode!  If I were a betting man, think I'd put my money on the GPUs at this stage for Folding.  Funny, that has always been the stronger part of this Folding Team anyway.  Maybe after the angst of hoping PG engages donors dissolves and Bigadv finds its ultimate spot (whatever that becomes), things will heal.  I really do hope so for the project. 
 

 
 



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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 04:47:19 (permalink)
well i just took mine off line this morning after my last work unit. I can use the electricity savings especially with my medications costing 185 a day x 365.
 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 05:04:11 (permalink)
Jini, that kind of drug cost to people makes me so angry with our pharma system and the associated cost for people just trying to treat their disease.  I first thought that maybe you meant per-month, but then Googled MS drugs to find the enormous drug cost faced by people afflicted with MS.  I had no idea!  I'd be shutting off the Folding rigs too for sure.  I'm so sorry to hear about that situation for you.  We care about you whether you can Fold or not.    Keeping you in my prayers kiddo!



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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 05:27:18 (permalink)
I'm probably stating the obvious, but one should always be careful with day-to-day (or even week-to-week) trends.  Many times what looks like a trend in the short-term ends up being "noise" in the long run.
 
All-in-all though some nice analysis going on here and a well deserved BR.  You guys never cease to amaze me!
post edited by planetclown - 2014/01/08 05:29:29

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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 05:46:13 (permalink)
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I'm probably stating the obvious, but one should always be careful with day-to-day (or even week-to-week) trends.  Many times what looks like a trend in the short-term ends up being "noise" in the long run.
 
All-in-all though some nice analysis going on here and a well deserved BR.  You guys never cease to amaze me!



You are right PC.  Looking longer term (back to Nov 2012), one could say that Active CPUs are still in an overall uptrend.  Looking shorter term (the last 6mos) they are in a definite downtrend.  GPUs, long term in an uptrend and short term kinda flat.  Trying to predict future Folding behavior/participation is not easy because there are so many variables that are involved that affect these numbers.



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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 05:49:25 (permalink)
The reality is simple. If it takes 50 days for a system to be inactive... It will be 90 days we need to look at in order to see an honest trend. Let's not forget the holidays and all. Some may have pulled back... Some may not have power or know their bill will be through the roof as they try to stay warm in this Country wide freeze...
 
All I am saying is this... Let's just keep are noses clean, systems running (Folding or Crunching) the best we can as individuals and help those in far more need than ourselves. As long as we do that, who cares what is happening around us?! If I was in it for points, I would have shut down long ago...
 
If truth was to be told. My heart is in Crunching because I have total control (Compared to folding) of what projects I want to help, the times I want to help and I do not need to build massive systems to help. That is just a friendlier environment for me. Simple as that. These changes made the struggles I have had, wanting to help fold, well simply less stressful when I decided I had contributed all I was wanting to at this point. No different than another Crunching project. I do not run them all at the same time. I run what I want when I want for various reasons.

 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 06:29:06 (permalink)
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I'll get back to folding when the urge hits me. Just follow your hearts and don't be a points prisoner. (Unless there's a competition of course)


 

 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 08:04:22 (permalink)
Eh... I ain't quit I've slowed down.  WCG I like... Folding well it's getting to me so time to take a vacay.  Meanwhile, there's the March Madness coming up and I'm good with that.  I'll be part of the effort for sure, I just want to get some WCG creds under my belt.
 
I've been busy designing stuff for the folding team, crunching team, my business, another business and a few other projects.  It's been interesting.
 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 17:03:10 (permalink)
*Bites tongue* *Chooses High Road* *Drops the mic*

 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 17:07:46 (permalink)
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*Bites tongue* *Chooses High Road* *Drops the mic*


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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 17:20:13 (permalink)
I'll take the low road and you take the high road... and I'll go 'blech' before ye! 
 
Truth is it's what we have been saying for years.  However, PG hasn't listened.  Now they are worried as the returns of their folding survey from last year pointed out some serious problems.  They've noticed it.
 
I'll leave personal comments about people out of it but ya know... if PG gets it's act together it might be fun again. 
 
If....
 
 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 17:23:22 (permalink)
Oh regardless... Troy is looking (I think unofficially) at the March Madness Contest again.  I'd be in as I said.  Not for PG but for the team and the spirit of competition we all enjoy.  That I love.  I'd do the same if we did a April contest for BOINC under some guise like Easter Bunny Droppings... (Ummm.. is that okay Mr. Moderator? 
 
And I'd do it because we are a team.  Not because of PG, WCG or LMNOP... but because we like to compete.
 
 


 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 20:27:41 (permalink)
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Actually 220,854 as of this morning.  There has been a steady loss of over 4K machines since Thursday of last week.  Not a good sign.


220463 at the time I checked.  This is the beginning of the freefall.


219,000 on 01/07/2014 10:54 CST and dropping like a rock.


218,735 1/8/2014 2AM CST.


214,868 01/08/2014 10:25 PM CST not taking 50 days. Something is going on here. Do they count each core as a pc?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/08 22:16:06 (permalink)
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Actually 220,854 as of this morning.  There has been a steady loss of over 4K machines since Thursday of last week.  Not a good sign.


220463 at the time I checked.  This is the beginning of the freefall.


219,000 on 01/07/2014 10:54 CST and dropping like a rock.


218,735 1/8/2014 2AM CST.


214,868 01/08/2014 10:25 PM CST not taking 50 days. Something is going on here. Do they count each core as a pc?


My understanding is each gpu counts as 1 gpu so if your got 3 in your computer that is 3 gps"s and a cpu=4.Like me turning off my  2 folding computers = 6.That is 4 gpu's + 2 cpu's.But you can change your core count around and rune like 6 cores + 6 cores on a 12 core cpu I think that would count as 2 cpu"s but not sure on that one.But all the above only works for client v7,V6 and before count your computer as 1 makes no difference how many gpu's + cpu its still only 1.Or at least if I read what I was reading right.
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 04:47:04 (permalink)
Each v6 client software running counts as 1 v7 each slots running in v7 counts as 1 weather its CPU or GPU.
Lets say you run v7 client with 2 slots for a day CPU+GPU and finish work and return that work that counts as 2
but then you decide you rather run v6 1 client for each CPU+GPU this also counts as 2 but now if you check
your fah stats it'll show you have 4 clients running for the next 50 days or 4 within the last 7 days even tho you only had 2 pieces of hardware running.
Every time you delete say a v6 setup completely and remake that setup new it also make a new count because it now produces a new ID for that new setup.
Not sure if it works the same with v7, but I'm pretty sure it does. So the stats have always been way over as to what is really being ran with this program.
 
My clients stats may say I'm running 50 different clients or pieces of hardware folding when I'm only running 8, I know because I seen mine that high
because of so many different changes I have made in one months time or crashes and new setup made they can multiply quickly.
Here it still says I have 21 active clients within 50 days and that count was much higher I can insure you I have never had 21 client running at once.
Shows 18 for team EVGA this number was 50 not to long ago. So the stats you see are way below what they peer to be because I'm sure I'm not the
only one that have higher active client count than what they are really running because of muti setup fails and other things like hardware failure or just
playing around with the different client setups.
 
This system is very flawed with its long standing count of active clients to cover up the real amount of folding power there is.
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 07:32:37 (permalink)
http://folding.stanford.edu/home/ this link shows one amount and the blog link shows a lesser amount http://folding.stanford.edu/home/blog ? Either way they are losing donors by the thousands. I am sure a lot has to do with server issues (stats down now). Not a good start for the New Year.
Edit: two sites now agree 201,079. Just took it's time to update
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 08:16:27 (permalink)
If the 50 day limit is correct (in other words it takes 50 days for a cpu to cease being registered as an active machine) is correct then the lack of work won't reflect at all in the stats. 
 
This is all still roughly fallout from the November time frame and as AB and others have pointed out we won't really see the effect of PG's decision until mid Feburary.
 
I'm sure the decline will continue and then level off for a bit.  Once the decision to eliminate all the 24 C machines takes place (and I have no doubt it will) few folks will be willing to fold SMP (unless a points change is made) due to the perception of less Points per Watt.
 
If no change in SMP points are made then of course all bets are off, large chickens will open a Kentucky Fried Colonel franchise and cows will fly.
 
 


 
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 08:53:46 (permalink)
I think their response to this is turning off GPU folding in full.  CPU folding still going on at micron levels of points.  Time to turn it off.
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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 10:33:45 (permalink)
texinga
Jini, that kind of drug cost to people makes me so angry with our pharma system and the associated cost for people just trying to treat their disease.  I first thought that maybe you meant per-month, but then Googled MS drugs to find the enormous drug cost faced by people afflicted with MS.  I had no idea!  I'd be shutting off the Folding rigs too for sure.  I'm so sorry to hear about that situation for you.  We care about you whether you can Fold or not.    Keeping you in my prayers kiddo!




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Re: Major bigadv change (death of the ankle biters) 2014/01/09 11:07:29 (permalink)
^^^ Truly hope everything works out.



 
 
                 
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