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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 14:21:44 (permalink)
The requirements listed are whole system. 600 minimum w/42 amp 12v rail for system with single card and +250 more for SLI. That makes 850 w/42 amp 12v rail affectively. So the HX1000 may not work due to 40a per 12v rail rating. It could be marginal. Depends on overall system configurations power needs on each rail.
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 14:23:39 (permalink)
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An Hx1000 could run 2 of those cards no problem at all as its Rated at 80A. 


See, that's something to tell the missus...

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Yeh, like she's that stupid! lol

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 20:35:11 (permalink)
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Great link!!! I also notice the 1.5g GDDR5 RAM as well.....

AND..... They have as a system requirement one PCI-e 16x!!!!!!




42 amps!? Umm...I'm kind of thinking - I'm planning to build a new computer, maybe powered with a XION PowerReal AXP-850R14N 850-watt power supply, but would that be really enough? At least I'm planning to use 4 GB of no-sharing-with-graphics DDR3 RAM with an Intel Core i5 or i7...
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 21:24:43 (permalink)
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 22:01:20 (permalink)
How come on the front and side of the 470 box it says 1280 mbs ddr5 and on the bottom of the box it says 1536mbs?


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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/02 22:15:23 (permalink)
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How come on the front and side of the 470 box it says 1280 mbs ddr5 and on the bottom of the box it says 1536mbs?


Probably just a typo/oversight, the actual 470 and 480 sample boards confirm 1280MB for the 470 and 1536MB for the 480.  You can count the number of 128MB modules on the cards themselves, the 470 has 10 chips, the 480 has 12 chips.  This also hints at 320-bit bus for 470 (5x64-bit mem controller) and 384-bit bus for 480 (6x64-bit mem controller)
 
The box also seems to confirm 7.1 HD audio onboard, although from what I've read it will only be 8ch LPCM and not full bitstream support of HD audio.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 00:09:48 (permalink)
holy shi soo much power
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 00:24:35 (permalink)
I just don't see the big deal.  The box shows a +12V recommendation of 42A.  Am I missing something here?  That's only 2A more than the recommendation for a GTX285.  5% increase in power requirement but the performance is supposed to be way beyond 5% over a GTX285.....so the card is more power efficient in terms of work/watt than the previous gen.  Sounds good to me.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 00:26:32 (permalink)
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I just don't see the big deal.  The box shows a +12V recommendation of 42A.  Am I missing something here?  That's only 2A more than the recommendation for a GTX285.  5% increase in power requirement but the performance is supposed to be way beyond 5% over a GTX285.....so the card is more power efficient in terms of work/watt than the previous gen.  Sounds good to me.


Didn't we hear that this card would require its own nuclear power plant to function? 

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 00:32:32 (permalink)
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kaninja

I just don't see the big deal.  The box shows a +12V recommendation of 42A.  Am I missing something here?  That's only 2A more than the recommendation for a GTX285.  5% increase in power requirement but the performance is supposed to be way beyond 5% over a GTX285.....so the card is more power efficient in terms of work/watt than the previous gen.  Sounds good to me.


Didn't we hear that this card would require its own nuclear power plant to function? 


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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 07:11:40 (permalink)
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holy shi soo much power


The card itself won't consume more than 25A-27A.  The power recommendation is based off of the amount of wattage necessary to power every 12v component in a high-end computer not the amount of power to power just the video card.
 
It would be pretty foolish to think that the card itself will consume 42A.  Anyone who knows a bit about computers will know that the card won't consume 42A.  The people who exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption recommendation do so at the cost of showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.
 
There you go, you have my prediction which is not based on any factual evidence.
 
In a nut shell, it will only consume slightly more power than a GTX 285.  Now is that so insane?
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 07:19:59 (permalink)
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42 amps!? Umm...I'm kind of thinking - I'm planning to build a new computer, maybe powered with a XION PowerReal AXP-850R14N 850-watt power supply, but would that be really enough? At least I'm planning to use 4 GB of no-sharing-with-graphics DDR3 RAM with an Intel Core i5 or i7...

 
Yeah, based on the specifications of the power supply, it should be no problem to use it for the GTX 480.
 
Well, the quality of the power supply is in question for me since I have never heard of it.  Other than that, no reason to be concerned.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 07:36:09 (permalink)
guess mine will die pushing 480s ,nobel death i say

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 08:22:19 (permalink)
Did anyone notice that they are requiring the computer itself to have 2Gb of RAM & recommend have 4Gb??? can you say resource hungry...
lol, I bet having 6Gb or RAM will be very handy when gaming + running background programs


At least I know im still set with my PSU

combined +3.3, +5V   250W
combined +12V   94A / 1125W
1200W Continuous at 40°C& 90V

+3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 +12V3 +12V4 +12V5 +12V6 -12V
  40A   40A   28A     28A    20A     20A     20A     28A   0.8A
  40A   40A   28A     28A    20A     20A     20A     28A   0.8A
  0.8A  0.5A  0.5A    0.5A   0.5A    0.5A     0.5A    0.5A  0.02A
  ±5%  ±5%   ±5%   ±5%   ±5%    ±5%    ±5%   ±5% ±10%
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 08:43:06 (permalink)
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The people who exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption recommendation do so at the cost of showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.


Hey, wait a minute.  I exclaimed something regarding the 42A recommendation.  I figure 42A for the entire system isn't horrid or unexpected for top tier equipment.  I mean we saw the first pic's of a FERMI card almost 2 months ago now with a 6-pin and 8-pin connector.....so we knew power consumption wasn't going down.

Actually, anybody who expected power consumption to stay the same or decrease hasn't paid attention to the history of our hobby in the least.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 08:49:43 (permalink)
Yep no reason to be concerned about the 42A/600W requirements, they're quite good in light of some of the doom and gloom about nearing 300W TDP and power walls we've been hearing over the last few weeks.  I posted this over in HW/SW News but it should help shed some light relative to past Nvidia parts.  Keep in mind I'm assuming a similar test bed system, but if anything, the new test bed uses a more powerful system which favors the GTX 480 even more.

600W for Total System Power, this was covered yesterday in the GTX 400 forums, but we can compare to some last-gen parts to get an idea of what kind of TDP we can expect from GTX 470/480:

That bodes pretty well imo for power consumption, it will most likely come in around 240-250W rated TDP on the GTX 480, significantly less than the FUD and misinformation claiming close to 300W TDP over the last few weeks.  Also, the GTX 470 has been shown with only 2x6-pin connectors so we know it'll come in under 225W at stock, so hopefully its somewhere around the GTX 260/285 with regard to heat/power draw.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 08:54:06 (permalink)
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The people who exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption recommendation do so at the cost of showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.


Hey, wait a minute.  I exclaimed something regarding the 42A recommendation.  I figure 42A for the entire system isn't horrid or unexpected for top tier equipment.  I mean we saw the first pic's of a FERMI card almost 2 months ago now with a 6-pin and 8-pin connector.....so we knew power consumption wasn't going down.

Actually, anybody who expected power consumption to stay the same or decrease hasn't paid attention to the history of our hobby in the least.



+1

That is why I went and bought a 1200w PSU when I was only running two 7900GT's/8800GT's... It was a huge overkill at the time, but it looks like I can finally cash in on my investment



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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 09:31:54 (permalink)
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The people who exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption recommendation do so at the cost of showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.


Hey, wait a minute.  I exclaimed something regarding the 42A recommendation.  I figure 42A for the entire system isn't horrid or unexpected for top tier equipment.  I mean we saw the first pic's of a FERMI card almost 2 months ago now with a 6-pin and 8-pin connector.....so we knew power consumption wasn't going down.

Actually, anybody who expected power consumption to stay the same or decrease hasn't paid attention to the history of our hobby in the least.

 
Come on man.  You know what I mean.
 
Yes power consumption likely went up a little.  We haven't seen the final product, but it appears that evidence supports common sense.
 
When I said "exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption", I really meant EXCLAIM!!! Like a over zealous exclaimation.  Like holy crap that is an insane amount of power consumption.  Like, will that card require it's own power plant?  Will I have to vent the heat outside?  Will I need a seperate 20A circuit in my house just to power the video card.  Etc.
 
I am referring to comments such as Rick's.  I am not referring to comments which show an understanding that the power requirements have increased slightly.
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 09:38:20 (permalink)
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ty_ger07
The people who exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption recommendation do so at the cost of showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.


Hey, wait a minute.  I exclaimed something regarding the 42A recommendation.  I figure 42A for the entire system isn't horrid or unexpected for top tier equipment.  I mean we saw the first pic's of a FERMI card almost 2 months ago now with a 6-pin and 8-pin connector.....so we knew power consumption wasn't going down.

Actually, anybody who expected power consumption to stay the same or decrease hasn't paid attention to the history of our hobby in the least.

 
Come on man.  You know what I mean.
 
Yes power consumption likely went up a little.  We haven't seen the final product, but it appears that evidence supports common sense.
 
When I said "exclaim something regarding the 42A power consumption", I really meant EXCLAIM!!! Like a over zealous exclaimation.  Like holy crap that is an insane amount of power consumption.  Like, will that card require it's own power plant?  Will I have to vent the heat outside?  Will I need a seperate 20A circuit in my house just to power the video card.  Etc.
 
I am referring to comments such as Rick's.  I am not referring to comments which show an understanding that the power requirements have increased slightly.


BUT 2 AMPS IS HUGE!!!!    Ha, ha.  I hear you.  Maybe thought you were still ragging on me over IE.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 18:51:11 (permalink)
For HX1000 users, you also have to consider that corsair underrates that PSU so to have a better efficiency rating. 


  

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 18:51:17 (permalink)
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This is why I went and bought a 1200w PSU when I was only running two 7900GT's/8800GT's... It was a huge overkill at the time, but it looks like I can finally cash in on my investment
But see, capacitor aging over the years migth have brought you max supportable amperes down, so it isn't a 1200W units anymore.
 
Consider my old Hiper Type-R had a max stock support of 30A on 12v, but after 3yrs it was reduced to under 26A.  Had it still be 30A, it could have sustained my 920 at the 3.2 Dummy OC settings and a GTX260 full load, but it couldn't, couldn't even hold the 920 at stock speeds.  Doing the math meant my PSU had a 4.77% capacitor aging, that 4.77% of my amps was lost per year.  Considering it had a 1yr warranty, I was surprised it lasted 3yrs. 
 
Higher quality caps will have less aging, but this will vary even among the batches of HQ PSU's, they aren't all the same.  This was why I said your 1200W unit isn't anymore, but capacitor aging is fastest at the highest load.  I think the reason I was able to extend my old PSU's usefulness beyond warranty was my components prior to my upgrade were using half the available amperes, so the aging wasn't that bad.  Based on this, your PSU's available power may not be down in the 100W range, but definitely not 1200W anymore.  Here's to hoping you won't need mroe than 1000W though. 

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 19:07:19 (permalink)
We need to develop Cold Fusion...
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 19:45:52 (permalink)
It still makes me laugh that we need more power when it should be the other way around.You go around your house replacing all the bulbs with power saving bulbs and then you upgrade your computer and take all that savings away.I went from a 300 watt psu to a 650 watt psu within a year and pretty soon we are going to need dedicated 220volt plugs in our walls to run the computer like an electric stove or cloths dryer.You know how much your electric bill would be if you left your stove on 24/7 like your computer?Thats how much its going to cost to have your computer running pretty soon.I think if desktops dont start using less power soon,the government is going to ban them for using too much power. 
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 20:06:35 (permalink)
OMGzorrs!!11!  42 Ampzorsss!!  Teh furmies = teh meltdownzors!!

I stll say the igamer slogan on the front of the "Colorful" box sounds like an Apple slogan.  i-this, i-that...

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 20:27:26 (permalink)
I m going to call micheal j fox and see if he knows were the flux-capacitor went to and listen to the weatherman for some good lightning storms lol
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 20:30:35 (permalink)
Its hilarious how some people get all excited about an empty box.
Its like when child plays a box instead of what was in the box.

 
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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 21:48:26 (permalink)
5 years from now power requirements are going to be crazy.  It's a never ending cycle.  More power requires....more POWA!

Well look back and consider the likes of the GTX280 & GTX480 as low power cards.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/03 23:29:23 (permalink)
Noobie.v1.0

I have this Chieftec 750w PSU, Do u guys think it could handle a single GTX480?

http://www.chieftec.com/tubro-power.html


You could run 1 but thats about it.

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/05 21:27:00 (permalink)
the hx1000w has 80 amps...

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Re:GTX 480 Retail box pictured with PSU requrements! 2010/03/06 07:36:17 (permalink)
ok let me see if I got it right I need a min of 42 amps so if I have a thermaltake 1000 watts with each 8pin slot has 36amps and the 6pin slots have 20amps which is a total of 56amps as the 480 takes one 6pin and one 8pin slot so in my case I am alright since it outputs 56amp total right ? or do they mean each rail needs 40amps? 

what I am confused about is that I have a gtx 295 and it need 46mps and I have mine overclock as well as my cpu and have np whats so ever
post edited by DENTNU - 2010/03/06 07:40:12
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