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Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 SC)

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2016/05/09 07:55:14 (permalink)
So I just got the EVGA GTX 960 SC (single-fan ITX model). I put it under some stress and to my horror it shoots up to 80C within a minute!

The fans are off until it reaches 60C, and to my surprise at 80C the fan tops out at 37%. My previous card, a GTX 750 SC, would have 40% fan level at just idle temps (!), and 59% when under max load, with temps never exceeding 75C.

My question is, did EVGA design the fan curve "wrongly" for this model? I have a feeling such a curve would work with the two-fan models, but 37% at 80C just seems low to me.

I have never ever tempered with the default fan curves before though, so I wish to come in here and ask those who know more regarding this matter.

In my position, what would you do? Is this product defective, is the issue with my case design, or is it due to the fan curve?
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 08:35:42 (permalink)
    Your fan speed is built into the video board's BIOS and can be changed by using a utility like MSI Afterburner: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
    I recommend Afterburner because PrecisionX is too buggy. Enable 'Custom Fan Profile' in settings and set your fan speed to increase as the temperatures get higher. You should be at your maximum fan speed around 70°C while keeping your fan speed around 30% at idle.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 08:40:16 (permalink)
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    Your fan speed is built into the video board's BIOS and can be changed by using a utility like MSI Afterburner: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
    I recommend Afterburner because PrecisionX is too buggy. Enable 'Custom Fan Profile' in settings and set your fan speed to increase as the temperatures get higher. You should be at your maximum fan speed around 70°C while keeping your fan speed around 30% at idle.




    I know those software can be used, but before I do that, I want to clear up one thing. Is 37% fan speed too low to handle 80C temps when under 100% load?
     
    Is this a case of "poor" fan curve design, or indicative of a faulty GPU, or indicative of terrible airflow in my casing?
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 08:47:32 (permalink)
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    I know those software can be used, but before I do that, I want to clear up one thing. Is 37% fan speed too low to handle 80C temps when under 100% load?
     
    Is this a case of "poor" fan curve design, or indicative of a faulty GPU, or indicative of terrible airflow in my casing?


    When the fan curve was calculated by nVidia they were more concerned about 'silent' operation and therefore keep the fans running at the minimum speed for stable operation while just barely keeping the temperatures below their maximum threshold. Their fan curve is fine for an office computer but not so much for someone who wants to do any gaming and is why we all enter our own fan curves using either PrecisionX or MSI Afterburner.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 10:09:28 (permalink)
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    Your fan speed is built into the video board's BIOS and can be changed by using a utility like MSI Afterburner: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
    I recommend Afterburner because PrecisionX is too buggy. Enable 'Custom Fan Profile' in settings and set your fan speed to increase as the temperatures get higher. You should be at your maximum fan speed around 70°C while keeping your fan speed around 30% at idle.




    I know those software can be used, but before I do that, I want to clear up one thing. Is 37% fan speed too low to handle 80C temps when under 100% load?
     
    Is this a case of "poor" fan curve design, or indicative of a faulty GPU, or indicative of terrible airflow in my casing?


    single-fan ITX model ? (02G-P4-2962-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SC GAMING)
    Take a Photo of your Computer Case with the Side Off and Post it here for users to review the Air Flow.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 10:42:52 (permalink)
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    Your fan speed is built into the video board's BIOS and can be changed by using a utility like MSI Afterburner: http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
    I recommend Afterburner because PrecisionX is too buggy. Enable 'Custom Fan Profile' in settings and set your fan speed to increase as the temperatures get higher. You should be at your maximum fan speed around 70°C while keeping your fan speed around 30% at idle.




    I know those software can be used, but before I do that, I want to clear up one thing. Is 37% fan speed too low to handle 80C temps when under 100% load?
     
    Is this a case of "poor" fan curve design, or indicative of a faulty GPU, or indicative of terrible airflow in my casing?


    single-fan ITX model ? (02G-P4-2962-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SC GAMING)
    Take a Photo of your Computer Case with the Side Off and Post it here for users to review the Air Flow.


    Mine is the 3962 model.

    Image of casing: http://m.imgur.com/6LEIkP9

    The cables are a mess, because there are so many of them from the B1 EVGA unit I just got. I'm not sure if this is contributing to weaker airflow.

    One thing I also realized is, with my 750 SC and older PSU, the case fan would top out at 1600RPM. Now though, it spins until 2100RPM. Some heat seems to get stuck in there.

    Any suggestions are welcome!
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 10:46:22 (permalink)
    Do you have a Case Fan on the Front of your Case?
    See if you can tuck some of the PSU Cables into the lower Drive Bay at the top right of your case.
    This will help with the Air Flow from the Front of your computer case.
    Do not allow cables to lay on top of the motherboard.

    Make sure that the Cable on the Bottom of the Case does not touch the GPU Fan, it looks really close to the fan intake area.
    You could also move the Hard Drive at the Bottom of the Case to the Top to allow more air flow for the GPU from the Front.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 10:57:57 (permalink)
    Are your Temps posted above with or without the Side Cover installed?

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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 11:56:52 (permalink)
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    Are your Temps posted above with or without the Side Cover installed?


    Without of course.

    Also, on the underside of the front of my PC, there is this: http://m.imgur.com/hXubbSm

    Would it help airflow at all if I exposed that part to the air?
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 12:00:34 (permalink)
    Raising your case up would help with airflow especially if it is sitting on a carpet. That is why mine is sitting up on wood blocks that I got from Amazon.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 13:03:11 (permalink)
    Wire management is definitely needed on this. Get rid of the wires which are clear you do not need. Do you have fans on the front of your case? Rear? I'm assuming you're PC is a smaller case since you purchased the smaller edition 960.

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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 14:45:30 (permalink)
    It's only too low if you don't like the fan running that low or the temps on the gpu running that high.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 22:46:51 (permalink)
    Ok guys, I think for whatever reason, the idle temps are just a bit higher. Either due to my New GPU, or new PSU, or the cables. I did try tidying up the cables a bit but it didn't help.

    Is there any simple suggestion I could do to improve airflow with this current setup?
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 22:56:46 (permalink)

     
    Lots of airflow. 
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 23:05:55 (permalink)
    Haha, I can only imagine the dust in that case!
     
    Anyway, I am posting my HW Monitor before/after idle temps.
     
    Before: http://imgur.com/yubBUFD (look at the MIN tab for my idle temp)
     
    After: http://imgur.com/I2lYXK5 (look at the VALUE tab for my idle temp)
     
    As can be seen, not much difference in my CPU temps or fan speed (FANIN1).
     
    Also, my motherboard temps are all similar values, except for TMPIN1 which is 4C higher. I believe TMPIN2 is a sensor for the CPU temps on the motherboard, because they both correlate.
     
    The TMPIN1 temperature seems to be the issue here, because it can get very much higher when under gaming load compared to before. Any idea what TMPIN1 could refer to? If I can find out what motherboard sensor is this, I could try finding a solution.
     
    Also, look at the FANIN2 value. From 1100RPM to 1500RPM. Why such a big jump? Can I regulate this in any way? (I think it is the case fan, this reaches 2100RPM when max load gaming, compared to 1600RPM with my 750 SC)
     
    All of this is new for me, so I would appreciate guidance from the more knowing members of this forum.
     
    post edited by himmatsj - 2016/05/09 23:18:53
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/09 23:15:22 (permalink)
    Wouldn't worry about it to be honest. All your temps are good. The 5C increase on the GPU is what is most likely causing the temp increase on TMPIN1.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 01:02:25 (permalink)
    How exactly can I make better cable management? Can I "cut off" the cables I am not (and will not) use? The cables are also thick and stiff, and are wrapped in some kind of a material. Could this material be an issue, and should it be removed?
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 02:39:10 (permalink)
    Ok guys, now I really need some confirmation.
     
    This guy is using a Dell Inspiron 660 as well. But out PSU positioning is opposite. Is his correct, or mine?
     
    Mine; http://i.imgur.com/6LEIkP9.jpg
     
    His: http://s28.postimg.org/hlytc57yl/DSC09226.jpg
     
     
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 05:33:29 (permalink)
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    Ok guys, now I really need some confirmation.
     
    This guy is using a Dell Inspiron 660 as well. But out PSU positioning is opposite. Is his correct, or mine?
     
    Mine; http://i.imgur.com/6LEIkP9.jpg
     
    His: http://s28.postimg.org/hlytc57yl/DSC09226.jpg
     
     


    You're both correct. His sticker is on upside down. His fan is also on the bottom like yours. You don't want to cut the wires off. Just coil them up and tuck them into that empty drive bay under your CD/ROM drive. That's why I recommended the fully modular power supply.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 06:33:43 (permalink)
    NVIDIA card vendors (EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.) are free to customize the VBIOS (including fan speed) of their cards to a certain extent within NVIDIA specifications/limitations.
     
    The VBIOS of your EVGA GTX 960 SC with an ACX 2.0 cooler will turn off the fan below 60C per EVGA's VBIOS..Some other card vendors with similar design GTX 960s, single-fan or otherwise with their own version of 'ACX Cooling' (WindForce, Frozr, DirectCU, whatever) do not turn off the fan/s below 60C, but run it/them in a low RPM mode and also will not reach 100% until a very high temperature (even beyond the throttling temperature) is reached..The NVIDIA specified maximum GPU temperature for a GTX 960 GPU chip is 98C.
     
    Fan speed curves will also vary between vendors, depending on the vendors VBIOS they've flashed it with..I assume that in this way, "Maximum Performance, Quiet Operation" or similar such marketing claims can be made.
     
    As everybody else stated above, your temps are fine but I don't like the fan speed curve on your 960 either, and left alone, that's just the way it is..As you know, you can use the software fan control in EVGA PrecisionX or MSI Afterburner to customize the speed/temp curve to your liking, so just use whichever one you want/works better..Otherwise you would need to modify the fan speed curve your card's VBIOS, which would void the warranty should you need to RMA and you don't/can't flash it back to the original.
     
    I'm not going to advocate or encourage you to modify/flash the VBIOS to a different RPM/fan speed curve (even though I've done it to my card) when you can easily use software control, but you can view what it is in Maxwell II BIOS Tweaker if you extract a copy of it with GPU-Z and then Drag 'n' Drop it in if you're really interested.
     
    As far as the PSU, I know the stickers were put on upside down on some/older units, but that's been rectified on newer units and yours is correct.
     

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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 12:23:43 (permalink)
    Ok, thanks for the responses guys.
     
    Regarding the fan curve, I tried something else with MSI afterburner, but the moment I close the app or turn off my PC, I have to manually launch the app again to get it to run at the fan settings. Kind of troublesome.
     
    Also, I got round to tidying up the cables. Is this better than before? http://i.imgur.com/o2ILKrh.jpg
     
     
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 13:03:42 (permalink)
    That cable management is much better. Excellent in fact. In Afterburner's settings, click the box to 'Start with Windows'. Afterburner needs to be running to control your fans. You can set a constant fan speed instead of a custom curve. Whatever works best for you as far as noise and temperatures are concerned.
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    Re: Is 37% fan level too low when under max load? (Hitting 80C limit with my new GTX 960 S 2016/05/10 14:28:18 (permalink)
    Something else you might consider, which may/may not help some, is replacing the TIM on the GPU chip with some decent quality non-conductive paste..Replacing the TIM is easy to do and won't void your warranty as long as you don't damage the card.

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