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vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions..

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Friday, November 26, 2010 7:55 PM (permalink)
Sup doods, I've been tinkering with my 580SC for a while, and some questions arise.

First: Would it be best to keep your voltage at max and just get the best possible STABLE OC on it and leave it like that? My temps never reach anything above 65 on max load no matter what voltage I use, going from stock voltage to max allowed only bumps the temps 3 degrees or so.
 
Second: My stable OCs become unstable for no reason. For example, the other day I had it at 900 core(forgot shader #) 2150 memory, and at 1.113v. This OC ran vantage no problem and gave me no errors over 15 mins of stress testing , maxing out at 61c. This OC however I did with the windows open, so my room was kinda cold.
The next day I tried vantage again with the same OC and it would crash 2 seconds into the first test, doing a stress test I would get artifacts and the max temps would reach 66c or so.

Could the 5 degree difference in temps be enough to destabilize the whole thing? I know with OCing you're walking on a tight line, but is it really that sensitive? What exactly does increasing voltage do regarding stability? Is it just part of the magic temp/vcore mix that makes an overclock stable?

Right now I left it at 1.113v and 880core 2150 memory and ran vantage  a couple times this morning before work, came through fine, no errors. This was in a warm no-t-shirt-necessary temperature room though. The 900 core was in a warm-sweatshirt-required room with a cold breeze blowing down right on the PC.
 
Thanks for any ideas/suggestions/advice/discussion.



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    HeavyHemi
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    Re:vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions Friday, November 26, 2010 8:12 PM (permalink)
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    Sup doods, I've been tinkering with my 580SC for a while, and some questions arise.

    First: Would it be best to keep your voltage at max and just get the best possible STABLE OC on it and leave it like that? My temps never reach anything above 65 on max load no matter what voltage I use, going from stock voltage to max allowed only bumps the temps 3 degrees or so.

    Second: My stable OCs become unstable for no reason. For example, the other day I had it at 900 core(forgot shader #) 2150 memory, and at 1.113v. This OC ran vantage no problem and gave me no errors over 15 mins of stress testing , maxing out at 61c. This OC however I did with the windows open, so my room was kinda cold.
    The next day I tried vantage again with the same OC and it would crash 2 seconds into the first test, doing a stress test I would get artifacts and the max temps would reach 66c or so.
    Could the 5 degree difference in temps be enough to destabilize the whole thing? I know with OCing you're walking on a tight line, but is it really that sensitive? What exactly does increasing voltage do regarding stability? Is it just part of the magic temp/vcore mix that makes an overclock stable?

    Right now I left it at 1.113v and 880core 2150 memory and ran vantage  a couple times this morning before work, came through fine, no errors. This was in a warm no-t-shirt-necessary temperature room though. The 900 core was in a warm-sweatshirt-required room with a cold breeze blowing down right on the PC.

    Thanks for any ideas/suggestions/advice/discussion.

    Yep just a couple of degrees can make or break a overclock on the edge. Actually it's best to find your highest stable 100% OC then drop it 20Mhz or so from there. You won't notice the .5 FPS and your system will be more stable.

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    Re:vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions Friday, November 26, 2010 8:15 PM (permalink)
    1. It's a risk, but I'm not sure if it is a small risk or large risk.  You can't measure the temperatures of the VRM which is what heats up as you increase voltages (as well as GPU core).  But the GTX 580 has a good heat sink that cools everything so you should be fine when running 1138 mV.
     
    2. Yeah increase temperatures can destabilize overclocks.  During the summer my maximum GPU overclock for Vantage on my GTX 480 was 885/1770/1000.  Now, with the lower ambient temperatures, I can bench at 890/1780/1000.  15 minutes of stress testing is not nearly enough.  If you want to ensure a stable overclock, run the EVGA OC Scanner at full screen, enable artifact scanner, enable power draw and run it for at least an hour.  You might also want to try the Cryostasis Tech Demo.  It's an outstanding GPU stress test despite how short it is.  The insane amount PhysX calculations prove unstable overclocks all the time.  Back when I had a single GTX 260 CORE 216, I had an overclock that passed ATItool and OCCT but crashed during that game.
     
    3DMark Vantage is not close to a valid stress test.  I use slightly unstable overclocks for benchmarks just to squeeze out more points, but for normal use I only use a stable overclock that passed the stability tests I mentioned above.


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    Re:vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions Friday, November 26, 2010 9:12 PM (permalink)
    Different apps use different data paths, so be sure that you establish your 24/7 max usable clock on whatever games you will  actually  run, not a benchmark.  And this works both ways...a stress tester may clock higher than a game even though it makes higher temps.  3dM vantage may pass while,say, BF2 may fail at the same clock.  
    Many people wrongly think that if a computer makes X passes of program Y, then every piece of software ever written will pass no crashing.  There's no such thing. 
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    Re:vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions Friday, November 26, 2010 9:32 PM (permalink)
    Oh I definitely ran EVGA OC Scan to overload the card, but sometimes I'd get decently stable short runs with the OC scanner, but 2 seconds into Vantage it would crash.

    I'm not gonna go with a homebrew watercooling solution, but are there any decent closed-loop no maintenance systems for GPUs like the H50 cooler for CPUs from corsair?

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    Re:vcore, safe to keep at max(1.138) or try and keep as low as possible? + Other Questions Friday, November 26, 2010 10:01 PM (permalink)
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    Oh I definitely ran EVGA OC Scan to overload the card, but sometimes I'd get decently stable short runs with the OC scanner, but 2 seconds into Vantage it would crash.

    I'm not gonna go with a homebrew watercooling solution, but are there any decent closed-loop no maintenance systems for GPUs like the H50 cooler for CPUs from corsair?

     
    CoolIT has some but they're ridiculously overpriced and inferior to aftermarket air coolers which can be just as quiet.  If you don't mind your card occupying three expansion slots, I recommend the Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme Plus but it only increases VREG temps compared to the stock cooler.  Thermalright has the best GPU cooler, the Shaman, which cools the core at least as good as the Accelero Xtreme Plus, is more quiet at full speed (one 140mm fan vs three 92mm fans) and cools the VREG much better.  Alternatively, you can remove the fan shroud on your GTX 580 and zip tie a fan or fans directly to the heat sink.  This will help temps a lot.  


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