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Was trying to talk myself into two GTX480s, despite all the reviews tonight. Want to replace my SLI GTX285s running dual U2410s displays. But after reading this: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/ My god, idle temps of 90° C???? Thats almost 200° F. Thats the temp you bake a ham at!!!! What would two of them in SLI due to the other components inside your case????? WOW!!! 
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:13:05
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My EVGA GTX285s idle at just over 50° C....One around 52, and the other 47 or so....
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:16:06
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EVGA GTX285 use after market cooler 480 gtx just need better cooling method like vapor X, my sapphire 5870 vapor X idle at 32° C
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:17:45
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IS that for reals? What would happen with 2x 480's and 3 monitors =(. I hope im not screwed =(
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:18:40
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With dual displays it doesn't downclock at all. Do ATI cards do that with 2 displays are connected?
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:20:50
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That's definitely not right. 90C for an idle temp would mean that the chip would instantly melt when put under load. I think it loads out at like 96C (still ridiculously hot, nonetheless), but it idles at 51C. http://anandtech.com/vide...c.aspx?i=3783&p=19
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:23:35
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With dual displays it doesn't downclock at all. Do ATI cards do that with 2 displays are connected?
Ya its the same way with GT200 cards with 2 displays or more, 1 card will always run full clocks, 2nd and 3rd clocks will downclock. Nvidia is clearly having problems with the GDDR5 transition, their last gen parts with GDDR3 dropped clocks down to 100MHz.....but even ATI has had problems with GDDR5 memory clocks in 2D/PowerPlay and they've been using it for almost 2 years, so idk, I think its more of a problem with GDDR5.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:24:40
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1. temps sound like bull****
2. Avira premium warns the link or page has possible virus issue
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:33:18
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Thats not idle, thats load.
Depending on the app the 480 load temp is around 90c. With waterblock though it is around 49c :)
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 20:35:42
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legitreviews.com has a virus? ok...
Anyways, that is correct because, just like the current cards, there is no downclocking with multiple displays...
And they confirmed it with NVIDIA engineers....
After a little more a little more investigation I discovered that the GeForce GTX 480 video card was sitting at 90C in an idle state since I had two monitors installed on my system. I talked with some of the NVIDIA engineers about this 'issue' I was having and found that it wasn't really an issue per say as they do it to prevent screen flickering. This is what NVIDIA said in response to our questions:
"We are currently keeping memory clock high to avoid some screen flicker when changing power states, so for now we are running higher idle power in dual-screen setups. Not sure when/if this will be changed. Also note we're trading off temps for acoustic quality at idle. We could ratchet down the temp, but need to turn up the fan to do so. Our fan control is set to not start increasing fan until we're up near the 80's, so the higher temp is actually by design to keep the acoustics lower." - NVIDIA PR
Regardless what the reasons are behind this, running a two monitor setup will cause your system to literally bake. Just for fun I compared the GeForce GTX 285 video card that has been in the PC for the past year to the GeForce GTX 480 to see what the differences were when it comes to heat and energy efficiency in a multi-monitor setup. I have a pair of Samsung SyncMaster 22233RZ monitors that I used for testing.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 23:28:16
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My apologies Shawnoen. I didnt mean to come off harshly. I could and should have been more polite. On the alert from Avira, dont know, most likely a glitch in Avira.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 23:38:38
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GTX 480 1 LCD
Core Clock
50.0MHz
Mem Clock
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Shader Clock
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Those have to be typos, right? EDIT: Maybe not. Assuming those are mistakes, how much of the other figures are mistakes?
After a little more a little more investigation... Sure I am no one to point a finger, but when I see these sorts of errors in an article, it makes me think the article is rushed. Flaws like this mean there could be other flaws. For instance, the method for recording the dB output of the video card's fan is obviously not in any way standardized in their review. I would wait for more reviews and more concrete confirmation of different potential issues. It's a really funky fan profile NVIDIA is using. I don't understand it. You can hear the odd behaviour in the various videos and see it charted out in graphs. The fan lags behind quite a lot for some funky reason. The card seems to peak around 95-96c before the fan catches up and when it does finally catch up, the fan eventually levels the card's temperature out at 90-93c. Weird. You can hear a funky stair-step change in speed too. What is up with that? And why does the card at 92c only have the fan running at 85%? I understand that it is loud, but ... huh. If it were me who designed the card -- and obviously it isn't -- I think I would have the fan spinning 100% by default at 90c and higher. The lifetime warranty definately sounds like a good idea.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 23:43:08
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Heat does impact longevity to some degree – we would strongly consider getting a lifetime warranty for the GTX 480 to hedge our bets.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 23:47:01
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shawnoen
legitreviews.com has a virus? ok...
Anyways, that is correct because, just like the current cards, there is no downclocking with multiple displays...
And they confirmed it with NVIDIA engineers....
After a little more a little more investigation I discovered that the GeForce GTX 480 video card was sitting at 90C in an idle state since I had two monitors installed on my system. I talked with some of the NVIDIA engineers about this 'issue' I was having and found that it wasn't really an issue per say as they do it to prevent screen flickering. This is what NVIDIA said in response to our questions:
"We are currently keeping memory clock high to avoid some screen flicker when changing power states, so for now we are running higher idle power in dual-screen setups. Not sure when/if this will be changed. Also note we're trading off temps for acoustic quality at idle. We could ratchet down the temp, but need to turn up the fan to do so. Our fan control is set to not start increasing fan until we're up near the 80's, so the higher temp is actually by design to keep the acoustics lower." - NVIDIA PR
Regardless what the reasons are behind this, running a two monitor setup will cause your system to literally bake. Just for fun I compared the GeForce GTX 285 video card that has been in the PC for the past year to the GeForce GTX 480 to see what the differences were when it comes to heat and energy efficiency in a multi-monitor setup. I have a pair of Samsung SyncMaster 22233RZ monitors that I used for testing.
the above post sounds like you have got a 480
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/26 23:48:12
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shawnoen
legitreviews.com has a virus? ok...
Anyways, that is correct because, just like the current cards, there is no downclocking with multiple displays...
And they confirmed it with NVIDIA engineers....
After a little more a little more investigation I discovered that the GeForce GTX 480 video card was sitting at 90C in an idle state since I had two monitors installed on my system. I talked with some of the NVIDIA engineers about this 'issue' I was having and found that it wasn't really an issue per say as they do it to prevent screen flickering. This is what NVIDIA said in response to our questions:
"We are currently keeping memory clock high to avoid some screen flicker when changing power states, so for now we are running higher idle power in dual-screen setups. Not sure when/if this will be changed. Also note we're trading off temps for acoustic quality at idle. We could ratchet down the temp, but need to turn up the fan to do so. Our fan control is set to not start increasing fan until we're up near the 80's, so the higher temp is actually by design to keep the acoustics lower." - NVIDIA PR
Regardless what the reasons are behind this, running a two monitor setup will cause your system to literally bake. Just for fun I compared the GeForce GTX 285 video card that has been in the PC for the past year to the GeForce GTX 480 to see what the differences were when it comes to heat and energy efficiency in a multi-monitor setup. I have a pair of Samsung SyncMaster 22233RZ monitors that I used for testing.
the above post sounds like you have got a 480
No, those are various quotes he posted from the article without citing or providing quotation marks.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 00:58:41
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legitreviews.com has a virus? ok...
Anyways, that is correct because, just like the current cards, there is no downclocking with multiple displays...
Ehh? I run a 260(Current card?) with dual monitors and automatic downclocking works just fine, if the 4xx series can't do it is likely just a driver problem at this point.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 03:42:46
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EVGA GTX285 use after market cooler 480 gtx just need better cooling method like vapor X, my sapphire 5870 vapor X idle at 32° C
Thats not true. The only EVGA GTX 285 that uses after market cooling is the Hydro-Copper (which is the reference card with a waterblock). The GTX 285 Classified uses a different cooler as its a non-reference design but it cant be called after market.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 04:28:43
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 epic fail my friends ;/
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 04:41:35
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even though i purchased one myself i must say drake bravo!
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 04:43:28
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even though i purchased one myself i must say drake bravo!
thee most epic kind of funny tease you can find
espeically since the cooler does look like you grill on it XD
You mean pre-ordered?
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 04:50:14
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Anytime you use high end graphics cards in SLI the first thing that you should consider is your internal chassis airflow. This should be maximized in such a way as to keep max air circulating around the video cards. Consider a PC chassis which is designed for this purpose.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 04:54:47
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 05:18:51
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My take on this is that a VGA shouldn't require water cooling to stay in normal temperatures ( for me) of 80C under load and OC'ed.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
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If you look at the case that was used in that review, it will answer your question as to why the temps were so high. There's no air intake fan on the side of the case for the GPU to breath. Hence, it wouldn't be something I would want to use for any expensive GPU. It's just an overpriced heat box, better suited for water cooling gurus.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
2010/03/27 05:56:33
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If you look at the case that was used in that review, it will answer your question as to why the temps were so high. There's no air intake fan on the side of the case for the GPU to breath. Hence, it wouldn't be something I would want to use for any expensive GPU.
Nevermind i found the part about him using a Corsair case for that particular test. My apologies.
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daveyd007
If you look at the case that was used in that review, it will answer your question as to why the temps were so high. There's no air intake fan on the side of the case for the GPU to breath. Hence, it wouldn't be something I would want to use for any expensive GPU.
Not sure what gave you that idea.
I just looked and not only is there a picture of the test set-up being on a bench and not in a case but also the specifications list it as "Chasssis" - "None (open Bench)".
link:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/4/
So that cant be used as an excuse for the high temps, infact those temps should actually be better than you could expect from any case.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
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daveyd007
If you look at the case that was used in that review, it will answer your question as to why the temps were so high. There's no air intake fan on the side of the case for the GPU to breath. Hence, it wouldn't be something I would want to use for any expensive GPU.
Not sure what gave you that idea.
I just looked and not only is there a picture of the test set-up being on a bench and not in a case but also the specifications list it as "Chasssis" - "None (open Bench)".
link:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/4/
So that cant be used as an excuse for the high temps, infact those temps should actually be better than you could expect from any case.
Page 15; last paragraph.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/
Yeah sorry just had a look over it again and saw that.
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Re:GTX480 has 90° C / 200° F idle temps with dual monitors?????
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 No side air intake, so obviously it would yield less than stellar performance when it comes to cooling any GPU.
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