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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 19:35:51 (permalink)
Just wanted to post an update after a little bit more time with the cards.
 
Man, they are very fun cards to play with. I'm a tinkerer, so the amount of tweaking possible is right up my alley. 
 
Here are both cards installed in the rig for now. I still have to take them out and install the backplates. I'll probably also put on my own TIM when I do.
 

 
Here is an updated tabled of my OC results including both cards
 

 
If you have trouble reading the numbers you should just be able to zoom in a little bit on your browser to make it readable.
 
GPU 2 ended up being a better GPU than than the first one I tried. They were actually fairly similar given that they had the same out of box boost clocks. One main difference though was that for some reason GPU 2 only boosted to 1.15V out of the box while still hitting 1136. Because of this it was always behind GPU 1 in terms of the voltage it took.
 
I have a few decent bits to get through, but no real order so I'm just going to spit them out ...
 
- GPU 1 ASIC = 78.9
- GPU 2 ASIC = 76.2
 
- I have so far settled on 1320 core for my gaming clocks
- GPU 1 voltage for 1320 game stable = 1.26250V software controller
- GPU 2 voltage for 1320 game stable = 1.24375V software controller
- Speaking of voltage, you guys should all read your voltage with a DMM. Actual core voltage was about 0.045V higher  than the controller set it to under maximum load. For example, GPU 1 reads 1.309-1.31 under full load despite the controller setting 1.26250V. 
- Also on the voltage bit, it seems what is truly important here is power consumed. GPU 2 consumed more power at each voltage setting than GPU 1, but it took them roughly the same power consumption to be stable at similar clocks (which meant higher voltage for GPU 1) 
- Example: During a Crysis 3 bench max Power on GPU 1 was 103% while on GPU 2 it was 104% at 1320 MHz. Voltages at 1.2625 and 1.24375 respectively.
 
- Onto the ACX coolers ... I know I said it the other night, but absolutely fantastic job by EVGA on these.
- Max temps in SLI I've seen in games so far at the gaming clocks and voltages mentioned above is an identical 63C on both top (GPU 2 in spreadsheet) and bottom (GPU 1 in spreadsheet) GPU
- I have a steep fan curve (100% fan at 60C) as I want them as cold as possible
- I also have this little gem that really makes all the difference in the world, but doesn't take away from what the ACX coolers will do when given good airflow
 

 
I told you I was cheating a little bit. 
 
And now for the part that I was really interested in and a little teaser...
 
System Specs:
 
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- GPU Setup 1 -> GTX Titan SLI at 1150 Core - 6200 Mem at 1.2V under water both PCI-E x16 3.0 (Nvidia 320.49 Driver)
- GPU Setup 2 -> GTX 780 Classified SLI at 1320 Core - 6200 Mem at volts mentioned above both PCI-E x16 3.0 (Nvidia 326.41 Driver)
 
**A note about drivers --- I am pretty bummed about this. I probably spent 50+ hours benching my Titans and gathering a ton of data on the 320.49 driver knowing that I could use the same driver when I got 780's ... then the Classified comes and it recommends 326.41 driver for proper functionality, so I have little choice. I simply don't have time to retest the Titans. If it were my paid job I certainly would, but it's not so it will just have to be noted that the driver versions were not the same.
 
 
 
I am going to be honest, that result surprised me a little bit. I am not disappointed by any means, I just really thought the 780 would edge out the Titan with the clock differences.
 
I have two reactions to this ... 
 
1) The Titan has been massively undersold in every review ever published on it, mainly because they do not run them how most people who are serious about performance run them. That is clocked as high as possible, even if it takes a modified bios to do it (mine definitely did, as do almost all).
 
2) It is still pretty impressive that you can buy a 780 and reach near modded bios Titan level performance. All while maintaining your warranty. How beautiful! Thank you EVGA.
 
That's all I really have for now. I think I've rambled long enough. 
post edited by thebski - 2013/08/07 20:31:21

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:02:43 (permalink)
Have you opened up your Classified yet thebski?  The finish of the ACX cooler on the GTX 780 IMO was not the greatest thing ever.  So wondering if for their flagship they got a better finish?

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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:05:19 (permalink)
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Have you opened up your Classified yet thebski?  The finish of the ACX cooler on the GTX 780 IMO was not the greatest thing ever.  So wondering if for their flagship they got a better finish?


I actually have not yet done that. I think tomorrow I'm going to sit down and pull the coolers off to apply MX-4 and put the back plates on. I will have a closer look at the insides then 

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:30:43 (permalink)
What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:46:19 (permalink)
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What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

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It is an INNOVA 3300. I just picked it up at a local auto parts store, and I think it was only $20-$25 (probably a year or so ago).
 
As for the OC, I'm definitely not ready to declare it perfectly stable yet, but I just used my chart that I had made for each card and went one at a time. I added a couple notches to the voltage from my bench clocks in the chart and went into Far Cry 3 and played around until I found where it was stable. I've found Far Cry 3 to be a good test for core OC's. I play around for 20 minutes or so, then let it sit in one spot at the max power use I can find so it never deviates from 99% usage and max power for 5-10 minutes, then I go back to playing for a little longer. If it can get through that, it's probably very close.
 
I did that for both cards and then put them in SLI. So far I've had no issues at the same voltages in SLI as I used in single card for each one.
 
To be 100% certain they are stable I will run them through the same suite of game benchmarks I ran the Titans through. If it survives that, it is definitely stable. I actually found that the 1163 clock I used in BF3 for probably 50+ hours was not totally stable on my Titans while going through all the tests. I had always thought BF3 stable was stable, but I found out otherwise.
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:52:00 (permalink)
@thebski - 50 hours is a long time for a BF3 session. You've got me beat 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 20:54:50 (permalink)
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@thebski - 50 hours is a long time for a BF3 session. You've got me beat 


lol, I may have taken a break or three.

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 21:02:11 (permalink)
 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 21:05:13 (permalink)
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Very nice review. I'm surprised no one has recommended you for a BR yet.         

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 21:07:09 (permalink)
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Very nice review. I'm surprised no one has recommended you for a BR yet.         


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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/07 21:14:55 (permalink)
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 07:54:36 (permalink)
Your card and mine are pretty similar. I've found I can only to get to 1346 on the core at 1.225v for a clean run (the memory on my card doesn't wiggle much, only +300, I run it at +250 out of caution and to not have it on the edge).
 
At 1.225v in the controller app and with +38mV in Precision, 1346 core tops out at 71c solid. However, I'm hitting the max Power Target (usually it's sitting around 105%, but spikes to 112%-114%), so I can't really move much more without a modded bios and probably water.

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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 08:58:02 (permalink)
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What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

Thanks


It is an INNOVA 3300. I just picked it up at a local auto parts store, and I think it was only $20-$25 (probably a year or so ago).

As for the OC, I'm definitely not ready to declare it perfectly stable yet, but I just used my chart that I had made for each card and went one at a time. I added a couple notches to the voltage from my bench clocks in the chart and went into Far Cry 3 and played around until I found where it was stable. I've found Far Cry 3 to be a good test for core OC's. I play around for 20 minutes or so, then let it sit in one spot at the max power use I can find so it never deviates from 99% usage and max power for 5-10 minutes, then I go back to playing for a little longer. If it can get through that, it's probably very close.

I did that for both cards and then put them in SLI. So far I've had no issues at the same voltages in SLI as I used in single card for each one.

To be 100% certain they are stable I will run them through the same suite of game benchmarks I ran the Titans through. If it survives that, it is definitely stable. I actually found that the 1163 clock I used in BF3 for probably 50+ hours was not totally stable on my Titans while going through all the tests. I had always thought BF3 stable was stable, but I found out otherwise.
 
 
 
Thank you I just saw that walmart has the INNOVA 3320 and will be picking one up today. I have one last question if you don't mind me asking when you run far cry 3 does the the GPU downclock your set overclock when the  your GPU useage drops below 60% ? I am having problem as boarderlands 2 does the same thing and now far cry 3 is also doing it. I am getting a bit tick off as I have no idea what is going on why can't my GPU just lock my set overclock ?
 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 09:35:05 (permalink)
That's what boost is intended to do. Handle card clocks so it's not running full bore if it doesn't have to.
 
In order to prevent that, you have to flash a modified bios that disables boost.

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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 09:37:07 (permalink)
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What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

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It is an INNOVA 3300. I just picked it up at a local auto parts store, and I think it was only $20-$25 (probably a year or so ago).

As for the OC, I'm definitely not ready to declare it perfectly stable yet, but I just used my chart that I had made for each card and went one at a time. I added a couple notches to the voltage from my bench clocks in the chart and went into Far Cry 3 and played around until I found where it was stable. I've found Far Cry 3 to be a good test for core OC's. I play around for 20 minutes or so, then let it sit in one spot at the max power use I can find so it never deviates from 99% usage and max power for 5-10 minutes, then I go back to playing for a little longer. If it can get through that, it's probably very close.

I did that for both cards and then put them in SLI. So far I've had no issues at the same voltages in SLI as I used in single card for each one.

To be 100% certain they are stable I will run them through the same suite of game benchmarks I ran the Titans through. If it survives that, it is definitely stable. I actually found that the 1163 clock I used in BF3 for probably 50+ hours was not totally stable on my Titans while going through all the tests. I had always thought BF3 stable was stable, but I found out otherwise.

 

Thank you I just saw that walmart has the INNOVA 3320 and will be picking one up today. I have one last question if you don't mind me asking when you run far cry 3 does the the GPU downclock your set overclock when the  your GPU useage drops below 60% ? I am having problem as boarderlands 2 does the same thing and now far cry 3 is also doing it. I am getting a bit tick off as I have no idea what is going on why can't my GPU just lock my set overclock ?

Thanks

 
I have noticed very funny issues in Far Cry 3 in SLI with surround (haven't tried SLI no surround). There are large power drops on the Precision X graphs that cause big performance hits. I moved onto Crysis 3 for testing even though it isn't quite as tough on core OC's.
 
Not sure if you are running SLI or what res you are running. If it's only at 60% GPU usage because that's all it needs to perform well then boost will down clock as it doesn't see it as needed. Now if you are getting 60% usage and poor performance then something else is going on.

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 09:48:14 (permalink)
Smells like driver issues...
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 09:53:48 (permalink)
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What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

Thanks


It is an INNOVA 3300. I just picked it up at a local auto parts store, and I think it was only $20-$25 (probably a year or so ago).

As for the OC, I'm definitely not ready to declare it perfectly stable yet, but I just used my chart that I had made for each card and went one at a time. I added a couple notches to the voltage from my bench clocks in the chart and went into Far Cry 3 and played around until I found where it was stable. I've found Far Cry 3 to be a good test for core OC's. I play around for 20 minutes or so, then let it sit in one spot at the max power use I can find so it never deviates from 99% usage and max power for 5-10 minutes, then I go back to playing for a little longer. If it can get through that, it's probably very close.

I did that for both cards and then put them in SLI. So far I've had no issues at the same voltages in SLI as I used in single card for each one.

To be 100% certain they are stable I will run them through the same suite of game benchmarks I ran the Titans through. If it survives that, it is definitely stable. I actually found that the 1163 clock I used in BF3 for probably 50+ hours was not totally stable on my Titans while going through all the tests. I had always thought BF3 stable was stable, but I found out otherwise.

 

Thank you I just saw that walmart has the INNOVA 3320 and will be picking one up today. I have one last question if you don't mind me asking when you run far cry 3 does the the GPU downclock your set overclock when the  your GPU useage drops below 60% ? I am having problem as boarderlands 2 does the same thing and now far cry 3 is also doing it. I am getting a bit tick off as I have no idea what is going on why can't my GPU just lock my set overclock ?

Thanks


Is v-sync on? Maybe set BL2 to unlimited frame rate?

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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 10:16:35 (permalink)
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What DMM is that ? I would like to buy one to monitor my classy's but I am looking for one that is not to expensive can you or someone recommend me one ? What game did you use to find your max stable gaming oc ?

Thanks


It is an INNOVA 3300. I just picked it up at a local auto parts store, and I think it was only $20-$25 (probably a year or so ago).

As for the OC, I'm definitely not ready to declare it perfectly stable yet, but I just used my chart that I had made for each card and went one at a time. I added a couple notches to the voltage from my bench clocks in the chart and went into Far Cry 3 and played around until I found where it was stable. I've found Far Cry 3 to be a good test for core OC's. I play around for 20 minutes or so, then let it sit in one spot at the max power use I can find so it never deviates from 99% usage and max power for 5-10 minutes, then I go back to playing for a little longer. If it can get through that, it's probably very close.

I did that for both cards and then put them in SLI. So far I've had no issues at the same voltages in SLI as I used in single card for each one.

To be 100% certain they are stable I will run them through the same suite of game benchmarks I ran the Titans through. If it survives that, it is definitely stable. I actually found that the 1163 clock I used in BF3 for probably 50+ hours was not totally stable on my Titans while going through all the tests. I had always thought BF3 stable was stable, but I found out otherwise.

 

Thank you I just saw that walmart has the INNOVA 3320 and will be picking one up today. I have one last question if you don't mind me asking when you run far cry 3 does the the GPU downclock your set overclock when the  your GPU useage drops below 60% ? I am having problem as boarderlands 2 does the same thing and now far cry 3 is also doing it. I am getting a bit tick off as I have no idea what is going on why can't my GPU just lock my set overclock ?

Thanks


Is v-sync on? Maybe set BL2 to unlimited frame rate?
 
 
V-snyc is off and BL2 is set to unlimited framerates. I am now going to create my own thread as I do not want to hijack this one. 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 14:35:30 (permalink)
I just got my DMM how do I connect it to my 780 Classified?
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 15:48:43 (permalink)
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I just got my DMM how do I connect it to my 780 Classified?


You'll have to get one of these unless you want to take a chance at touching the pins yourself and not slipping and shorting something.
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 15:53:19 (permalink)
Just ordered one thanks If I try to do it without the adapter and I slip I can short something ?
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 15:54:04 (permalink)
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Just ordered one thanks If I try to do it without the adapter and I slip I can short something ?

 
I'm really not sure, but I don't think it would be good to touch ground to 12V, no?

 
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/08 20:02:48 (permalink)
I've just been touching it straight to the pins, but have only measured GPU and 12v. I have pretty steady hands though and found a trick where you can wedge the leads between the PCB and pins. I'm going to be picking up the ProbeIT when I get my Waterblock and backplate though, tired of getting up and down out of my chair to check it lol.
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/09 03:33:59 (permalink)
Great review my friend !
I have been comparing a GTX780 to my Titan and come to a few conclusions.
1, Titan is way more powerful, 780 needs about 150-200mhz extra to draw level.
2, 780 was the twin fan cooler, not Evga but due to the longitudinal cooling fin design, does put a little heat out of the case. I find the only advantage is it is quieter, cooling is not much different But the Cpu and Motherboard run 5c + hotter !
 
Like many, because of reviews etc.. I had to get a 780 and try for myself. Bottom line, not dissapointed but not really impressed...much as yourself.
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/09 05:28:45 (permalink)
Marrv

Great review my friend !
I have been comparing a GTX780 to my Titan and come to a few conclusions.
1, Titan is way more powerful, 780 needs about 150-200mhz extra to draw level.
2, 780 was the twin fan cooler, not Evga but due to the longitudinal cooling fin design, does put a little heat out of the case. I find the only advantage is it is quieter, cooling is not much different But the Cpu and Motherboard run 5c + hotter !

Like many, because of reviews etc.. I had to get a 780 and try for myself. Bottom line, not dissapointed but not really impressed...much as yourself.


I'm not sure if this is a google translation, but your classy will likely best your Titan as you can give it more volts.



Ty
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Re:GTX 780 Classified early OC results and first impressions (pics included) 2013/08/09 06:49:57 (permalink)
They likely can draw very close if not surpass (depending on the Titans and Classys in question), but I think he's right that it takes 150-200 MHz from the 780 to best the Titan.
 
If you think about it, it makes sense.
 
Titan = 2688 cores
780 = 2304
 
Titan has 16% shader advantage
 
In my short Crysis 3 test I posed above, the Classy's had a 14.8% (170 MHz) clock advantage over the Titans.
 
46.4 FPS for Titans - 44.7 FPS for 780 Classifieds
 
Advantage Titans by 3.5%
 
 

 
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