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 The device will supposedly use what MSI calls military-class components, most likely special capacitors and a solid state choke... MSI usually uses its military class components when it wants to increase the stability and reliability of its products. Also, in most cases, this design allows for the safer use of the MSI Afterburner overclocking utility. In this card's case, even though the GF100 will likely be hot enough on its own, the card's performance will supposedly be able to increase by 15% when using the software.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/MSI-Readies-a-GTX-480-of-Its-Own-138320.shtml
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:08:29
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Interesting post. It's interesting to see how companies are targeting their markets when you look at the ASUS and MSI boxes.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:11:09
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MSI usually builds quality stuff.... I just didn't like the warranties.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:12:19
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msi 15% performance boost vs 50% boost with asus :)
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:13:47
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Interesting post. It's interesting to see how companies are targeting their markets when you look at the ASUS and MSI boxes.
Yea, I seriously think that its gonna be a battle royal for the ages come the 26th.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:16:19
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Doesn't EVGA historically use solid state capacitors, vrms, etc. in their cards like their mobos? Or am I wrong? The "military" grade seems gimicky to me, along with the ASUS 50% statement...
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:20:17
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Doesn't EVGA historically use solid state capacitors, vrms, etc. in their cards like their mobos? Or am I wrong? The "military" grade seems gimicky to me, along with the ASUS 50% statement...
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:21:44
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MSI just lost me as a customer with the 5870 lightning ... they showed off hand picked samples for months and then when they were released the were utter crap ... at least the ones I and several of my teammates got.
Dont believe the hype from MSI is what my point is sorry for venting lol
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:29:28
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"Military grade" is just marketing.
However, better quality hardware is always a good thing.
I'm not an expert on this stuff. Is "solid state chokes" another way of saying "ferrite chokes"?
As for the solid caps, I think that will be standard on these cards.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:32:51
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MSI just lost me as a customer with the 5870 lightning ... they showed off hand picked samples for months and then when they were released the were utter crap ... at least the ones I and several of my teammates got.
Dont believe the hype from MSI is what my point is sorry for venting lol
Damn, that's a card I was considering. I wasn't sure about the $500 price though. They don't overclock significantly better? Anyway, I'm not trying to push MSI, just posting info. I lean towards EVGA for Nvidia cards, as their customer support has been good to me in the past.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:46:06
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Dentlord
MSI just lost me as a customer with the 5870 lightning ... they showed off hand picked samples for months and then when they were released the were utter crap ... at least the ones I and several of my teammates got.
Dont believe the hype from MSI is what my point is sorry for venting lol
Damn, that's a card I was considering. I wasn't sure about the $500 price though. They don't overclock significantly better?
Anyway, I'm not trying to push MSI, just posting info.
I lean towards EVGA for Nvidia cards, as their customer support has been good to me in the past.
I don't want to threadjack this into an ATI discussion, but I know of 3 plus myself who RMA'd their lightnings within a few days. NOT worth the extra $$ More on topic, I will definitely be getting EVGA for fermi, I would have gone EVGA for the 5xxx cards if they made one ;)
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:46:16
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Military grade "hardware" that is a big LOL to me. Why you ask, well the computers we have at work are old Pentium 4's with 1 gig of RAM. Also the military in it's infinite wisdom thought it would be a good idea to install Vista on those things.... Not to mention all the crap that they require for the system to be "secure", you pretty much have to wait about 20 minutes for any of the computers at work to log on......  
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 12:47:01
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Still wondering how much these things will actually cost come the 26th. if they're 500 or less I'm down.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 13:00:45
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Military grade "hardware" that is a big LOL to me. Why you ask, well the computers we have at work are old Pentium 4's with 1 gig of RAM. Also the military in it's infinite wisdom thought it would be a good idea to install Vista on those things.... Not to mention all the crap that they require for the system to be "secure", you pretty much have to wait about 20 minutes for any of the computers at work to log on......
Yeah I was wondering about that too.lol When I was in the army,they didnt have any tech that was made in the same decade While I was in there.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 13:13:03
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micah_675
Military grade "hardware" that is a big LOL to me. Why you ask, well the computers we have at work are old Pentium 4's with 1 gig of RAM. Also the military in it's infinite wisdom thought it would be a good idea to install Vista on those things.... Not to mention all the crap that they require for the system to be "secure", you pretty much have to wait about 20 minutes for any of the computers at work to log on......
Yeah I was wondering about that too.lol
When I was in the army,they didnt have any tech that was made in the same decade that I was in there.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 13:22:58
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micah_675
Military grade "hardware" that is a big LOL to me. Why you ask, well the computers we have at work are old Pentium 4's with 1 gig of RAM. Also the military in it's infinite wisdom thought it would be a good idea to install Vista on those things.... Not to mention all the crap that they require for the system to be "secure", you pretty much have to wait about 20 minutes for any of the computers at work to log on......
Yeah I was wondering about that too.lol
When I was in the army,they didnt have any tech that was made in the same decade that I was in there.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 14:09:39
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I use MSI quite extensively, and have never had any problems or RMA's with their high end "military hardware" products. When I was securing my old BFG GTX 280's (SLI) from Newegg, I had to go through 4 RMA's just to get cards that weren't scratched up or stickers improperly applied. My current MSI 285's (SLI) arrived in flawless condition. However, EVGA customer support and forums are superior.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 18:00:51
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I'm not an expert on this stuff. Is "solid state chokes" another way of saying "ferrite chokes"?
"Solid state chokes" are inductors where the coiled copper is not free to move or vibrate, but it is fixed with epoxy or other solid agent. Since the coil is fixed, they are much less noisy than usual inductors, they are more durable and accept higher currents. It is easy to check if your hardware uses the cheap, non solid-state inductors: Just start folding. If you can hear a very high-pitched noise, then your inductors are not solid-state. With my EVGA GTX275, I know when it finishes a WU because the noise suddenly dissapears. (It must sound also while gaming, but my games are noisy enough to cover it)  steve0
"Military grade" is just marketing.
It is more than marketing, since it is verifiable and has some advantages... To verify if the critical electronics are military grade, just read the chip's markings and check the datasheets. For example, the datasheet of TL071 from Texas Instruments says: Texas Instruments
"The C-suffix devices are characterized for operation from 0°C to 70°C. The I-suffix devices are characterized for operation from –40°C to 85°C. The M-suffix devices are characterized for operation over the full military temperature range of –55°C to 125°C."
So if your chip is marked "TL071MJG" you know it is a ceramic DIP (JG) military grade (M), and it will perform as expected at extreme temperatures, while the cheap "TL071CP" is a plastic DIP (P) consumer grade (C) unit, and will behave while playing solitaire, but may surprise you when playing Tomb Raider Underworld on her full gorgeous polygonal richness...
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 20:03:27
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steve0
I'm not an expert on this stuff. Is "solid state chokes" another way of saying "ferrite chokes"?
"Solid state chokes" are inductors where the coiled copper is not free to move or vibrate, but it is fixed with epoxy or other solid agent. Since the coil is fixed, they are much less noisy than usual inductors, they are more durable and accept higher currents.
It is easy to check if your hardware uses the cheap, non solid-state inductors: Just start folding. If you can hear a very high-pitched noise, then your inductors are not solid-state. With my EVGA GTX275, I know when it finishes a WU because the noise suddenly dissapears. (It must sound also while gaming, but my games are noisy enough to cover it)
steve0
"Military grade" is just marketing.
It is more than marketing, since it is verifiable and has some advantages... To verify if the critical electronics are military grade, just read the chip's markings and check the datasheets. For example, the datasheet of TL071 from Texas Instruments says:
Texas Instruments
"The C-suffix devices are characterized for operation from 0°C to 70°C. The I-suffix devices are characterized for operation from –40°C to 85°C. The M-suffix devices are characterized for operation over the full military temperature range of –55°C to 125°C."
So if your chip is marked "TL071MJG" you know it is a ceramic DIP (JG) military grade (M), and it will perform as expected at extreme temperatures, while the cheap "TL071CP" is a plastic DIP (P) consumer grade (C) unit, and will behave while playing solitaire, but may surprise you when playing Tomb Raider Underworld on her full gorgeous polygonal richness...
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 20:09:30
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Yes military grade usually has higher and lower temp ranges than consumer grade.
Also may have sheilding and heavier connections. Other differences may include better heatsinks higher capacity for power surge protections.
Military issue equipment may be slightly behind the curve on some things but how many consumer grade items will you trust after they have been airdropped in out of a cargo plane.
There is also a difference on how Military grade items are put together also such as heavier solder different connections.
They have a lot of higher requirements than consumer grade equipement.
Of course that doesn't mean a lot if they just state they are using the components at mil grade.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 21:53:43
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MSI just lost me as a customer with the 5870 lightning ... they showed off hand picked samples for months and then when they were released the were utter crap ... at least the ones I and several of my teammates got.
Dont believe the hype from MSI is what my point is sorry for venting lol
+1 I know MSI has a nice motherboard out right now with their 1366 Eclipse SLI but I have been burned by their products and support several times in the past and as a result try and stay away no matter how many good reviews one of their products gets. I have had defective products from just about every major player in the computer industry over the past 20 years and that's fine because with this type of equipment a certain failure rate is expected. What sets companies apart and what keeps my business is the companies that deal with the faulty product in a quick and professional manor. This is why one of the companies I routinely keep coming back to and spending money with is EVGA :)
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
2010/03/24 22:39:35
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Doesn't EVGA historically use solid state capacitors, vrms, etc. in their cards like their mobos? Or am I wrong? The "military" grade seems gimicky to me, along with the ASUS 50% statement...
Yes, typically.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
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Doesn't EVGA historically use solid state capacitors, vrms, etc. in their cards like their mobos? Or am I wrong? The "military" grade seems gimicky to me, along with the ASUS 50% statement...
Yes, typically.
Unless your speaking of Fermi, which draws its power from a gathering of large rocks placed in a circle somewhere in england.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
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I've got a pair of MSI "military grade" GTX 295's and I have to say, they don't overclock all that well. To be fair, I've never heard a squeal or buzz from 'em either.
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Re:MSI 480 GTX
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Doesn't EVGA historically use solid state capacitors, vrms, etc. in their cards like their mobos? Or am I wrong? The "military" grade seems gimicky to me, along with the ASUS 50% statement...
Yes, typically.
Unless your speaking of Fermi, which draws its power from a gathering of large rocks placed in a circle somewhere in england.
Oh dear I hope your wrong, as I live just up the road a few miles, I don't want all my power lost to your new 480's on Friday night (if anyone gets there lucky hands on one that is :) those rock can only power so many of us
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