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So, I thought it just wasn't that great of a cooler, because of my high temps. I even changed out the thermal paste to some Noctua H2 stuff, but it only helped by a couple degrees C. This is what I was getting in a push/pull exhausting out of the top of my case.  It would even go up to 70, but mostly hover around 67 or 68 after a half hour of gaming. It would go up to 71 with the old stock paste. I switched the fans in the top of the case to a push/pull intake, and now the temps are crazy nice. This went against knowledge of physics, but it made sense that heat just doesn't rise that fast, so I figured I'd give it a try, even though it's pulling air from the top.  I don't know why I didn't try this before, but man, what a difference! These coolers are better than I originally gave them credit. My old 1080 hybrid I had in the same configuration, and the temps were solid. I know these cards are much harder to cool, so it makes sense in some aspects, but it still perplexed me that it was so much hotter. I'm just glad I solved the problem!
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Noctua H2 is a really poor TIM. MX-4 or TF8 or even TFX You cannot compare the Temperatures of the Older GTX Cards to the Newer RTX Cards. You are going to see anywhere from 12°C to 16°C or even 18°C Degrees Higher on the RTX Cards over the GTX Cards Stock.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 17:19:55
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Noctua H2 is a really poor TIM.
MX-4 or TF8 or even TFX
You cannot compare the Temperatures of the Older GTX Cards to the Newer RTX Cards.
You are going to see anywhere from 12°C to 16°C or even 18°C Degrees Higher on the RTX Cards over the GTX Cards Stock.
Doesn't matter if it's poor, it's still performing better than the stock paste.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 17:23:28
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Who uses Stock Paste  But OK. It could also be that you put the Hybrid Kit on better than the fist time. I run my Hybrids in a Push/Pull setup as well as my Hydro Coppers. Click on the iXC Button to show All the Temperatures and post them. I wonder what your MEM2 72°C & MEM3 79°C are after you used the NT-H2? This is your Before or with the Stock TIM
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:13:35
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67 C as exhaust --> because the heat inside of your PC case made an impact
58 C when you switched to intake --> because your room is probably cooler than inside your PC
The difference in TIM is not well demonstrated, because you switched where the radiator is getting its air from
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:20:07
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Hi JDauwalter,
Do you have any pictures of your case and setup by any chance?
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Who uses Stock Paste But OK.
It could also be that you put the Hybrid Kit on better than the fist time.
I run my Hybrids in a Push/Pull setup as well as my Hydro Coppers.
Click on the iXC Button to show All the Temperatures and post them.
I wonder what your MEM2 72°C & MEM3 79°C are after you used the NT-H2?
This is your Before or with the Stock TIM
That's the H2. The stock paste was a bit higher. And no, the kit was marginally higher with the stock, which likely means that the H2 is better than the stock paste. I checked the stock application, and it had full coverage. At any rate, it doesn't matter what it is, because turning the fans to be intake fixed the high temps.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:30:25
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67 C as exhaust --> because the heat inside of your PC case made an impact
58 C when you switched to intake --> because your room is probably cooler than inside your PC
The difference in TIM is not well demonstrated, because you switched where the radiator is getting its air from
Yes, I was originally worried about hot air in the case if I did that, but then I realized I was exhausting all of the cpu radiator heat.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:43:29
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Yes, I was originally worried about hot air in the case if I did that, but then I realized I was exhausting all of the cpu radiator heat.
Not to mention your top intake is next to your rear exhaust. By any chance, is there a filter up top? If so, you need to have it as intake otherwise you'll have to remove the filter to have it as exhaust. Also, if that's the same setup you had before, your previous exhaust setup was fighting with the rear fan so you weren't getting enough air going through that rad could be another reason why the temps were so high.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:53:24
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Yes, I was originally worried about hot air in the case if I did that, but then I realized I was exhausting all of the cpu radiator heat.
Not to mention your top intake is next to your rear exhaust.
By any chance, is there a filter up top? If so, you need to have it as intake otherwise you'll have to remove the filter to have it as exhaust.
Also, if that's the same setup you had before, your previous exhaust setup was fighting with the rear fan so you weren't getting enough air going through that rad could be another reason why the temps were so high.
Hmm, there is a filter up top, so that may have had some impact. I didn't even think about the back fan fighting the top fan, so that does make sense!
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/24 18:58:43
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Hmm, there is a filter up top, so that may have had some impact. I didn't even think about the back fan fighting the top fan, so that does make sense!
Your originally exhausted air was being circulated inside the case and some warm air would bounce off the filter and be recirculated as intake again, making things warmer until the rear would kick some out is my guess. Fans will fight against a filter but the point is to use it as intake and keep the dust out which you just did and not only that, fresh cooler air from the outside which is a win-win.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 06:48:58
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JDauwalter
So, I thought it just wasn't that great of a cooler, because of my high temps. I even changed out the thermal paste to some Noctua H2 stuff, but it only helped by a couple degrees C.
This is what I was getting in a push/pull exhausting out of the top of my case.
It would even go up to 70, but mostly hover around 67 or 68 after a half hour of gaming. It would go up to 71 with the old stock paste.
I switched the fans in the top of the case to a push/pull intake, and now the temps are crazy nice. This went against knowledge of physics, but it made sense that heat just doesn't rise that fast, so I figured I'd give it a try, even though it's pulling air from the top.
I don't know why I didn't try this before, but man, what a difference! These coolers are better than I originally gave them credit.
My old 1080 hybrid I had in the same configuration, and the temps were solid. I know these cards are much harder to cool, so it makes sense in some aspects, but it still perplexed me that it was so much hotter. I'm just glad I solved the problem!
The computer geeks who came up with the conventional wisdom to put radiators in the top of cases exhausting up have no idea about cooling and heat transfer. That's literally the hottest air you could find in a computer. Rads should be located where they get the coolest air possible, which is direct external air intake from the lowest part of the side/front/back of the case.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Rads should be located where they get the coolest air possible, which is direct external air intake from the lowest part of the side/front/back of the case.
Not possible in 90% of the Computer Cases on the Market today. As most have the Mounting For Radiators at the Top of the Case and Front of the Case. Very few have a place at the Bottom of the case and I only know of one but would be impractical for an AIO CPU or GPU AIO Cooler.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 07:49:12
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The computer geeks who came up with the conventional wisdom to put radiators in the top of cases exhausting up have no idea about cooling and heat transfer. That's literally the hottest air you could find in a computer. Rads should be located where they get the coolest air possible, which is direct external air intake from the lowest part of the side/front/back of the case.
I disagree about the back because for one, most PSUs exhaust air to the back and two, most of the exhaust of the case goes into the rear where most of the heat sets and sometimes there are surrounding desks or walls and three, the back is completely unfiltered but that's up to the user if they want components caked with dust, let alone reintroduce more heat into their systems. To each their own I guess. Don't forget, heat rises theory kinda gets thrown out the window inside a computer case since the air flow isn't static because there's constant air flow. I still believe the top can be used as intake or exhaust dependent on a case by case scenario. The same has been said from folks who've majored in thermodynamics. This is PC's we're talking about there, not some residential home or commercial building.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 07:57:05
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120mm rad on a 373w card is just silly, bad decision by evga
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 10:47:20
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Rads should be located where they get the coolest air possible, which is direct external air intake from the lowest part of the side/front/back of the case.
Not possible in 90% of the Computer Cases on the Market today.
As most have the Mounting For Radiators at the Top of the Case and Front of the Case.
Very few have a place at the Bottom of the case and I only know of one but would be impractical for an AIO CPU or GPU AIO Cooler.
Heh. Physics doesn't care how computer cases are designed.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 10:51:45
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I'm just concerned with keeping the card cool enough to run without throttling...and the hybrid kit easily does that regardless of
where I draw the air from.
I haven't seen anything about 70C ...yet..
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 10:54:09
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Heh. Physics doesn't care how computer cases are designed.
As well as commonsense it seems.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/25 11:01:26
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I'm just concerned with keeping the card cool enough to run without throttling...and the hybrid kit easily does that regardless of where I draw the air from.
I haven't seen anything about 70C ...yet..
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
2019/06/26 08:49:18
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So, I thought it just wasn't that great of a cooler, because of my high temps. I even changed out the thermal paste to some Noctua H2 stuff, but it only helped by a couple degrees C.
This is what I was getting in a push/pull exhausting out of the top of my case.
It would even go up to 70, but mostly hover around 67 or 68 after a half hour of gaming. It would go up to 71 with the old stock paste.
I switched the fans in the top of the case to a push/pull intake, and now the temps are crazy nice. This went against knowledge of physics, but it made sense that heat just doesn't rise that fast, so I figured I'd give it a try, even though it's pulling air from the top.
I don't know why I didn't try this before, but man, what a difference! These coolers are better than I originally gave them credit.
My old 1080 hybrid I had in the same configuration, and the temps were solid. I know these cards are much harder to cool, so it makes sense in some aspects, but it still perplexed me that it was so much hotter. I'm just glad I solved the problem!
The computer geeks who came up with the conventional wisdom to put radiators in the top of cases exhausting up have no idea about cooling and heat transfer. That's literally the hottest air you could find in a computer. Rads should be located where they get the coolest air possible, which is direct external air intake from the lowest part of the side/front/back of the case.
Right, I agree with you; however, if you read the best use directions by EVGA, they suggest to put the radiator above the card to stop early pump failure.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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120mm rad on a 373w card is just silly, bad decision by evga
And then this applies to every other company as they also use 120mm Radiators not only EVGA.
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120 Radiator/Fan is the best for most cases for the Rear of the Case to mount, maybe the next round could be 140 Radiator.
But not all cases have a 140 Mount in the rear of the Computer Case so 120 would fit most cases on the Market.
But add $200-$300 More on the Price and you will see 240 Radiators.
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120mm rad just isn't enough unless you're in a cool environment with 2x push-pull 3,000+ rpm fans.
I made it work as long as I only use intake on 2 fans that only hit 1500 rpms max. One of them is a Noctua, which seemed to help cut down the noise quite a bit versus an NZXT fan. But yeah, I do agree that 120 mm rads just aren't the best for these. I would have loved to purchase the Kingpin one as a hybrid kit install, but I guess we can't win them all.
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Re: I was wrong about the 2080 ti hybrid cooler
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That is why I am hoping that EVGA update the Kits with the 240 like what comes on the KPE Cards.
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