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Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:56 AM
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Ok i was playing around with HFM and noticed that the new fahcore 11, that is download from stanford is version 1.31 ( my new setup ) while all other fahcore 11 is version 1.19 in my HFM. ( my old setup ) and i noticed that the newer fahcore 11 is a lot sensitive than the old fahcore 11 , but it is also giving me less PPD avg. here is the photo of 8x GTX295 running fahcore 11 (353 WU ) version 1.31 with PPD avg of 8714.1 PPD on settings of 576-1480-1008 before I replace the fahcore 11.exe ( this is what I received from Stanford ) ver 1.31 And this is AFTER I replace the Fahcore 11.exe with version 1.19 from my old working folder Now everyone CAN you see a different of 256 PPD per card????? new version 8714.1 PPD old version 8970.4 PPD also both photo were taken before and after I replace the Fahcore 11.exe WITH NO CHANGES TO SETTINGS they are still set at 576-1480-1008 for those that got the newer version of fahcore 11 and would like to download the old fahcore 11 here is the link http://hotfile.com/dl/20825842/5b19e39/FahCore_11.exe.html ********Don't not use the download for MIXED CARD FOLDING********** It is only intended for SAME CARD setup Also waited until you have finish the WU before replacing the fahcore11.exe file ( you can do so by right click the gpu cleint and click pause when done ) so If you have 8 gpu clients that is working on version 1.31 that is almost (2048) less PPD 8 x 256 ppd = 2048 PPD total I hope this help everyone that is trying to gain as much PPD as possible and helping Stanford at the same time. Please any feedback to post below. thanks WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:07 AM
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I also got another new system than is running and setup couple of days ago, and is running fahcore 11 version 1.19 but the file size is larger than my old system fahcore 11 version 1.19. So i also replace the new system fahcore11.exe ( 8970.4 PPD ) also version 1.19 ( larger file size ) replace with the older fahcore11.exe (9242.2 PPD ) also version 1.19 ( smaller file size ) I have gotten from my other system. and is 272 extra PPD from replacing the fahcore 11 from the older setup to the new setup both card is GTX260 with settings of 626-1600-1208 ALSO the newer fahcore 11 is sensitive to over clock Shader... and you may have to lower the shader to avoid EUE. So If the old settings was fine months ago, now they would starting to get EUE from the same settings, and you may have to tune down the shader clock!!!! ( I have to do that on my GTX295 and GTX260 before I swap out the fahcore 11 ) WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:45 AM
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Did it finally make it out of the beta stage. The reason it is slower is that Stanford has put in a "fix" for our real hotties (the 511 pt work units  , for all of those that can´t remember them or have not yet seen them at all) run less hot by reducing the gpu utilization. Sorry, I can´t find the post in the folding forums atm
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 AM
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Barbarossa Did it finally make it out of the beta stage. YES sir , I think they did make it out of BETA!! i have 2 system with the newer fahcore11 and is running like CRAP!!! also the Fahcore 14 is also NEW!!! and is also running like crap!! i am trying to see if I can dig up the old Fahcore 14 version 1.25 from my old system.. Stay tune for fahcore 14 updates.. I have seem the 511. They were running my 295 into 95c territory , but that was months ago. I haven't seem it again WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:00 AM
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I do not think the newer cores are more stable, they are less stable. I have had more frequent errors and gpu instability with the new cores where it was not even an issue with the previous cores. C'mon wb where is my older cores?
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:04 AM
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wb488641 I have seem the 511. They were running my 295 into 95c territory , but that was months ago. I haven't seem it again WB The beta is from August, just 2 or three weeks before they stopped handing these  out
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:04 AM
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Horvat I do not think the newer cores are more stable, they are less stable. I have had more frequent errors and gpu instability with the new cores where it was not even an issue with the previous cores. C'mon wb where is my older cores? i am running all 353 right now  so I don't know what version it is just yet, so stay tune Squirrel for the fahcore 14 version 1.25. I have to see what machine have it.. the newer fahcore 11 is more STABLE if you lower the shader clock see above!!! ALSO the newer fahcore 11 is sensitive to over clock Shader... and you may have to lower the shader to avoid EUE. So If the old settings was fine months ago, now they would starting to get EUE from the same settings, and you may have to tune down the shader clock!!!! ( I have to do that on my GTX295 and GTX260 before I swap out the fahcore 11 ) WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:08 AM
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wb488641 Horvat I do not think the newer cores are more stable, they are less stable. I have had more frequent errors and gpu instability with the new cores where it was not even an issue with the previous cores. C'mon wb where is my older cores? i am running all 353 right now so I don't know what version it is just yet, so stay tune Squirrel for the fahcore 14 version 1.25. I have to see what machine have it.. the newer fahcore 11 is more STABLE if you lower the shader clock see above!!! ALSO the newer fahcore 11 is sensitive to over clock Shader... and you may have to lower the shader to avoid EUE. So If the old settings was fine months ago, now they would starting to get EUE from the same settings, and you may have to tune down the shader clock!!!! ( I have to do that on my GTX295 and GTX260 before I swap out the fahcore 11 ) WB Exactly, so to me that means less stable. More sensitive equals less stable. FYI, I can not even turn the shader up one notch on the 295 in rig 3 because it will EUE quickly even with the 353 pointers. The 295 in rig 4 have the shaders up to 1404 with no problems yet.
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:12 AM
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Horvat wb488641 Horvat I do not think the newer cores are more stable, they are less stable. I have had more frequent errors and gpu instability with the new cores where it was not even an issue with the previous cores. C'mon wb where is my older cores? i am running all 353 right now so I don't know what version it is just yet, so stay tune Squirrel for the fahcore 14 version 1.25. I have to see what machine have it.. the newer fahcore 11 is more STABLE if you lower the shader clock see above!!! ALSO the newer fahcore 11 is sensitive to over clock Shader... and you may have to lower the shader to avoid EUE. So If the old settings was fine months ago, now they would starting to get EUE from the same settings, and you may have to tune down the shader clock!!!! ( I have to do that on my GTX295 and GTX260 before I swap out the fahcore 11 ) WB Exactly, so to me that means less stable. More sensitive equals less stable. Ok i reword it to MORE SENSITIVE ... HAPPY!!! WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:14 AM
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Pfftttt! Good night Gracie.
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:55 AM
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Sadly I agree that the ppd are lower, but as I'm running mixed cards (285 and 8800) I have no choice better ppd with the 2 than 1 of course :)
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:22 AM
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johnerz Sadly I agree that the ppd are lower, but as I'm running mixed cards (285 and 8800) I have no choice better ppd with the 2 than 1 of course :) I agree 100% of course this is for same card setup only, just I noticed the changes on the new fahcore11 and like to let everyone know what is affecting their PPD and the stable issue with the new fahcore11, because I was like **** " EUE " on settings that was once I consider STABLE. so for mixed card, you just have to tough it out on lower PPD then no PPD, but the lost of PPD is only 256 - 271.8 , so in thoery that is not so bad. WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:05 PM
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wb488641 johnerz Sadly I agree that the ppd are lower, but as I'm running mixed cards (285 and 8800) I have no choice better ppd with the 2 than 1 of course :) I agree 100% of course this is for same card setup only, just I noticed the changes on the new fahcore11 and like to let everyone know what is affecting their PPD and the stable issue with the new fahcore11, because I was like **** " EUE " on settings that was once I consider STABLE. so for mixed card, you just have to tough it out on lower PPD then no PPD, but the lost of PPD is only 256 - 271.8 , so in thoery that is not so bad. WB Logic dictates of course that some PPD is better than none and of course the main objective here is to further research and find cures for debilitating diseases. No luck on finding that core 1.25 wb?
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:06 PM
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for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig.
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:15 PM
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I noticed it last night (less ppd) on a rebuild, but wasn't smart enough to realize it was the core. I'll replace the old one tonight to see.....thought it was downclocking or priorities were conflicting. 200 ppd doesn't sound like much unless Wb and thaita are chasing you :)
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:17 PM
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ajr23 for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig. Hey man, I started having stability issues on my GTX260/216 with the 1.31 (particularly 787 WUs), do you say that you're running the 1.19 on your GTX295 and 1.31 on your 9800GT with no problems? How long has it been going? I have a 9800GTX+ that's running 1.31 with no problems... Thanks for the response!
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:24 PM
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Hey, WB, is it the 9242 one that you posted up there? If not, could you upload that somewhere? Many thanks!
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:14 PM
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theGryphon ajr23 for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig. Hey man, I started having stability issues on my GTX260/216 with the 1.31 (particularly 787 WUs), do you say that you're running the 1.19 on your GTX295 and 1.31 on your 9800GT with no problems? How long has it been going? I have a 9800GTX+ that's running 1.31 with no problems... Thanks for the response! yea i have my 295's running the version 1.19 core 11 and the 9800gt was just recently added and it is running the version 1.31 with no problems, im going to assume though that the 9800gt is getting a few hundred points less than it should running the 1.31, but i have had no slowdowns with the 295's with shaders at 1566 getting 9242.2 ppd for each core. if you like i can post a picture
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:21 PM
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Thanks man, I actually couldn't wait for your response and switched to the old Fahcore_11 (1.19) with size 1,843,200 bytes for my GTX260/216. No problems for now and I switched back to my creepy 666/1566/999 clocks; the 1.31 didn't like the shaders at 1566... WB, is this the smaller size 1.19 you're talking about? Thanks!
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:32 PM
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theGryphon Thanks man, I actually couldn't wait for your response and switched to the old Fahcore_11 (1.19) with size 1,843,200 bytes for my GTX260/216. No problems for now and I switched back to my creepy 666/1566/999 clocks; the 1.31 didn't like the shaders at 1566... good to see that your back up and running, sorry i didn't post earlier was just finishing up my finals, is the 9800gtx running in the same system as the gtx 260?
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:49 PM
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theGryphon Thanks man, I actually couldn't wait for your response and switched to the old Fahcore_11 (1.19) with size 1,843,200 bytes for my GTX260/216. No problems for now and I switched back to my creepy 666/1566/999 clocks; the 1.31 didn't like the shaders at 1566... WB, is this the smaller size 1.19 you're talking about? Thanks! yes this is the smaller size that i was talking about, the version 1.31 and the newer version 1.19 doesn't seem to like high shader clock settings, and is very sensitive to shader OC, and would EUE out. WB leftygof I noticed it last night (less ppd) on a rebuild, but wasn't smart enough to realize it was the core. I'll replace the old one tonight to see.....thought it was downclocking or priorities were conflicting. 200 ppd doesn't sound like much unless Wb and thaita are chasing you :) Yup , thats what I am talking about 256 PPD per card, and let say you have 15 card running that is grand total of 3840 PPD , and that make a HUGH different at the end of the week. Let me know how the replacement goes!!!! as I am testing it myself. WB theGryphon ajr23 for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig. True, but I still get EUE on the new version of the fahcore 1.19 with my known stable shader settings. So i guess swaping it out couldn't hurt WB Hey man, I started having stability issues on my GTX260/216 with the 1.31 (particularly 787 WUs), do you say that you're running the 1.19 on your GTX295 and 1.31 on your 9800GT with no problems? How long has it been going? I have a 9800GTX+ that's running 1.31 with no problems... Thanks for the response! theGryphon YES 1.31 have been the problem for me on high clock settings, and I think it have been going on for almost 2 weeks, because it is the time frame of my rebuilt. WB Hey, WB, is it the 9242 one that you posted up there? If not, could you upload that somewhere? Many thanks!  it is post up there.. the download link for the old fahcore 11 WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:34 PM
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If you need FahCore_14 v1.25 or any other core here are the instructions for doing it manualy Downloading FAH Core files manually and here is another location for the old cores FahCore_11.exe v1.19 FahCore_14.exe v1.25 dated March 24,2009 theGryphon reports that manually placing FahCore_14.exe v1.25 into your client will result in your client downloading the newer beta core, But here is the core anyway. Maybe someone will have better luck with this one
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:35 PM
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Horvat No luck on finding that core 1.25 wb? NOT yet!!!! Still getting the 353 ....HAHAHAHA!!!!!  keep the 353 coming....LOL I will update once I get the 1888.. then I will know what machine got the fahcore14 version 1.25 Patience my little Squirrel... haha WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:41 PM
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ajr23 for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig. compare you fahcore 11 file size and compare the download the link file size and see if they are the same, if your is larger then you got the newer version of the 1.19 for mixed card folding... that is what happen to my new rebuilt system. they are automatically download the newer version WB
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:32 PM
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wb488641 ajr23 for those running mixed cards i think that the newer cores just need to be on the 8000 and 9000 cards while the gtx200 series can still be running the 1.19, at least this is the case with the cards folding in my sig. compare you fahcore 11 file size and compare the download the link file size and see if they are the same, if your is larger then you got the newer version of the 1.19 for mixed card folding... that is what happen to my new rebuilt system. they are automatically download the newer version WB the file size for the core 11 im using is 1.75mb last date modified was 11/21/09 i added my 9800gt on monday so it didn't dl a new one but it might have already had the right core 11 for mixed folding
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:52 PM
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Give the size in bytes man!
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:54 PM
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theGryphon Give the size in bytes man! 1,843,200 bytes appears to be the same size as the one wb linked
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:21 PM
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yeah, tomslick and WB linked to the exact same core, and that's what I employed for my GTX260/216. and yeah, both my cards are in the same system and it seems to run perfectly with different (1.19 and 1.31) cores simultaneously...
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Re:fahcore 11 version 1.19 vs fahcore 11 version 1.31
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:28 PM
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Thanks for the comparison WB. I might try out the older core again on my 295.
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