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2018/08/31 03:47:01 (permalink)
Okay so I am receiving an X58 system from a friend for free and have a crazy idea...
 
I'm thinking of getting a 2080 or 2080 Ti, but first a little info:
 
The system is:
EVGA X58 SLI3
6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 1600 or 1333?
EVGA GTX 550 Ti? 
430W PSU 
Intel Core i7 920 
EVGA Superclocked cooler 
 
Now I am thinking of doing the following upgrades:
 
Intel Xeon W3680 (~$55 on eBay)
Extra 6GB Ram ($$??)
750w or 850w PSU ($??)
 
I'll overclock the W3680 to at least 4Ghz+ hopefully. I've seen some results on 3DMark with 6-core X58 and 1080Ti and it seems to work out well:
 
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/12251244 
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/1512827 
 
Honestly I haven't owned a desktop in awhile and had no intention to(I sold my i7 7700K/1080 SLI laptop and currently have my other laptop with i7 3820QM @ 3.9Ghz/1060) but kinda feel like having fun with this since I am getting it. 
 
My original plan was to grab a cheap GTX 480 or 590 from eBay and call it a day but I got curious about this idea.
 
My question is...will it actually work/boot do you think? And how badly do you think it would bottleneck at 4K resolution? 1080p resolution? 
 
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 03:59:23 (permalink)
    This should work with an RTX 2080 or RTX 2080ti BUT your CPU will provide some bottleneck. If you can also upgrade your CPU. That will provide a better experience. I checked prices on auction sites and you can get a top class Bloomfield or Gulftown CPU for very little money. Sometimes as low as 40 bucks. 
     
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 04:05:59 (permalink)
    Yeah I was looking into getting the W3680 which is basically the Xeon version of the i7 980X but it's also unlocked like the i7 Extreme. 
     
    According to that page, X58 SLI3 can support the Xeon without any mods (latest BIOS is all that's needed). 
     
    It already has an i7 920 (quad-core) so when I receive the system on Saturday I'll overclock it and run some benches to see where it's at. 

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 06:55:26 (permalink)
    My X58 (MSI Big Bang) with i7-950 @ 4.1  -- would handle only 0ne 10 series GPU, may be a CMOS thing, it choked on two EVGA 1080 

    I hand no issues with two EVGA 980 SC though
     
    My MB was limited to PCIe 2.0 also....
     
    I'd look for a deal on a Z97 to take advantage of Newer GPU on a budget (still uses the cheaper DDR3 RAM) (Win 7 friendly) 

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 09:07:10 (permalink)
    Your CPU WILL bottleneck.  I have a X58 that had some bottlenecking issues with my 780s and that was a few generations back.  I would highly recommend on upgrading your PC system over the GPU and just wait till one of them affordable 2060s or less come outs at a later date for 1080p which should be more than enough.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 09:17:27 (permalink)
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    Your CPU WILL bottleneck.  I have a X58 that had some bottlenecking issues with my 780s and that was a few generations back.  I would highly recommend on upgrading your PC system over the GPU and just wait till one of them affordable 2060s or less come outs at a later date for 1080p which should be more than enough.


    This is also a very wise suggestion

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 13:57:10 (permalink)
    X58 was giving me a bottleneck with a 970, before I had moved on to Z97 with the Haswell refresh. Honestly, it's been--luckily--much longer lasting than X58 was.
    Honestly, where you are now, I'd wait until the chipset that supports DDR5. That's what I am doing. It's close.
     
    But if you can't wait, drop at least $300 on the CPU so it lasts.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 14:08:11 (permalink)
    For me , I am using X79 with 4930K and waiting on the 2080 Ti . Currently running 2x 780 Ti . No CPU bottleneck only GPU for me. 
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 14:14:38 (permalink)
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    For me , I am using X79 with 4930K and waiting on the 2080 Ti . Currently running 2x 780 Ti . No CPU bottleneck only GPU for me. 


    Exactly!
     
    I have 2x 780s non-Ti with a 4790k. The only bottleneck is SLI. I am ready to ditch SLI for a single 2080.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 15:52:11 (permalink)
    Hard to argue with free. I have a X58 SLI3 up and running in another room and it ran games about as good as well as my X99 does with a GTX-980. Mine has a X5670 Xeon in it so I can confirm the board will run XEON CPU's. Maybe it was bottlenecking and I'm just to daft to notice.
     
    Still if it's free I don't see the harm in trying it. Not sure about that PSU though nvidia recommends a 650w PSU for the 2080 and say they have a TDP of 215w not overclocked.  The X58 CPU's have a TDP of 130w for the i7's and 95w for the Xeon models if memory serves. If the PSU is 430w that doesn't leave a lot room for overclocking and other components. Personally I'd say try it and get a PSU that'll go into your next build. I wouldn't spend any money on upgrading the X58 though. 
     
    If you do decide to fiddle with the X58 I have a i7 950 you can have if you're in the lower 48 states. It has a higher base clock than the 920. 

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 19:29:00 (permalink)
    Well, the lower the resolution the more your CPU will be the bottleneck. I was bottlenecked with two 980 Tis and a 4930K and a 5820K at 1080P, but not a single 980 Ti.
     
    Now at 4K even my SLI 1080 Tis aren't bottlenecked at 4K for the new games that I play - although some games just get eaten up even at 4K (140+ FPS, like Sniper Elite 4 in DX12 mode).
     
    You can always use Nvidia DSR to increase the resolution should you not be wanting to get a new monitor. It's basically like supersampling the game, and then it gets downsampled to your native resolution. https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology 
     
     
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/08/31 19:39:04 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    My X58 (MSI Big Bang) with i7-950 @ 4.1  -- would handle only 0ne 10 series GPU, may be a CMOS thing, it choked on two EVGA 1080 

    I hand no issues with two EVGA 980 SC though
     
    My MB was limited to PCIe 2.0 also....
     
    I'd look for a deal on a Z97 to take advantage of Newer GPU on a budget (still uses the cheaper DDR3 RAM) (Win 7 friendly) 


     
    Yeah this is why I was a bit worried, why would it work with one not two. I was hoping a single 2080 wouldn't have issues. 
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    Your CPU WILL bottleneck.  I have a X58 that had some bottlenecking issues with my 780s and that was a few generations back.  I would highly recommend on upgrading your PC system over the GPU and just wait till one of them affordable 2060s or less come outs at a later date for 1080p which should be more than enough.


     
    This is why I asked here, everyone had mixed responses. Some said it will bottleneck and some said it won't. Z97 supports up to 4-cores, I'm looking into getting the 6-core for X58 and overclock it as high as possible 24/7. 
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    X58 was giving me a bottleneck with a 970, before I had moved on to Z97 with the Haswell refresh. Honestly, it's been--luckily--much longer lasting than X58 was.
    Honestly, where you are now, I'd wait until the chipset that supports DDR5. That's what I am doing. It's close.
     
    But if you can't wait, drop at least $300 on the CPU so it lasts.


     
    Yeah my plan was not to get a desktop anything soon since my laptop does everything I need fine, but since I am getting it free I wanted to experiment. I mean I can always resell the GPU, I'm sure it'll keep it's value for awhile. 
    vengeancewithin
    Hard to argue with free. I have a X58 SLI3 up and running in another room and it ran games about as good as well as my X99 does with a GTX-980. Mine has a X5670 Xeon in it so I can confirm the board will run XEON CPU's. Maybe it was bottlenecking and I'm just to daft to notice.
     
    Still if it's free I don't see the harm in trying it. Not sure about that PSU though nvidia recommends a 650w PSU for the 2080 and say they have a TDP of 215w not overclocked.  The X58 CPU's have a TDP of 130w for the i7's and 95w for the Xeon models if memory serves. If the PSU is 430w that doesn't leave a lot room for overclocking and other components. Personally I'd say try it and get a PSU that'll go into your next build. I wouldn't spend any money on upgrading the X58 though. 
     
    If you do decide to fiddle with the X58 I have a i7 950 you can have if you're in the lower 48 states. It has a higher base clock than the 920. 


     
    Thanks, I'll take up your offer. I will overclock both CPUs as high as they can and see how they perform then decide whether I'll go 6-core Xeon and 2080 or just keep the system the way it is. 
    arestavo
    Well, the lower the resolution the more your CPU will be the bottleneck. I was bottlenecked with two 980 Tis and a 4930K and a 5820K at 1080P, but not a single 980 Ti.
     
    Now at 4K even my SLI 1080 Tis aren't bottlenecked at 4K for the new games that I play - although some games just get eaten up even at 4K (140+ FPS, like Sniper Elite 4 in DX12 mode).
     
    You can always use Nvidia DSR to increase the resolution should you not be wanting to get a new monitor. It's basically like supersampling the game, and then it gets downsampled to your native resolution. https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/dsr/technology 
     
     


    This is what I was thinking, DSR 4K should relief some of the stress and with a 2080/Ti I should have no issue with games running 60fps. 






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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 03:46:42 (permalink)
    If you want to listen my recommendation better use GTX2080 and Z390 + i7-9700K.
    Anyway if you plan to update platform within next 12-16 months you should order GTX2080 without fear.
    She will work extremely nice even on so old platform.
     
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 07:50:06 (permalink)
    at 4.2, a first gen i7 will compete with a Ryzen 1600,  whack a cheap 6 core xeon in there

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 08:07:10 (permalink)
    He don't even to ask about RTX 2080 or 2080Ti on X58.
    That will work with max 5-10% slow down compare to newest platform.
    I recommended him GTX2080 because with money difference could buy Intel i7 processor, used with 6 core for DDR4 platform.
     
    Memory spoil plans to many people who could sell old platform and cover price of new processor they want.
    Motherboard and RAM are extra investment, than you figure out how much cost memory. I will not replace my 16GB until really become bottleneck in size.
     

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 08:38:16 (permalink)
    I'll be the first to point out he's only got 6GB memory. That's not going to cut it with modern games. He's going to be thrashing the drives which would defeat the purpose of any upgrades.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 09:04:31 (permalink)
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    I'll be the first to point out he's only got 6GB memory. That's not going to cut it with modern games. He's going to be thrashing the drives which would defeat the purpose of any upgrades.


    6GB ?
     
    Signature says 32GB RAM
     
    Maybe I am missing something ?

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/01 10:00:14 (permalink)
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    I'll be the first to point out he's only got 6GB memory. That's not going to cut it with modern games. He's going to be thrashing the drives which would defeat the purpose of any upgrades.


    6GB ?
     
    Signature says 32GB RAM
     
    Maybe I am missing something ?


    The X58 system will only have 6GB of memory. His signature specs are for a Alienware M18x laptop.
     
    I'm so glad I no longer have an X58 system. Those things ran so hot on both the motherboard and cpu.
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/09 20:22:22 (permalink)
    I recently upgraded my X58 from a i7 950 @ 3.4Ghz 4C8T to a X5675 @ 4.2Ghz 6C12T (Will go to 4.4 but not 100% stable in everything).
     
    I doubled my quad and multicore performance and it is ~30% faster single core, and best of all it was just 45 bucks on ebay. Based on synthetic benchmarks its about 80-85% of the performance of a stock 8600K and close to a i7 4th gen in performance. Since its a 95W chip it also runs relatively cool. In game FPS gains were typical under 10% since at 4K and 1680x1050x3 nvidia surround I'm already GPU limited. An 8700K would probably only get me around an extra 2-5FPS at those high resolutions. I Can't recommend this upgrade enough.
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/12 13:17:48 (permalink)
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    I recently upgraded my X58 from a i7 950 @ 3.4Ghz 4C8T to a X5675 @ 4.2Ghz 6C12T (Will go to 4.4 but not 100% stable in everything).
     
    I doubled my quad and multicore performance and it is ~30% faster single core, and best of all it was just 45 bucks on ebay. Based on synthetic benchmarks its about 80-85% of the performance of a stock 8600K and close to a i7 4th gen in performance. Since its a 95W chip it also runs relatively cool. In game FPS gains were typical under 10% since at 4K and 1680x1050x3 nvidia surround I'm already GPU limited. An 8700K would probably only get me around an extra 2-5FPS at those high resolutions. I Can't recommend this upgrade enough.


    I ended up not upgrading everything. I actually got my Alienware 13 R3 back (i7 7700HQ, 32GB Ram, 1TB SSD, GTX 1060, OLED) and I even have the Alienware Graphics Amplifier (supports any 2-slot GPU) so that would probably be a better choice for 2080Ti etc. 
     
    I ended up just keeping the desktop as a multimedia machine. I got it up to 4Ghz stable on EVGA Superclocked cooler lol
     

     

     
    Not tooo far from my Ivy bridge laptop @ 3.9Ghz:
     

     
    Stock 7700HQ on the Alienware 13 R3 wins though of course:
     

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/12 13:57:43 (permalink)
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/09/13 11:47:26 (permalink)
    An interesting turn of events. Glad this worked out for you.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/10/31 01:30:26 (permalink)

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/10/31 10:28:56 (permalink)
    Yeah, that ran the 1060 ok at 4.2ghz. But yeah way ahead of that this chip.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/10/31 10:40:27 (permalink)
    I recently bough an EVGA 1070Ti SC Black and it is working fine on X58 Rampage III Extreme with Xeon W3680 running at 4.43Ghz and yesterday I pushed the system to test 3DMark Time Spy and see the score.
     

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/10/31 14:47:26 (permalink)
    Synthetic benchmarks mean nothing when it comes to actual gaming performance...
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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2018/11/06 18:34:58 (permalink)
    So I don't have any pictures right now but I have tested a 2080 in my X58 system. It was a EVGA x58 Classified 3 with a W3680 at 4.4ghz. So I also tested it in comparison to my x99 system and the fps in most games that were cpu driven was anywhere between 3-11 fps. So 11 fps sounds like a lot but the only time you would see 11 fps difference is when the game was running upwards of 100 fps. Also If you play at a 2k + resolution than you would have less of an issue with the cpu being a few generations old. So if you wanted to pick up a 2080 (Non-TI) I would put that extra money away for a new motherboard and cpu and ram for 2 quarter next year. Ram prices will be dropping a lot and newer architecture should have a little more time to drop in price and mature. At least that's my look on it. Good luck choosing.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2019/02/01 21:36:12 (permalink)
    warcobra
    So I don't have any pictures right now but I have tested a 2080 in my X58 system. It was a EVGA x58 Classified 3 with a W3680 at 4.4ghz. So I also tested it in comparison to my x99 system and the fps in most games that were cpu driven was anywhere between 3-11 fps. So 11 fps sounds like a lot but the only time you would see 11 fps difference is when the game was running upwards of 100 fps. Also If you play at a 2k + resolution than you would have less of an issue with the cpu being a few generations old. So if you wanted to pick up a 2080 (Non-TI) I would put that extra money away for a new motherboard and cpu and ram for 2 quarter next year. Ram prices will be dropping a lot and newer architecture should have a little more time to drop in price and mature. At least that's my look on it. Good luck choosing.


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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2019/02/02 12:23:24 (permalink)
    X58 is oldddd and needs put to bed man. But yeah you could. I'm waiting on a pump from China, so I'm just running Air for now Big Scythe Mugen 5 on the 7700k.

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    Re: GTX 2080 or Ti on X58 System? 2019/02/04 19:34:50 (permalink)
    My x58 is 10years old, running a 4k monitor, and still playing any game well that I have bought lately. When my pentium4 was 10 years old, it wouldn't play any new games. The x58 is still a good system, and was way ahead of it's time when it came out. Motherboard still looks awesome to me, I'm running it as long as I can. 

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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