i heard that nvidia and evga are using covid as an excuse to create artificial scarcity and raise prices of GPUs. though tbh i rather give an inflated price to EVGA than to scalpers cos then i can get warranty and stuff and I hate scalpers on principle so i dont have a problem with them raising prices though i do think its fishy that they are doing it with artificial scarcity and the whole 'silicon shortage' nonsense just to get people used to paying 900 bucks for a 700 dollar card and feel like they got a good deal. Corporate psychology at it's finest 👌
 
Just taking L after L with best buy and other websites are literally sold out the second they come in stock.
 
Do you think 40 series will drop before this madness ends? will this just be how GPUs are from now on?
 
I signed up for all the 3080 cards though i was late, like i signed up a month ago so you think i will probably not get a 30 series card?
 
 

I thought I had seen it all, but then I saw some guy say that people in Syria experience less mental trauma than people who can’t buy a graphics card.

I guess car manufacturers are in on this with Nvidia and other tech companies to just pretend there's a silicon shortage. All so they can raise prices a bit instead of sell millions of additional units and keep their customers and industry partners happy.
 
We've gone from the information age to the conspiracy theory age. People just believe whatever BS sounds good to them and pretend all information to the contrary is a lie. It's legit scary. 

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Flint 1760

sentinala
i heard that nvidia and evga are using covid as an excuse to create artificial scarcity and raise prices of GPUs. though tbh i rather give an inflated price to EVGA than to scalpers cos then i can get warranty and stuff and I hate scalpers on principle so i dont have a problem with them raising prices though i do think its fishy that they are doing it with artificial scarcity and the whole 'silicon shortage' nonsense just to get people used to paying 900 bucks for a 700 dollar card and feel like they got a good deal. Corporate psychology at it's finest 👌

Let's go through this one more time.  The pandemic crisis shut down a lot of things including chip production fabs.  The chip shortage is very real across the entire industrial base and has affected every industry, i.e., go try to buy a mid level vehicle with the normal upgrades.  Chip usage has increased exponentially over the last two decades and is still increasing and then the pandemic hits.  Chips are the new oil.
 
How were computer components affected?  Work/school/entertainment became home based and people realized that their old systems were not cutting it and they started upgrading and this created an unprecedented demand, including for GPUs, which could not be met because there wasn't enough production because of the pandemic and the lack of production capability.
 
Remember NVIDIA and AMD try to forecast what they need and those are translated into production positions at the fabs.  This is usually done way in advance because fab production positions are negotiated by every industry requiring chips.  Now the pandemic hits and you realize you need more chips.  Sorry about that, you go to the back of the queue until your next production run.  No other industry requiring chips is going to give up their position.  There is an ongoing effort to build new fabs, but once the first shovel goes in the ground, it will be two to three years before the new fabs are producing.
 
NVIDIA receives the chips and allocates them to their AIBs, such as EVGA.  EVGA in turn can only produce, and sell what it has been allocated.  EVGA is the only AIB still selling direct to consumers at MSRP (Zotac is the only other AIB still selling GPUs direct, but at close to scalper prices).  EVGA, through their contract as an AIB and other contractual obligations, must sell to their authorized resellers.  They can not abrogate those contracts and stay in business.
 
You are badly misinformed if you think this is "an excuse to create artificial scarcity and raise prices of GPU" and "the whole 'silicon shortage' nonsense just to get people used to paying 900 bucks for a 700 dollar card."  
 
The $900 card you mentioned is going to get more expensive as double digit inflation is starting to raise its ugly head.
 
 

Well said.

agreed

All semiconductors and the fact that everything needs them now. And they all need to be cutting edge design.

sentinalalike i signed up a month ago so you think i will probably not get a 30 series card? 

You are going to be waiting a long time. 

I am still in the queue for a 3080 and i entered the queue about 10 days after release. 9 months waiting. I got lucky and got a 3080Ti. Still staying in the queue to help a friend out get any 30-series card though. 

You're better off waiting for 40-series IMO
 

It won't get much better until LHR cards are all over the place.  ROI right now on a 3080 at $800 is still sitting around 5 months, which is a solid ROI.

   Chips are scarce , look at how the car market has no or very little cars to sell and everyone is holding on to used motor vehicles . No chips/ or very few trickling through when Micro Center has 1 RTX 3080 Ti for $1999.99 it has to be bad if at some point factorys catch up to demand again we can only hope the prices go down. If they dont well glad I have my old GTX 1060 on the shelf because any mid range card ie; 3060 4060 5060 wont get more than $399.00 outta me.
      Just saw this on Amazon looks like a "scalper" price to me and it says its $819 from the EVGA store. 
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things are definitely not getting better

Flint 1760

sentinala
i heard that nvidia and evga are using covid as an excuse to create artificial scarcity and raise prices of GPUs. though tbh i rather give an inflated price to EVGA than to scalpers cos then i can get warranty and stuff and I hate scalpers on principle so i dont have a problem with them raising prices though i do think its fishy that they are doing it with artificial scarcity and the whole 'silicon shortage' nonsense just to get people used to paying 900 bucks for a 700 dollar card and feel like they got a good deal. Corporate psychology at it's finest 👌

Let's go through this one more time.  The pandemic crisis shut down a lot of things including chip production fabs.  The chip shortage is very real across the entire industrial base and has affected every industry, i.e., go try to buy a mid level vehicle with the normal upgrades.  Chip usage has increased exponentially over the last two decades and is still increasing and then the pandemic hits.  Chips are the new oil.
 
How were computer components affected?  Work/school/entertainment became home based and people realized that their old systems were not cutting it and they started upgrading and this created an unprecedented demand, including for GPUs, which could not be met because there wasn't enough production because of the pandemic and the lack of production capability.
 
Remember NVIDIA and AMD try to forecast what they need and those are translated into production positions at the fabs.  This is usually done way in advance because fab production positions are negotiated by every industry requiring chips.  Now the pandemic hits and you realize you need more chips.  Sorry about that, you go to the back of the queue until your next production run.  No other industry requiring chips is going to give up their position.  There is an ongoing effort to build new fabs, but once the first shovel goes in the ground, it will be two to three years before the new fabs are producing.
 
NVIDIA receives the chips and allocates them to their AIBs, such as EVGA.  EVGA in turn can only produce, and sell what it has been allocated.  EVGA is the only AIB still selling direct to consumers at MSRP (Zotac is the only other AIB still selling GPUs direct, but at close to scalper prices).  EVGA, through their contract as an AIB and other contractual obligations, must sell to their authorized resellers.  They can not abrogate those contracts and stay in business.
 
You are badly misinformed if you think this is "an excuse to create artificial scarcity and raise prices of GPUs" and "the whole 'silicon shortage' nonsense just to get people used to paying 900 bucks for a 700 dollar card."  
 
The $900 card you mentioned is going to get more expensive as double digit inflation is starting to raise its ugly head.
 
 

Lol if you're going to be a corporate shill at least try to be more low key about it. Just look at nvidias production and profit numbers this gen vs last. The scarcity is 100% artifical. God it's like every forum is reddit now. 1 person types some BS in a decorative manner and all the apes are like "oh yeah thats right well said brother!"

sentinala
 
 
Lol if you're going to be a corporate shill at least try to be more low key about it. Just look at nvidias production and profit numbers this gen vs last. The scarcity is 100% artifical. God it's like every forum is reddit now. 1 person types some BS in a decorative manner and all the apes are like "oh yeah thats right well said brother!"

The level of ignorance here is mind boggling... I work with the worlds largest foundry, NVidias production and profits are up because the chip costs are up and everything is sold out, and they've bought their way into more production from secondary facilities to try and keep up with demand and still can't do it, because other high powered players are also trying to do this, including AMD.  The demand right now from foundries in general is like nothing we've ever seen.  The supply chain, not even just in the chip industry is under the worst strain in history right now.  This isn't specific to tech.  Textiles, metal, chemical substrates, films, raw minerals it's all under extreme demand.  Basic things we took for granted pre-COVID have to be mass ordered way in advance now.  As an example we use a special grade of steel for part of the manufacturing process, I could order it by the ton and get it in 3-5 days.  Now, I have to order 10+ tons at a time because it takes 3-5 months to get, so we're having to hold massive amounts of inventory of raw materials and manufacturing components to try and have everything on hand to produce something when the slowest component arrives to complete the product.
 
On top of that, this is a ripple effect.  In one plant we make golf carts, we'll order 5,000 seats from a supply company, and they'll ship us 800 with no estimate of when the other 4200 are coming and we don't even know what 800 we're going to get, what colors/materials, nothing.  Just 800 of the 5000 randomly show up and then we have to try and piece things together to get a cart built.  Compound that with nearly every single component in the cart suffering from this situation and you have 6-12 month delays to build a cart because you're waiting on one part or one piece to finish it.  It's the same for nearly every single thing that goes out of the factories from complex motors to simple materials like glass, you name it, they are all suffering from this situation.
 
People say, oh well just build more factories or foundries, sure that's great and billions of dollars are going into that right now except there's another problem.  Those facilities are having difficulty getting the construction materials to build them so they are seeing extreme delays too pushing this problem even further down the road.  We were half way through building a new factory when COVID hit, supply dried up, demand went through the roof and ordering something as simple as an electrical outlet took 16 weeks to get, that basic $2 item you could buy at any Home Depot now was unavailable, anywhere, for literally months.  Want copper wire so you can have electricity?  Good luck, 12 weeks minimum to get anything.
 
COVID has completely re-shaped how people operate, conduct business, and manufacture.  It's put teams through extreme pressures to try and find new solutions but at the end of the day, right now, demand is just far higher than supply across the board.
 
That combined with a work force that is on a major decline in their desire to work, and wages going up just to entice people to work makes for one incredible economic mess.  Jobs I had a waiting list of people wanting to do pre-COVID, I've had reqs open for months and can't get people hired, even after raising wages a notable amount to entice them, providing sign on bonuses, more time off, etc it's making little difference in the hiring pipeline.
 
Feel free to call me a corporate shill, it bothers me none... I live and breath this reality every single day and have since it started and it's been the most challenging year I've ever been in business.

Veratu

sentinala
 
 
Lol if you're going to be a corporate shill at least try to be more low key about it. Just look at nvidias production and profit numbers this gen vs last. The scarcity is 100% artifical. God it's like every forum is reddit now. 1 person types some BS in a decorative manner and all the apes are like "oh yeah thats right well said brother!"

The level of ignorance here is mind boggling... I work with the worlds largest foundry, NVidias production and profits are up because the chip costs are up and everything is sold out, and they've bought their way into more production from secondary facilities to try and keep up with demand and still can't do it, because other high powered players are also trying to do this, including AMD.  The demand right now from foundries in general is like nothing we've ever seen.  The supply chain, not even just in the chip industry is under the worst strain in history right now.  This isn't specific to tech.  Textiles, metal, chemical substrates, films, raw minerals it's all under extreme demand.  Basic things we took for granted pre-COVID have to be mass ordered way in advance now.  As an example we use a special grade of steel for part of the manufacturing process, I could order it by the ton and get it in 3-5 days.  Now, I have to order 10+ tons at a time because it takes 3-5 months to get, so we're having to hold massive amounts of inventory of raw materials and manufacturing components to try and have everything on hand to produce something when the slowest component arrives to complete the product.
 
On top of that, this is a ripple effect.  In one plant we make golf carts, we'll order 5,000 seats from a supply company, and they'll ship us 800 with no estimate of when the other 4200 are coming and we don't even know what 800 we're going to get, what colors/materials, nothing.  Just 800 of the 5000 randomly show up and then we have to try and piece things together to get a cart built.  Compound that with nearly every single component in the cart suffering from this situation and you have 6-12 month delays to build a cart because you're waiting on one part or one piece to finish it.  It's the same for nearly every single thing that goes out of the factories from complex motors to simple materials like glass, you name it, they are all suffering from this situation.
 
People say, oh well just build more factories or foundries, sure that's great and billions of dollars are going into that right now except there's another problem.  Those facilities are having difficulty getting the construction materials to build them so they are seeing extreme delays too pushing this problem even further down the road.  We were half way through building a new factory when COVID hit, supply dried up, demand went through the roof and ordering something as simple as an electrical outlet took 16 weeks to get, that basic $2 item you could buy at any Home Depot now was unavailable, anywhere, for literally months.  Want copper wire so you can have electricity?  Good luck, 12 weeks minimum to get anything.
 
COVID has completely re-shaped how people operate, conduct business, and manufacture.  It's put teams through extreme pressures to try and find new solutions but at the end of the day, right now, demand is just far higher than supply across the board.
 
That combined with a work force that is on a major decline in their desire to work, and wages going up just to entice people to work makes for one incredible economic mess.  Jobs I had a waiting list of people wanting to do pre-COVID, I've had reqs open for months and can't get people hired, even after raising wages a notable amount to entice them, providing sign on bonuses, more time off, etc it's making little difference in the hiring pipeline.
 
Feel free to call me a corporate shill, it bothers me none... I live and breath this reality every single day and have since it started and it's been the most challenging year I've ever been in business.

but it doesnt make sense. why are people buying more things then pre-covid. it is not like they are getting richer even with low interest rates. 
it is almost 2 years since covid, surely the demand has stopped

I really hope it's getting better. I need a new card but nothing is available or affordable in the Netherlands.