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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/03 22:30:51
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Those blues for $110 I think are the best for the price. Unless RAM timings really matter to you that much in apps, they're really the way to go. The only difference between those regular blue G.SKILLS and the Sniper + Ripjaws sets are its timings. 8-8-8-24 vs 7-8-7-24 on the other two kits.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/03 22:38:25
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Well I'm going to be using this PC for video editing (a lot of video editing) so I'm not entirely sure how the 8-8-8-24 vs 7-8-7-24 would pair up when I'm rendering videos and what not. It doesn't seem like a big difference at all from what it seems although I'm not exactly sure about RAM timings when it comes to video rendering, whether those little difference actually make a difference in this situation. I also wanted to ask you guys, RAM speeds can I go up to 2000MHz with an i7 860 and P55 FTW? Or will it not work considering the board doesn't support it and from what I understand the CPU only recognizes like 1333MHz of the memory? Something along those lines, a little clouded in this area.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/04 05:15:45
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Running at stock clocks, the i7-860 can recognize up to DDR3-1600. Intel states that the stock configuration should only use DDR3-1333. But as overclockers, we know that we can far surpass that.  That's if you run with a BCLK of 133 and a BCLK:RAM ratio of 2:12 [12*133 = 1600] (there's an option in BIOS for this). EVGA specifications show that the the P55 FTW can do up to DDR3-2600! To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a kit like that. Well, not yet anyways. You can definitely go up to 2000 mhz on your RAM with an 860 and the P55 FTW. However, you'll need to overclock to at least 200 BCLK, and use a BCLK:RAM ratio of 2:10 [10*200 = 2000]. Since you're a video editor, you'd benefit from the tighter timings. Grab up with the Sniper or Ripjaws (really your choice, they're the same stick, different heatsinks). I'm not quite familiar with how RAM speed relates to better usage in applications, but I do know that if you buy a high-speed kit, it'll make overclocking past 200 BCLK much easier. Most of us, however, are satisfied with DDR3-1600 : it comes at a great price, and overclocking to 200 BCLK is a breeze with it, which is the upper limit of many overclocks.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/04 08:29:52
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I've run for 1.5 years G.Skill Tridents 4x2GB at 2000MHz no problem. So yes, 2000MHz is doable just fine. I ran those at 1.65v. As for running your old RAM at 1.8 on a system designed for not more than 1.65v... you can literally fry your CPU if you're not careful. The VTT voltage should never be more than 0.4v lower than your DIMM voltage... if it is, you could burn up the on-die memory controller. In addition, running your VTT voltage any higher than 1.4v can also burn it up. Be very careful. I just swapped those Tridents for 2x4GB G.Skill Snipers at 1600MHz and 1.5v. They also run great.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/04 21:16:35
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 09:23:14
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I think that as an editor, the extra RAM would be more of a benefit than a higher overclock. It will limit you, like you said, since you'll be running four sticks - it'll be stressing your CPU's memory controller more, so you won't be able to juice out as much an overclock as you might. Between those two sticks, really, just take either one! I've had great experiences with both G.SKILL and Corsair, though I run G.SKILL sticks currently in my rig. If you use a large heatsink, the G.SKILLS that you linked would be better, since you can fit more heatsink over the RAM modules area. Those Corsairs will limit the size of heatsink that you can put on top of your CPU. If you're water cooling however, then the heatsink argument is irrelevant.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 11:02:25
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Yeah I already ordered a water cooling kit (RASA X360 kit), will a 4.0 overclock be achievable with 16GB of RAM?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 11:23:09
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I may be wrong, but I don't think it's the amount of ram as much as it's the number of sticks you use. If I'm really right on that case, you should be able to hit 4.0 on water with 4 sticks no problem. I've seen many around here do it but because of the higher voltages I remember seeing a number of them using water to keep temps down. The main thing with 4 vs. 2 sticks of RAM is that you might need more VTT voltage slightly to get a stable OC. Once you get the new RAM, I'd definitely recommend following the 3 step guide that is stickied for the Lynnfield OC'ing. It will help you find your highest stable OC and if you have any instability you'll hopefully have a good idea where it's at.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 12:04:59
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Agreed. 4 ghz is very doable on these processors, though you will require some higher VTT in order to compensate for the added sticks.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 12:13:04
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Alright guys, sounds good. Cooling shouldn't be a problem and I'll be ordering the G-Skill 16GB kit tonight. I'll be sure to post the results of everything so you guys can see the finished product. I also wanted to ask you guys, where can I get some nice sleeving? I want to re-do all of my wires (power supply and other connectors). Much appreciated!
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 12:37:26
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Necrodox I also wanted to ask you guys, where can I get some nice sleeving? I want to re-do all of my wires (power supply and other connectors).
http://www.frozencpu.com/...leevingHeatshrink.html i don't have patience for this, lol... but i'm glad some folks do. gives me hope i to may achieve greatness one day.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 12:47:56
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Yeah I've been looking through, I just want to make sure I get a nice "true" red sleeve rather than the typical discolored variant they consider to be "red". Should I go for a red/black/white theme with the P55 FTW motherboard?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 12:54:48
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It's really up to you! We shouldn't be the ones who dictate what your build looks like. Though it is coincidental that you're looking at red, black, or white. NZXT sells extension cables of each variety (24-pin, 8-pin, PCI-E, Molex), each for under $10 a cable, sleeved in pure white, pure black, or pure red. You can find them on Amazon.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/05 20:41:21
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I feel like doing it all my self, gives me a sense of completeness if you will. I ordered some high density sleeving from FrozenCPU. I'm going to try and sleeve my whole power supply haha. Should be fun!
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/08 20:14:56
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Sorry for the double post, just got finished with my watercooling setup and everything is up and running and good to go. I'm just waiting on the RAM, as a result of the radiator being thrown underneath the 200mm fans I had to remove one of the heatsinks surrounded the CPU socket bracket, there is one to the left of the bracket and one at the top of it. I had to remove the top heatsink, Was this a bad idea or it isn't that big of a deal?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/08 21:42:18
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In the long run, it's likely a very bad idea. I'm not sure specifically what it's cooling, but your CPU's power phases, MOSFETs, and VRMs are located around the socket. If you run it like that without cooling for awhile, you're just bound to run into trouble sooner or later.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/08 21:58:27
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God damn, I guess I'll need to take this thing apart and put the radiator out the back. I guess I'll try that this weekend.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/08 22:00:22
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:/ Sorry about that. When does your new RAM get in?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/08 22:06:23
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I should have the RAM sometime this week, now I need to find a molex to (4) three pin breakout cable for all of these fans. I had a couple molex to 3 pin cables (single) and the whole back of my case is just a complete mess lol. I haven't stress tested my system with the new cooling, I'll be doing all of that when the new RAM comes in. I also ordered some black sleeving, now I'm debating whether or not I should try and sell my current 750w powersupply for a modular one so sleeving would be a bit more bearable.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/09 01:23:18
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Depending on how much clearance the radiator has, you may consider an aftermarket heatsink. As for power distribution: PPCS has two pages of solutions.... (Which shouldn't stop you from buying elsewhere.)
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/09 11:11:52
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Oh wow, sick. I wish I saw this before I ordered those molex connectors I'll see if I can cancel, out of all of those solutions any recommendations on a particular product?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/10 01:57:07
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/10 19:24:52
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I would say turn on c state in the bios it keeps the cpu cooler
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 05:27:58
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I got the radiator setup on the outside with the heatsink back around the CPU bracket, it's looking solid. No leaks or problems as of yet, I got the 16GB of RAM last night and installed it. All 16GBs are recognized by Windows so I'm happy about that.
I'll try and overclock this thing when I get out of class today, I'll keep that RAM at it's stock speeds of 1600, timings are set to 9-9-9-24, voltage at 1.5. The BIOS loaded the RAM ably 8-8-8-24 but I just set it to the 9's with XMP profile 1 enabled. Should I enable XMP profile for overclocking? I'll try and go for a 200 bclock with a x 20 multiplier and see if I can just jump to a solid 4.0.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 12:26:51
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Lol I seriously just don't know what the problem is, I've tried everything from a better cooling system to better RAM to endless hours of ****ing with the BIOS. NOTHING WORKS! The ONLY overclock I can get to work is the Dummy Overclock and even if I manually imitate the Dummy Overclock my computer won't boot into windows. I get all sorts of weird errors, if I go too high with the clock (200 x 21 multiplier) I get a 6F error; whatever the hell that is. If I go low (the one Sleepee suggested with the arbitrary values) I get a 2C error which in the manual is accompanied with a "Initialize devices secondary" and I have NO IDEA what that means. The only bright side I see to all of this is that my water cooling keeps my CPU at a solid 25C-28C while operating at 3.4GHz haha. Any ideas guys? Could it be a cable I have connected on the motherboard? I have a video recording devices known as the Black Magic Intensity Pro installed in my X1 PCI-e slot; I doubt it would matter but I seriously have no idea what the problem is. Maybe this is of significance though, when I boot into Windows I have problems with my little operation icons at the bottom right where the sound controls and such are. Some of them don't display, but when I hover over it with my mouse it has that little highlight animation but I can't open options or anything. Sorry for the hassle but any ideas?
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 13:33:55
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First, don't use the XMP profile. Turn it off, and set the 9-9-9-24 and voltage level manually. You might try making sure the memory "command rate" is set to 2 if it defaulted to 1 (it's down under where you set the 24). Next, follow the 3 step overclocking guide that is stickied at the top of the forum. You've had so many problems that this guide should help you identify where exactly the problem is at. Also, first I'd try running at least one full pass of Memtest86+ on the memory while at stock clocks just to make sure there are no problems with the memory. Just because Windows sees 16GB doesn't mean the memory is functioning correctly. Also make sure you are starting "clean" in BIOS by applying default settings first before you start trying to OC again (make sure to put your custom settings back in like disabling onboard sound if you don't use it for example). You might have accidentally changed something and not realized or forgot about it. EDIT: Not sure what voltages you were trying but I just realized your 200x21 is a 4.2Ghz clock. That high of an OC needs some serious vcore and VTT voltage and probably tweaking some of the other settings as well like PWM frequency and the other voltages in the BIOS. Unfortunately I can't offer suggestions on that since I've never pushed mine that far due to heat. I've seen people running 4.2 usually having vcore's in the low 1.4x's and same for VTT, and like you they're on some sort of water cooling.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 15:00:39
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Well what I do is save a particular profile since j hate disabling the C state crap all the time and I double check all of my settings to make sure I didn't forget anything and I do remember reading to alter the PWM frequencies but decided not to this time. I'll try it out but I was having the same problems going for a 3.4GHz manual overclock.
Undead of 6F I got the 2C post code but I suppose we're both at a loss as to what those codes are particularly referring to. I did all of this with XMP profile enabled so maybe that was the problem (2C error code) but nothin explains that 6F error code I keep getting.
Just got out of the gym so I'll go test the new settings as soon as I can and post the results.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 15:30:05
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Yeah that's why I'm suggesting just to reset to defaults just to make sure nothing is accidentally out of place. Yeah it's a pain to go set all your "normal" custom settings back, but if it fixes a misapplied setting somewhere then it will be worth it in the end. After that, seriously, try out the 3 step guide and see where you get. Not even getting to 3.4 manually is tell me there has to be a problem in the process you're using to overclock and hopefully the guide will help fix that. My cpu has to be about the worst case for overclocking because it's a very early batch number and I can do 3.4 easily. Mine is a retail SKU'd part but it's labeled on the heatspreader and cpu-z as a ES (engineering sample) because it's a promotional sample part from an old Intel co-worker. The batch number on it is lower than anything in the thread that was floating around here where people posted their OC's and batch number.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 15:33:44
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My core i7 860 was from launch, got it in late September of 09 lol. I hope this thing isn't boned for overclock, I have a picture of the info of my CPU somewhere I'll try and post it.
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Re:I just can't do it.
2011/05/11 15:58:09
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Alright I'm re-following the Lynnfield guide on Techreaction, I got the thing to finally boot with the overclock enabled! FINALLY! I'm stress testing it now in accordance to the guide, next step is going big with the overclock so I'll post results as soon as I get them!
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