EVGA

Helpful ReplyGA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board?

Author
Lokator
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 147
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/03/13 18:25:57
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 1
2020/09/21 18:51:02 (permalink)
So I just made a quick Port Royal benchmark with my 338w 2080 Ti and compared it with Gamers Nexus 3080 FTW3 420W OC.
The GPU-Z Tool showed power draw stats of chip, board and MVDDC (memory I guess)...
So the chip of the 2080 Ti consumes 261W, while the Board does use 315,9W. (chip does use 82,6%, MVDDC 37W, 14,18%, rest 3,22%)
The Chip of 3080 does use 233,2W, while the board dues use 404,2 W (chip does use 57,7%, MVDDC 96,5W, 23,9%, rest 18,4%)

So the GA102 chip seems to use less watt at higher board power draw vs TU102 chip at lower board power draw.
So thats probably the reason, why the chip does not get really hot.
 
Thats also imo the reason why Samsung 8n is no problem, the chip does not get to hot. It is the rest of the board.
 
I would also say with GDDR6, low clocks and some tuning the GA106 will be pretty efficient in laptops, because some people already memed about Ampere in Laptops.


post edited by Lokator - 2020/09/21 20:11:20

Attached Image(s)

#1
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
  • Total Posts : 5004
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 22
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/21 19:38:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Lokator 2020/09/21 19:51:23
I noticed that too, thanks for posting the side by side. I'm a bit unclear where all the extra power on the 3080 is going, is the vram really that power hungry? It's not the fans.
#2
Lokator
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 147
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/03/13 18:25:57
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 1
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/21 21:19:33 (permalink)
might be the connections on the pcb to transfer stuff fast?
#3
Sajin
EVGA Forum Moderator
  • Total Posts : 49177
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2010/06/07 21:11:51
  • Location: Texas, USA.
  • Status: online
  • Ribbons : 199
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/22 13:23:08 (permalink)
Hmm, so the 2080 ti is using 350w while the 3080 is using 430w.
#4
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
  • Total Posts : 5004
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 22
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/23 17:38:34 (permalink)
Sajin
Hmm, so the 2080 ti is using 350w while the 3080 is using 430w.





Looks like it's a 2080 Ti running at 315w vs. a 3080 FTW2 with the 400w pre-release bios, maxed.  The TU102 is pulling more power and current at a higher voltage.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/09/23 18:27:24
#5
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
  • Total Posts : 5004
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 22
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/23 18:24:07 (permalink)
Just ran my 2080 Ti Hybrid* on Port Royal in loop, locked at 1.025v to match the 3080 above.  At 1980mhz locked it was around the XC bios board limit of 338w, with 252w on the chip.  55C and stable.  So the TU102 definitely draws more power and current at the same voltage.
 
Where is all the other power going?
 
*note my rad fans and pump are getting power off the MB, so I probably get few bonus watts to the chip.
post edited by kevinc313 - 2020/09/23 18:26:41
#6
arcky
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 180
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/09/01 12:13:00
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/23 21:14:03 (permalink)
watts:fps is not exactly linear
#7
ReZpawN
iCX Member
  • Total Posts : 304
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2020/09/17 16:22:46
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/24 04:50:34 (permalink)
Seems like these new gpus also undervolt pretty good without losing much performance 
#8
Lokator
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 147
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/03/13 18:25:57
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 1
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/24 04:56:41 (permalink)
yes thats the strange thing for me: when the rest of board sucks so much power, undervolting the chip should not do so much in power, because rest is still high.... so somehow the rest of the board scales together with the chip? Interesting
#9
aj_hix36
Superclocked Member
  • Total Posts : 105
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2008/12/05 18:55:03
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/24 15:31:40 (permalink)
You can undervolt the 30 series and retain the majority of your fps while reducing power usage.
#10
sirien
New Member
  • Total Posts : 48
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2007/03/29 20:33:06
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 0
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/24 16:39:58 (permalink)
Check frame chasers YouTube channel, he has an in depth Turing vs Ampere voltage/power draw chart that he tested himself.
#11
kevinc313
CLASSIFIED ULTRA Member
  • Total Posts : 5004
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2019/02/28 09:27:55
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 22
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/25 18:51:28 (permalink)
Here's a readout of the 3090 at idle:
 
https://forums.evga.com/Real-3090-FTW3-Ultra-numbers-from-a-mere-mortal-m3094776.aspx
 
MVDDC: Memory Core Logic Voltage
MVDDQ: Memory Voltage supplied to the output buffers of the video card memory.

 
So it looks like the memory on these cards is pulling a ton of power, even at idle. 
#12
vegajf51
SSC Member
  • Total Posts : 561
  • Reward points : 0
  • Joined: 2018/01/07 12:53:12
  • Status: offline
  • Ribbons : 1
Re: GA102 chip is efficient vs TU102, just not memory and board? 2020/09/25 19:03:41 (permalink)
GDDR6X for the 3080 was a bad idea. Nividia should have just made it with 12GB of cheaper GDDR6.... same performance, more VRAM, less power draw. 
#13
Jump to:
  • Back to Mobile