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2022/10/17 01:30:09 (permalink)
Hello,

I have some serious problems with gaming performance of RTX 3090 Ti Gigabyte Gaming and 12900K. First of all, I provide my computer specs :
 
12900K with NZXT KRAKEN X73 ( 50-60C in game )

2x16GB DDR4 KINGSTON DDR4 3600MHZ in GEAR 1

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Problem description : While testing WD:Legion performance of installed GPU, I noticed that its usage is abnormally low. In fact, I am unable to reach a “healthy” 99% GPU usage. I thought that it was due to bad optimization.
Let’s evaluate the hardware behavior in this game. Let’s assume that in location “X” .I have 120 FPS at 1080p on Ultra preset with DLSS “OFF” and RT "OFF". The GPU usage stays around ~80%. That’s a terrible disappointment. I up resolution to 1440P and still have the same 120 FPS, but with GPU usage of 90%.
Setting DLSS to “Performance” - the GPU usage drops down to 60-70% and the FPS remains at 120fps.
 
Msi Afterburner reporting cpu 30-33% usage.
 
After seeing multiple YouTube videos recorded on same hardware with usage at constant 99% - I became concerned about the situation.
For sure, V-sync and Frame Limiters were disabled. I revealed that the only way to experience full GPU usage (99%) is to max out RT to ULTRA and turn off DLSS, and run the game in native resolution 1440P.
 
Thats the issue. Now the positive sides. My scores in 3dmark ( port royal , timespy,speedway,cpu profile timespy ) are accurate for 12900K and 3090 ti. ( normal usage ). In Cyberpunk 2077,Quake 2 rtx,Control have good 95-100% usage.
 
 
Can someone explain me issue with WD:Legion?
 
 
PS:
I reinstalled windows 11 22H2 ,updated msi afterburner, tried 3 versions of drivers,still no go. Other programs are closed in background. Nothing more using cpu.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 02:44:09 (permalink)
Your information sounds accurate and I don't see any issues. This means at 1440p your system isn't being taxed too much for the game. 
 
My advice to you would be to try multiple games and see what happens. 
 
120fps with DLSS on (performance) is very good for 1440p. 

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 03:05:54 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NpdfdnRMI&t=1s
 
 
12900K,rtx 3090 . Look at usage. 1280x720 resolution. 95% usage and higher fps. I have 70-80% usage on the same settings and 30 fps less. Why?
 
 
yeah ok. But why i have the same fps on 1080P like on 1440P? Gpu usage is only different.

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 03:51:15 (permalink)
9900k vs 12900k would be my guess.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:16:55 (permalink)
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9900k vs 12900k would be my guess.


That sounds logical to me. 

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:18:47 (permalink)
but i have 12900k too
 
 
 
<dont look at pc spec at down its not updated>

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:22:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tmmy34 2022/10/17 04:26:08
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but i have 12900k too
 
 
 
<dont look at pc spec at down its not updated>


I still think you are fine. The reason why you don't see higher GPU usage is because your system is more than powerful enough for the game. 

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:26:14 (permalink)
ooooki thx

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:36:30 (permalink)
Is your 12900k also at 5.3 GHz?
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:45:34 (permalink)
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Is your 12900k also at 5.3 GHz?


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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 04:52:18 (permalink)
That could be the reason. The video shows the persons 12900k running at 5.3GHz.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 08:30:13 (permalink)
sorry for my bad english , thx again
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 09:25:09 (permalink)
Someone said:"

The Watch Dogs Legion seems to be working fine for me with 12900K, DDR5 6600MT/s CL32-39-39-28 and RTX 4090 at 1440p on Ultra, RT OFF with average 141 FPS, GPU usage at around 91%

Tested on second system with 12700K, DDR4 3600MT/s CL16-16-16-32 (dual rank) and RTX 3090 (Overcloked so it will reach 3090 Ti performance) average FPS at 1440p 113 FPS, GPU Usage at 99%. At 1080p average FPS 127, GPU usage at 88%.

All tests done on Windows 11 22H2 with 522.25 driver and in game (not in-game benchmark)

The game is working fine and scales just fine. It might be that you RAM isn't fast enough, Did you tune timings manually as this can increase performance by 10-20%, my DDR5 setup is tune to possible max stable and that gives a massive FPS boost in CPU limited games."





So maybe its my ram?

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 10:22:50 (permalink)
thx for helping
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/17 11:20:38 (permalink)
ok thx
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/18 20:24:56 (permalink)
If you want to see more gpu usage and still have the card perform, get a 34" Ultrawide 1440p display that will get the card working more than the CPU. Also if you have the latest whatever 22 update of windows, disable the geforce experience overlay, not sure if it's still causing issues or not. Also clock speeds of the 12th gen i9 matter 4.8/4.9ghz due to temps is way different than someone running at 5.3ghz as someone already stated. It makes a nice difference. 
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/18 22:51:38 (permalink)
I have been finding it to run worse than Cyberpunk 2077 for me. It plays fine but not the best optimized game I guess

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/18 23:59:10 (permalink)
I tested Far Cry 6 on 1080 and 1440P with DXR OFF. On 1080P i am gettin 10fps less than on 1440P. So its ok?

140fps - 1080P
150fps - 1440P
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 02:26:17 (permalink)
I tested Cyberpunk 2077. Listen.
 
Using 1440P,ULTRA RT,DLSS QUALITY,rest Ultra. So switching between DLSS modes giving me more or less fps. Normal.
When i go to 1080P i have more fps than 1440P.Normal.
But when i am switching between DLSS Quality,balance,or performance i have the same fps on 1080P. I am cpu limited?
Just switching between DLSS modes on 1080P not improves my fps ,only on 1080P.

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 02:38:02 (permalink)
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I tested Cyberpunk 2077. Listen.
 
Using 1440P,ULTRA RT,DLSS QUALITY,rest Ultra. So switching between DLSS modes giving me more or less fps. Normal.
When i go to 1080P i have more fps than 1440P.Normal.
But when i am switching between DLSS Quality,balance,or performance i have the same fps on 1080P. I am cpu limited?
Just switching between DLSS modes on 1080P not improves my fps ,only on 1080P.


Yep, sounds like a cpu limit, but it could be that your gpu isn't running at full clocks due to running at 1080p.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 04:53:45 (permalink)

But when i turn ON RT on 1080P switching bewtween DLSS gives me more fps.
Just switching between DLSS ON-OFF or DLSS modes on 1080P not improves my fps without RT ,only on 1080P.
 
 
So 12900k is weak?

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:26:01 (permalink)
You’re running a 3090ti and 12900k at 1080p and trying to use DLSS? Did I understand that correctly?
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:28:06 (permalink)
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You’re running a 3090ti and 12900k at 1080p and trying to use DLSS? Did I understand that correctly?

Just for test and cpu bound,yes. Normally using 1440P.

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:33:59 (permalink)
But why are you even attempting to turn on DLSS at 1080p or 1440p? That doesn’t make sense to me. DLSS supposedly works off of the tensor cores on the GPU, so I wouldn’t think that would put more load on the CPU. You already know the game is running into a game engine limit. Why not remove the 3090ti and just test off of the iGPU if you want to see a cpu bottleneck?
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:37:02 (permalink)
So dont worry about that cb2077?

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:48:06 (permalink)
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So dont worry about that cb2077?


See if NVidia is still limiting DLSS. NVidia had a thing with the 20 series that if you had a 2080ti, DLSS wasn’t available at low resolutions. Because it’s a waste to buy a top tier card and running it at the lower resolution. I would venture to guess that you may be running into an intentional limit by the programming from NVidia and the game studio.

https://www.nvidia.com/en...odus-ray-tracing-dlss/

Here is an article from the past showing what I am referring to, directly from NVidia.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 05:59:06 (permalink)
Ok last question. I am somewhere bottlenecked in Watch Dogs Legion?
When i go to 1080P from 1440P in benchmark i have lower 80% usage. And the same fps like on 1440P. Its with DXR OFF and DLSS OFF.

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 07:03:01 (permalink)
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Ok last question. I am somewhere bottlenecked in Watch Dogs Legion?
When i go to 1080P from 1440P in benchmark i have lower 80% usage. And the same fps like on 1440P. Its with DXR OFF and DLSS OFF.

yes, as expected
that's why 1080p players don't buy a 3090 Ti

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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 07:14:31 (permalink)
ok thx today i am formatting disk and clean installing win 11 from pendrive, i will se if that helped. But thx for all for helping.
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Re: High 12900K usage - terrible Watch Dogs Legion performance on 3090 Ti 2022/10/19 10:02:06 (permalink)
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Ok last question. I am somewhere bottlenecked in Watch Dogs Legion?
When i go to 1080P from 1440P in benchmark i have lower 80% usage. And the same fps like on 1440P. Its with DXR OFF and DLSS OFF.


Yes, when you are at the maximum frame rate and lower resolution, you will also lose utilization, because 100% at 1080p would produce more fps, and since it can’t actually produce more fps due to a cap, your utilization will go down.

It’s like driving a car downhill in a muscle car versus uphill. 1080p would be downhill, so your using less engine and getting better fuel mileage, and you can go faster but you are still speed limited to a max speed so you only utilize about 20% of your overall power. 1440p would be level ground, more engine usage than 1080p, but you are still speed limited and only using maybe 60% of total engine power. 4k would be a steep uphill with a 20% grade, requiring more fuel, more engine power, and more time to maintain a set speed, usually requiring a lot more engine power and probably a lower gear to maintain the power band so it doesn’t bog down while climbing. Is it useful to have a muscle car for downhill? Nope, but it is super useful for uphill.
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