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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 11:45:28 (permalink)
I mean they will not load using anything but 353.06/353.12 drivers in windows 7/8.1.
 
Every driver loaded with no problem with my Titan X, But in there is something different with the 980Ti's that if you look at GPU-Z 0.8.3, It has the "UEFI" Box checked that, and I may be wrong, supposedly means there is UEFI hardware on these cards that only work with the new drivers??
 
I tried to uncheck it, But No Go, so I'm not sure what to do next.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 11:51:46 (permalink)
Ah, ok.
I might have to look into that. Might need to hex edit that out and see if it will work.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 11:57:50 (permalink)
That would be cool if you could find a solution. When I had my Titan X the 350.12 drivers worked much better than the 353.06.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 12:10:04 (permalink)
Wow using an unapproved driver give you results that will be approved? If not, will it be worth testing to get unapproved or enknown driver results after the tests finish?
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 12:13:16 (permalink)
Do your cards throttle in any way shape or form or do they run maxed out? Meaning..... Do the clocks hold or do they bounce and jump?
 
I was checking out the settings for those modded bios files and was not sure.
 
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Wow using an unapproved driver give you results that will be approved? If not, will it be worth testing to get unapproved or enknown driver results after the tests finish?

Always better to have approved driver's else they won't show in the rankings. Unknown can be updated I think and will eventually show up. (Through FM Updates)
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 12:41:55 (permalink)
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Do your cards throttle in any way shape or form or do they run maxed out? Meaning..... Do the clocks hold or do they bounce and jump?
 
I was checking out the settings for those modded bios files and was not sure.




I don't believe they are throttling running at 34C-36C under load, although I HAVE seen somewhat identical scores on 3DMark 11 Performance Preset Benchmarks with the 980Ti's that actually didn't get any higher scores (around 40K+) than when I was running my 4X GTX 980 setup, Which I believe might have been caused by GPU throttling.
I noticed that with your 4X Titan X setup you are getting around 45K+ in that same benchmark (although your CPU is at 5.0GHz and Mine is at 4.8GHz).
 
It almost acts like sometimes it does throttle depending on what benchmark I am running using the Overclock.net 425W/1281mv modded Vbios.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 14:31:47 (permalink)
WOW Hallowen, you had a nice run there, some really solid scores!
 
Scarlet, tough luck on the cold bug.... that sucks. 
 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 14:58:50 (permalink)
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WOW Hallowen, you had a nice run there, some really solid scores!



Thanks Dave,
Pretty Good Scores even though I am relatively upset that I had to "make do" with the Only Nvidia Drivers available (353.06) that will load with any GTX 980Ti Card.
 
There is definitely something I am missing about why I can't use older Nvidia Drivers like with my Titan X (mainly 350.12) that worked better.
I still need an explanation of why the new 980Ti's have (and show) the "UEFI" box that is checked as indicated on the GPU-Z 0.8.3 screen?? 
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:08:01 (permalink)
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WOW Hallowen, you had a nice run there, some really solid scores!
 
Scarlet, tough luck on the cold bug.... that sucks. 
 


All part of life. I will get it figured out.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:15:04 (permalink)
@Hallowen
Yup, it is a good start.  Not sure why the 980TI isn't usable with the older drivers, but I have noticed that is typically the case with a new release.  As for UEFI, all modern cards should be natively UEFI so it doesn't surprise me that it is labelled as such.  If your TitanX did not or your 980 KPE's form before, I am really not sure why they weren't labelled as such.
 
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Yeah I know, looking forward to seeing some benching numbers once you get the kinks ironed out.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:25:33 (permalink)
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Yeah I know, looking forward to seeing some benching numbers once you get the kinks ironed out.



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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:28:13 (permalink)
They definitely are all uefi. Even my 980M's are.
 
Hallowen, have you enabled the osd monitors in evga to actually watch what the clocks are doing? They don't have to do great numbers while enabled, only that they need to be stable. And if they start dropping then you can end the test right there and try some different settings.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:46:16 (permalink)
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They definitely are all uefi. Even my 980M's are.
 
Hallowen, have you enabled the osd monitors in evga to actually watch what the clocks are doing? They don't have to do great numbers while enabled, only that they need to be stable. And if they start dropping then you can end the test right there and try some different settings.




No, I haven't been enabling the OSD Monitors, But That sounds like something I should have done!
 
I'll do some testing using that when I resume benching. As far as only being able to use 353.06 drivers, I can only hope Nvidia releases some better ones soon.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:54:24 (permalink)
The drivers can be fine, but the way the vbios is manipulated might not be.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 15:56:26 (permalink)
I wonder if the cold bug could have been needing more petroleum jelly on the PCB of the gpu.. I didn't get it over the sli fingers, and I just remembered it frosted there.

The card works fine now, so it was a self correcting issue if it was part of the problem.. But it was only working when the drivers loaded.. Everything worked great without the driver installed.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 16:07:21 (permalink)
353.12 driver At least it's another driver.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 16:48:19 (permalink)
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353.12 driver At least it's another driver.


Thanks for the link,
I tried those also, But they did about the same as the 353.06's

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 16:52:42 (permalink)
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The drivers can be fine, but the way the vbios is manipulated might not be.




True, But even using the stock factory 980Ti SC+ Vbios, I still could only load the 353.06/353.12 drivers, Which (at least in my mind) means Nvidia has something to do with this problem.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 16:57:45 (permalink)
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I wonder if the cold bug could have been needing more petroleum jelly on the PCB of the gpu.. I didn't get it over the sli fingers, and I just remembered it frosted there.

The card works fine now, so it was a self correcting issue if it was part of the problem.. But it was only working when the drivers loaded.. Everything worked great without the driver installed.

 
If you mean the PCIe Slot/Card connection was frosting/condensating, I would think that probably could cause those problems.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 17:01:21 (permalink)
No, I thought the PCI slot frost could be an issue, so I jellied that. The sli fingers frosted over, and I didn't have anything on them.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 17:13:51 (permalink)
Have you tried to start off with a minimal amount of DICE in the pot to see what happens at barely sub-zero temps or did you just get it extremely sub-zero before trying to start the system up?

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 17:23:45 (permalink)
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The drivers can be fine, but the way the vbios is manipulated might not be.




True, But even using the stock factory 980Ti SC+ Vbios, I still could only load the 353.06/353.12 drivers, Which (at least in my mind) means Nvidia has something to do with this problem.


No one has one close for me to pick up right now.....
You can try with just one card and disable it in windows then try to do have disk method to see if you can get it installed that way. Then there is windows 7/8/8.1/10.....

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 18:12:08 (permalink)
Appreciate the info John.
 
Believe it or not, I have tried Windows 7, 8, 8.1 with the 980Ti's with the same result....can load only 353.06 drivers, and with Windows 10 Pro Insider Build 10130 even though there's No actual Windows 10 GeForce Drivers available yet for the 980Ti's, I tried loading Windows 353.06 8.1 x64 drivers that would install, But upon reboot the Device Manager states it couldn't load them!
What's funny is that on my other EVGA System I have running Windows 10 Pro Insider Build 10130 using the 344.38 drivers (Recommended by GeForce as the Best driver) with two GTX 680 Classifieds in 2-Way SLI, The System works Great, except for the fact I can't install the 353.06 drivers on the 680's!
 
Some how Nvidia has made us use ONLY the 353.06 driver that they designed for the 980Ti and I can't say anything else about what I think without getting a Foul Language Warning! 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/15 22:43:12 (permalink)
*%$?#!*^% That's what ya say.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/16 05:07:07 (permalink)
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Have you tried to start off with a minimal amount of DICE in the pot to see what happens at barely sub-zero temps or did you just get it extremely sub-zero before trying to start the system up?




 
I did not get it extremely cold, but down to -10 or so to start testing.  At first, I had a bad mount of the CPU pot and fixed that.  Then, after a while, I got into windows and everything ran fine.  I don't have the ASUS AI Suite, so I restarted to bump the CPU up, and when it made it back to the windows load screen, it crashed upon loading the vga driver.  That happened continuously after that.  If I removed the driver, it loaded fine, but with the VGA Driver loaded, big no go.
 
THe latest K|ngp|n arrives today, and I will test it out before I put the pots on it.  I may look at getting a few pounds of DICE for the CPU to test everything, and just run the GPU on air or on water with it's own loop.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/16 12:05:26 (permalink)
Moved from #18 to #16 HOF Fire Strike,
 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/16 12:58:19 (permalink)
Moved from #16 to #14 HOF Fire Strike.....And since it's 100F outside right now, That's all for this day.
 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/16 19:32:34 (permalink)
Hummmm, looks like they are on par with titan x's. Someone just posted a score with the same gpu score as mine. Can't really tell what his overclock was though. So I may get me some after all. And it's with the only driver they run on, so that driver might not be as bad as you first suspected.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/17 05:20:32 (permalink)
True, Perhaps it's not as bad. 
I would still like to try another driver, But I guess I'll have to wait on Nvidia to update one.
Also I don't know if everyone is using one of the modded Vbios from Overclock.net although I haven't found them from any other source yet.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2015/06/17 06:49:38 (permalink)
I usually test others to see what they do, but I always run our own version. I think last go round i even altered some that were up to see if they could run better and they did, but that's an internal thing between me and my partner.

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