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2021/09/03 16:45:32 (permalink)
Hello,

I have some serious problems with gaming performance of RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra. First of all, I provide my computer specs :

Processor : AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

Motherboard : ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming ( BIOS version : 4002)

Memory : 32 Gb G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 MHZ CL16 (4 x 8gb)

Graphics card : EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA

Power supply : Corsair HX850

Everything except the graphics card has been used since January - February 2021.

Problem description : While testing gaming performance of freshly installed GPU (on July 23rd), I noticed that its usage is abnormally low. In fact, I am unable to reach a “healthy” 99% GPU usage. I thought that it was due to bad optimization of some titles, but it appears it’s not the case.

How it appears in games :

For example, let’s evaluate the hardware behavior in Cyberpunk 2077. Let’s assume that in location “X” I have 70 FPS at 1440p on Ultra preset with DLSS “Quality”. The GPU usage stays around ~85%. That’s a terrible disappointment. After seeing multiple YouTube videos recorded on same hardware with usage at constant 99% - I became concerned about the situation. After lowering the settings or changing DLSS to “Balanced” preset - I still have the same 70 FPS, but with GPU usage of 70%. Lowering the resolution to 1080p, setting DLSS to “Performance” - the GPU usage drops down to 50% or even 40% and the FPS remains at 70. For sure, V-sync and Frame Limiters were disabled in every program possible. I revealed that the only way to experience full GPU usage (99%) is to max out everything and run the game in native resolution or limit the TDP to 40% so GPU clocks remain under 1000mhz. CPU usage remains pretty identical in each case. From what I can tell, it seems like the GPU can utilize its full potential only in obvious “GPU bound” scenario.

Next, GTA V. Even though EVGA support team told me it’s ridiculous to test “modern hardware” on 8 year old game, I decided to do it anyway. I have already experienced this game on a gaming laptop and its GPU usage was at 99% no matter what. Now, with even more advanced hardware, I encounter the same problems as in Cyberpunk 2077. 1440P, Max preset, MSAA X8 - gpu usage above 95%, three digit value fps. Slight graphics quality reduction - the GPU usage drops progressively and the performance sees no improvement.

Okay, to finalize - Need For Speed : Heat. Again, I already knew that normally this game runs well and shouldn’t be a cause of a concern. Unfortunately, the performance I’ve seen was among the worst. On Ultra settings, GPU usage stays around ~75% and even falls down to ~50%.

It’s useless to talk about other games I tested because it’s always the same issue I encounter - sometimes in better or worse form.

What I did afterwards :

I was blaming the GPU and was almost sure that it’s defective. The card performed perfectly in 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark, with constant load of 98-99%. Without serious preparation, I managed to achieve an excellent score :

EVGA customer support tried to help me in various ways, but nothing worked. I even bought a 1000W PSU and tried to run the PC while using it instead of my 850W model. No improvement. After more than 2 weeks of discussions, they told that the GPU is probably underpowered and can be replaced. So, I sent it and received a new one 2 days ago. Yesterday, I installed the replacement card. After installation and test, I notice that nothing changed ! It means that the previous GPU was intact and the whole RMA procedure was pointless.

In general, what did I do while trying to solve the issue ? Here is the list :

1. Changed every possible power setting to high performance in Nvidia Control Panel and Windows 10.

2. Reverted the GPU to stock settings.

3. Overclocked the CPU to an all-core 4.7 Ghz instead of basic PBO.

4. Disabled D.O.C.P (XMP) memory profile.

5. Performed a clean GPU driver installation.

6. After learning about multiple complaints about ASUS software, I deleted ASUS AI Suite III. To delete its every trace, I also cleaned the registry and reinstalled Windows with Media Creation Tool.

7. Deleted all remaining programs in relation wit ASUS (with register cleanup). Performed data backup and reinstalled Windows again with data wipeout.

8. Refused to install Geforce Experience again.

9. Enabled hardware accelerated GPU scheduling.

10. In BIOS, forced PCIE 4.0 configuration for each motherboard slot (instead of Auto).

11. Updated vBIOS to the latest version.

12. Tried 1000W PSU instead of 850W model.

13. Replaced the GPU.

Nothing of what I mentioned above was helpful to fix the issue.

I have no more idea what can be the cause of this nightmare. I already spent more than a month trying to figure out the solution.

I would be thankful for any advice.

Thank you for understanding.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 17:30:12 (permalink)
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    It’s useless to talk about other games I tested because it’s always the same issue I encounter - sometimes in better or worse form.

    What I did afterwards :

    I was blaming the GPU and was almost sure that it’s defective. The card performed perfectly in 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark, with constant load of 98-99%. Without serious preparation, I managed to achieve an excellent score


    Quoted the relevant parts of your post. The games you are testing with are indeed ridiculous, and it would not at all be "useless" to cite relevant examples. Because you haven't done that yet.

    It sounds like the only thing wrong is your expectations.


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:16:12 (permalink)
    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:20:13 (permalink)
    My guy, resolution is EVERYTHING. The 3080ti is a top tier gaming card. Anything under 1440p it will devour without breaking a sweat. I play some games at 4k and cap my frames at 144 and sometimes I only get 60% usage.

    Two thing are happening. Either you have vsync on which caps the framerate and that translates to capping gpu usage OR you're simply playing at too low of a resolution. Get a 4k monitor and I promise you'll be hitting 99% utilization in most games.

    Also you may not think you have vysnc on but it might be enabled in the GeForce experience or in the Nvidia control panel. But resolution is way more demanding than any graphic setting .
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:26:56 (permalink)
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    My guy, resolution is EVERYTHING. The 3080ti is a top tier gaming card. Anything under 1440p it will devour without breaking a sweat. I play some games at 4k and cap my frames at 144 and sometimes I only get 60% usage.

    Two thing are happening. Either you have vsync on which caps the framerate and that translates to capping gpu usage OR you're simply playing at too low of a resolution. Get a 4k monitor and I promise you'll be hitting 99% utilization in most games.

    Also you may not think you have vysnc on but it might be enabled in the GeForce experience or in the Nvidia control panel. But resolution is way more demanding than any graphic setting .



    You're absolutely right about lower resolution but 1440p - even if it's just 2560x1440 - Ultra and DLSS to "quality" on Cyberpunk maxing at 85% doesn't seem right to me. On the other hand I will say I'm not on 2560x1440 so I could be totally wrong.
     
    Not sure how I forgot to ask this of the OP: have you run a benchmark? Try 3DMark, Heaven, Superposition or whatever. What's the usage on those?


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:42:38 (permalink)
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    It’s useless to talk about other games I tested because it’s always the same issue I encounter - sometimes in better or worse form.

    What I did afterwards :

    I was blaming the GPU and was almost sure that it’s defective. The card performed perfectly in 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark, with constant load of 98-99%. Without serious preparation, I managed to achieve an excellent score


    Quoted the relevant parts of your post. The games you are testing with are indeed ridiculous, and it would not at all be "useless" to cite relevant examples. Because you haven't done that yet.

    It sounds like the only thing wrong is your expectations.


    Ok... You mean that I should have mentioned more observations ? Ok, please take a look at 4 other titles : Watch Dogs : Legion (usage tops at 80%), Snowrunner (usage tops at 70%), Doom Eternal (usage tops at 90%), Resident Evil 2 (usage tops around 90%). Is it relevant to discuss anything else if I already gave 7 identical examples ? :) By the way, I had a constant 99% usage in 3D Mark, scored 19909 points after tweaking some settings.

    As for my expectations, I don’t think that it’s normal for a USD 1750$ graphics card (MSRP in Canada) to perform worse than a fully loaded USD 800$ RTX 3070 in 1440p resolution.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:47:47 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:51:35 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 18:59:03 (permalink)
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    My guy, resolution is EVERYTHING. The 3080ti is a top tier gaming card. Anything under 1440p it will devour without breaking a sweat. I play some games at 4k and cap my frames at 144 and sometimes I only get 60% usage.

    Two thing are happening. Either you have vsync on which caps the framerate and that translates to capping gpu usage OR you're simply playing at too low of a resolution. Get a 4k monitor and I promise you'll be hitting 99% utilization in most games.

    Also you may not think you have vysnc on but it might be enabled in the GeForce experience or in the Nvidia control panel. But resolution is way more demanding than any graphic setting .


    As for the V-sync and frame limiters, I am sure that they are disabled. For sure, in 4K the usage will be at 99% no matter what. However, I doubt if there is really no game that can fully utilize RTX 3080 Ti. Just take a look at some “benchmark” videos on Youtube. Dozens of folks have a stable usage in 1440p, no matter the graphics preset. Even while using the RTX 3090. I assume that if RTX 3080 Ti loaded at half performs worse in 1440p than a considerably cheaper 3070 - something is not right.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:00:54 (permalink)
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    It’s useless to talk about other games I tested because it’s always the same issue I encounter - sometimes in better or worse form.

    What I did afterwards :

    I was blaming the GPU and was almost sure that it’s defective. The card performed perfectly in 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark, with constant load of 98-99%. Without serious preparation, I managed to achieve an excellent score


    Quoted the relevant parts of your post. The games you are testing with are indeed ridiculous, and it would not at all be "useless" to cite relevant examples. Because you haven't done that yet.

    It sounds like the only thing wrong is your expectations.


    Ok... You mean that I should have mentioned more observations ? Ok, please take a look at 4 other titles : Watch Dogs : Legion (usage tops at 80%), Snowrunner (usage tops at 70%), Doom Eternal (usage tops at 90%), Resident Evil 2 (usage tops around 90%). Is it relevant to discuss anything else if I already gave 7 identical examples ? :) By the way, I had a constant 99% usage in 3D Mark, scored 19909 points after tweaking some settings.

    As for my expectations, I don’t think that it’s normal for a USD 1750$ graphics card (MSRP in Canada) to perform worse than a fully loaded USD 800$ RTX 3070 in 1440p resolution.


    What do you mean perform? If it was performing worse than a 3070 than you would be getting less frames. Are you saying your having low frames/stuttering? Or are you judging performance by gpu utilization?

    When playing cyberpunk and all these other games what is your fps?
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:03:50 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:11:18 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.
     
    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.
    post edited by GTXMan - 2021/09/03 19:13:15


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:14:14 (permalink)
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    It’s useless to talk about other games I tested because it’s always the same issue I encounter - sometimes in better or worse form.

    What I did afterwards :

    I was blaming the GPU and was almost sure that it’s defective. The card performed perfectly in 3D Mark Time Spy benchmark, with constant load of 98-99%. Without serious preparation, I managed to achieve an excellent score


    Quoted the relevant parts of your post. The games you are testing with are indeed ridiculous, and it would not at all be "useless" to cite relevant examples. Because you haven't done that yet.

    It sounds like the only thing wrong is your expectations.


    Ok... You mean that I should have mentioned more observations ? Ok, please take a look at 4 other titles : Watch Dogs : Legion (usage tops at 80%), Snowrunner (usage tops at 70%), Doom Eternal (usage tops at 90%), Resident Evil 2 (usage tops around 90%). Is it relevant to discuss anything else if I already gave 7 identical examples ? :) By the way, I had a constant 99% usage in 3D Mark, scored 19909 points after tweaking some settings.

    As for my expectations, I don’t think that it’s normal for a USD 1750$ graphics card (MSRP in Canada) to perform worse than a fully loaded USD 800$ RTX 3070 in 1440p resolution.


    What do you mean perform? If it was performing worse than a 3070 than you would be getting less frames. Are you saying your having low frames/stuttering? Or are you judging performance by gpu utilization?

    When playing cyberpunk and all these other games what is your fps?


    I wouldn’t pay attention to low gpu usage wouldn’t if the performance I have was adequate. For example, in Snowrunner, due to ~50% usage on Ultra settings, I have 40-50 fps. I don’t get anything if I reduce my settings. For instance, in Cyberpunk, the FPS stays around 70. Normally, you would decrease quality to obtain three digit frame rate. Instead, after lowering graphics quality, I only see a decrease in usage, same 70 FPS and image that looks like crap. :D
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:25:03 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.
     
    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:27:23 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.
     
    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Ah, I forgot to mention that I tried different vBIOS AND BIOS. The Nvidia drivers I use are always up to date.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:27:44 (permalink)
    Start blaming your CPU and bad system optimization - this is absolutely not a GPU issue!
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:36:05 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.
     
    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.



    19909 I assume is timeSpy? What's your graphics score? 


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:38:59 (permalink)
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    Start blaming your CPU and bad system optimization - this is absolutely not a GPU issue!


    Of course ! But, how can I tell that my CPU doesn’t work right ? For example, it scores around 21800-22000 pts in Cinebench R23 with PBO only and I was able to achieve 23956 pts with 4.7 Ghz overclock. I can try to RMA it, but what should I say to convince AMD tech support that my unit is faulty ? :) I already have the experience with the GPU, returned one and received another intact unit as a replacement.

    Is it possible that I may have some issues with RAM ? What can I do to test it ?

    After all, what another component in the system can cause such problems ?
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:42:27 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.

    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.



    19909 I assume is timeSpy? What's your graphics score? 


    Really sorry, forgot to precise. Yes, it’s in TimeSpy. My graphics score was 21 389.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:50:53 (permalink)
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    I wouldn’t pay attention to low gpu usage wouldn’t if the performance I have was adequate. For example, in Snowrunner, due to ~50% usage on Ultra settings, I have 40-50 fps. I don’t get anything if I reduce my settings. For instance, in Cyberpunk, the FPS stays around 70. Normally, you would decrease quality to obtain three digit frame rate. Instead, after lowering graphics quality, I only see a decrease in usage, same 70 FPS and image that looks like crap. :D


    What you describe there is the definition of being CPU bound.

    Post your Timespy score link for us to look at - it might be that your CPU or RAM isn't running well.
    post edited by arestavo - 2021/09/03 19:52:35
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 19:53:54 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 


    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.

    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.



    19909 I assume is timeSpy? What's your graphics score? 


    Really sorry, forgot to precise. Yes, it’s in TimeSpy. My graphics score was 21 389.



    Ok. So I think there are only two logical conclusions here:
     
    1. Your usage is - for whatever reason - not reading correctly across multiple monitors. 21389 graphics score is like in the top 1 or 2%. I know that because my watercooled 3080Ti FTW3 got a 21772 graphics score and it's in the top 1% - I did a comparison on 3DMark's website.
     
    2. You have one of the fastest 3080Tis in the world. At 85% usage you are still landing in the absolute top of graphics scores for all 3080Tis.
     
    The most likely scenario is the first. You are getting - at worst - normal performance and based on the numbers actually way-above-average performance on your card but with usage readings that don't appear accurate. I have no idea why but if I were you I wouldn't care. You have a solid card.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2021/09/03 20:05:50


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:05:34 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 




    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.

    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.



    19909 I assume is timeSpy? What's your graphics score? 


    Really sorry, forgot to precise. Yes, it’s in TimeSpy. My graphics score was 21 389.



    Ok. So I think there are only two logical conclusions here:
     
    1. Your usage is - for whatever reason - not reading correctly across multiple monitors. 21389 graphics score is like in the top 1 or 2%. I know that because my watercooled 3080Ti FTW3 got a 21772 graphics score and it's in the top 1% - I did a comparison on 3DMark's website.
     
    2. You have one of the fastest 3080Tis in the world. At 85% usage you are still landing in the absolute top of graphics scores for all 3080Tis.
     
    The most likely scenario is the first. You are getting - at worst - normal performance and based on the numbers actually way-above-average performance on your card but with usage readings that don't appear accurate. I have no idea why but if I were you I wouldn't care. You have a solid card.
     


    It was the previous unit that managed to score such results, I didn’t test the new one yet. Who knows, maybe it’s possible for monitors to report incorrect data. However, If you also have a 3080 Ti, let’s compare them. Do you have any gaming title in your possession ? If your performance isn’t better than mine - I really have nothing to worry about.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:09:09 (permalink)
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    I wouldn’t pay attention to low gpu usage wouldn’t if the performance I have was adequate. For example, in Snowrunner, due to ~50% usage on Ultra settings, I have 40-50 fps. I don’t get anything if I reduce my settings. For instance, in Cyberpunk, the FPS stays around 70. Normally, you would decrease quality to obtain three digit frame rate. Instead, after lowering graphics quality, I only see a decrease in usage, same 70 FPS and image that looks like crap. :D


    What you describe there is the definition of being CPU bound.

    Post your Timespy score link for us to look at - it might be that your CPU or RAM isn't running well.



    I already tried to post it in my initial message. It was removed by moderator. Trying again. Here it is : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21883335.

    That’s my previous video card, but it doesn’t matter as the new one experiences the same issue.
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:11:52 (permalink)
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    40% doesn't sound right for sure. What are you using to read the power? Also, did you confirm you're actually pulling that low of a percent in wattage? 




    Primarily, I used GPU-Z to monitor wattage as well as MSI Afterburner for usage. Just like the usage, the wattage is far from reaching the limit, usually remains around 300W (depending on the usage). I EVGA Precision X1 to determine that everything works correctly with TDP of 40% or below.



    Yeah that's not right at all. What are your max temps?


    I never managed to exceed ~75 C. That’s not a single card that’s faulty, my replacement unit behaves identically. :(



    Newest nVidia drivers? Newest motherboard firmware? And have you tried reverting to older vBIOS? I can't explain how two 80 Tis could be experiencing as low as 300w draw under stress. That would just be absurdly bad luck.

    If I were you I would strip this thing down to 1 RAM stick, unplug absolutely everything except mobo and GPU, reset BIOS/UEFI settings to default, maybe do a clean windows install for good measure and before anything else, install a game or benchmark and test. If same issue it has to be the card.


    Haha, so the 2nd card may be also defective ? I got 19909 points in 3D Mark with first one, it worked as intended. There is a certain problem with games that don’t want to utilize its potential. If the cards weren’t intact, they wouldn’t give me an excellent 3D Mark score right ? By the way, I already tried 2 different BIOS, reinstalled Windows 2 times too.



    19909 I assume is timeSpy? What's your graphics score? 


    Really sorry, forgot to precise. Yes, it’s in TimeSpy. My graphics score was 21 389.



    Ok. So I think there are only two logical conclusions here:
     
    1. Your usage is - for whatever reason - not reading correctly across multiple monitors. 21389 graphics score is like in the top 1 or 2%. I know that because my watercooled 3080Ti FTW3 got a 21772 graphics score and it's in the top 1% - I did a comparison on 3DMark's website.
     
    2. You have one of the fastest 3080Tis in the world. At 85% usage you are still landing in the absolute top of graphics scores for all 3080Tis.
     
    The most likely scenario is the first. You are getting - at worst - normal performance and based on the numbers actually way-above-average performance on your card but with usage readings that don't appear accurate. I have no idea why but if I were you I wouldn't care. You have a solid card.
     


    It was the previous unit that managed to score such results, I didn’t test the new one yet. Who knows, maybe it’s possible for monitors to report incorrect data. However, If you also have a 3080 Ti, let’s compare them. Do you have any gaming title in your possession ? If your performance isn’t better than mine - I really have nothing to worry about.



    I have every gaming title in my possession. Watch Dogs Legion, Days Gone, Cyberpunk 2077, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, RDR2, Resident Evil Village and many others.
     
    However, I'm on a 38" ultrawide monitor with 3840x1600 resolution and max settings, so I don't think we can compare nor do I think it matters. Again - if you got a 21389 graphics on TimeSpy, then your card is actually better then average. 
     
    If you want to continue troubleshooting then the only thing I can suggest is: 1 stick RAM, default BIOS settings, clean install Windows and run 3DMark before you do anything else. I just don't think it's necessary.
     
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    I wouldn’t pay attention to low gpu usage wouldn’t if the performance I have was adequate. For example, in Snowrunner, due to ~50% usage on Ultra settings, I have 40-50 fps. I don’t get anything if I reduce my settings. For instance, in Cyberpunk, the FPS stays around 70. Normally, you would decrease quality to obtain three digit frame rate. Instead, after lowering graphics quality, I only see a decrease in usage, same 70 FPS and image that looks like crap. :D


    What you describe there is the definition of being CPU bound.

    Post your Timespy score link for us to look at - it might be that your CPU or RAM isn't running well.



    I already tried to post it in my initial message. It was removed by moderator. Trying again. Here it is : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21883335.

    That’s my previous video card, but it doesn’t matter as the new one experiences the same issue.



    I just saw this. There's nothing wrong with your card except that somehow you are getting inaccurate usage. I'm not an expert enough to know whether this is a function of the card even though it seems like the logical conclusion but as I said earlier the only other option would be that you have a 3080Ti which is an absolute god and if you were to do whatever is needed to get it to 100% usage you would break records in every benchmark. The likelihood of that is basically zero.
    post edited by GTXMan - 2021/09/03 20:15:38


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:13:41 (permalink)
    Nothing was removed by any moderator. You didn’t have enough posts to include a link in your original post, so as spam countermeasure, the forum software blocked you from posting any links. If something is removed by a moderator, you will see a message “post edited by **** - xx minutes ago”

    You can see a great example where I edited your post and GTXMan’s posts because of vulgar language.

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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:14:54 (permalink)
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    I already tried to post it in my initial message. It was removed by moderator. Trying again. Here it is : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21883335.

    That’s my previous video card, but it doesn’t matter as the new one experiences the same issue.



    That was the 10 post limit deleting your links - you've got 12 now and can post links.
     
    Your CPU score looks fine to me - so I'd say that based on everything that you've said (again, you literally defined a CPU bottleneck), 1440P is just being limited by your CPU. Crank up the eye candy and move on (especially if you have a Gsync monitor).
    post edited by arestavo - 2021/09/03 20:15:58
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:15:27 (permalink)
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    Nothing was removed by any moderator. You didn’t have enough posts to include a link in your original post, so as spam countermeasure, the forum software blocked you from posting any links. If something is removed by a moderator, you will see a message “post edited by **** - xx minutes ago”

    You can see a great example where I edited your post and GTXMan’s posts because of vulgar language.


    Okay, thanks for letting me know !
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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:18:18 (permalink)
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    post edited by GTXMan - 2021/09/03 20:28:31


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:27:09 (permalink)
    One last thing because I somehow missed it again: you hit 2115Mhz and averaged 1997Mhz on core. It is impossible that you could hit those clocks if the low usage you've seen reported was accurate. Literally impossible. Nothing is wrong with your card at all.
     
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    I already tried to post it in my initial message. It was removed by moderator. Trying again. Here it is : https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21883335.

    That’s my previous video card, but it doesn’t matter as the new one experiences the same issue.



    That was the 10 post limit deleting your links - you've got 12 now and can post links.
     
    Your CPU score looks fine to me - so I'd say that based on everything that you've said (again, you literally defined a CPU bottleneck), 1440P is just being limited by your CPU. Crank up the eye candy and move on (especially if you have a Gsync monitor).




    A 5900X is not causing a bottleneck.
     
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    You can see a great example where I edited your post and GTXMan’s posts because of vulgar language.



    I'm just curious: who is directing this stringent of action against curse words which are literally self-censored? The "s word" is now frequent on cable television and you guys are censoring it on the internet? Seriously?


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    Re: Low RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 usage - terrible gaming performance 2021/09/03 20:28:18 (permalink)
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    One last thing because I somehow missed it again: you hit 2115Mhz and averaged 1997Mhz on core. It is impossible that you could hit those clocks if the low usage you've seen reported was accurate. Literally impossible. Nothing is wrong with your card at all.


    Indeed, you are totally right. Perhaps, i should turn off the monitors and enjoy everything as it is. Tomorrow, I will test the card I have right now. I will inform you about the results !

    Thank you very much for advices ! It’s very appreciated !
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