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Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:06 AM (permalink)
Hi , I want to ask you about the EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra. I currently have an ASUS TUF 3080 OC and I am constantly limited with the Power Limit and even without reaching a Shunt modification or going to WaterCooling I’d like not to be so limited. I will pull the trigger just for the for the memory, 10GB is not enough so I am about to buy a 3090 this week. Without opening a debate because I’m in an EVGA forum, I am between the ROG Strix OC and the FTW3 Ultra. From what I see the EVGA has an excellent vBIOS for OC that drives the board to 450W and I also see very good reviews.
However I want to know what are the main issues. Whay really scares me is that some cards died in a very short time. I read about this issue could be if they were built in Taiwan or Chine. Is there a way by the serial number to identify if the card belong to a bad batch? I also read about Coil Whine, what is that?  Having a 3080, the truth is that I am surprised that this type of error happens, where do they come from, I mean, what causes it?
I hope you can help me with some advises if you had to choose between these two cards and if the EVGA leads 3090 for sustained OC? I mean, I read that many of you reach 2100Mhz stable. I don't care much about energy efficiency if I have better performance. Yes I do care about the temperatures, but I see that this does not exceed 72C with OC and Stock fans. Again, the think that really scares me is the issue that some cards die, and because I’m based in South America, managing the warranty and RMA process it is a little bit harder than the rest of the world..
This is my config. I think it would be fine regarding the PSU:
 
PSU: EVGA Supernova G3 850 Gold (NEW)
Actually with the TUF and all the components I’m not reaching 650W.. So I think with the EVGA with the 450 vBIOS would be fine. What do you think?
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Sunday, December 13, 2020 6:49 AM (permalink)
    Get the EVGA card. 
     
    What is coil whine? https://www.evga.com/supp...nts%20on%20the%20card.
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:36 AM (permalink)
    I have the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra. This card has a power balancing issue that causes it to use too much power from the PCI-E slot relative to the 8-pin power connectors. This means you're very unlikely to see anything close to the 500W limit because the individual limit for the PCI-E slot will be reached first. For the same price, I would just get the Strix OC instead.
     
    I really like EVGA as a company, but the 3090 FTW3 specifically is a bit of a let down.
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Sunday, December 13, 2020 12:37 AM (permalink)
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    I have the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra. This card has a power balancing issue that causes it to use too much power from the PCI-E slot relative to the 8-pin power connectors. This means you're very unlikely to see anything close to the 500W limit because the individual limit for the PCI-E slot will be reached first. For the same price, I would just get the Strix OC instead.
     
    I really like EVGA as a company, but the 3090 FTW3 specifically is a bit of a let down.


    Yes, I saw some videos from a guy who is screaming to boycott Evga 3090. What I don’t understand if the card do something like load balancing the power or as you said it consume more PCIE Express power and limit the 8 pin voltage. The first thing what I see about this card is the vBIOS that enable 450w what I guess is most than enough for a nice and stable OC. I don’t even know if 470 or even 500w are stable for gaining or is only for benchmarking.

    In my country the strix cost mor than 200usd compared to the evga. The strix appear to be the best however I don’t know if it justifies this difference for this limitation. Again, my only concern is the stability and the RMA ratio. I read about cards that dies in days or even months. That does worry me . Also If the card is unstable with the vBIOS of 450 or 470.. I guess I will pay for the strix. I really like the EVGA and his strategy of releasing new BIOS. Asus has only one firmware with very good OC and Power delivery from fabric. I am really confused about this decision.

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:51 PM (permalink)
    There is nothing wrong with the EVGA card from a stability or quality standpoint from what I can tell. The issue is that it overclocks significantly worse than comparable cards like the Strix due to the power balance issue. Many people with the EVGA 3090 FTW3 have trouble getting above 420-430W overall power consumption due to the PCI-E slot individual power limit being reached long before the overall power limit. The "500W" BIOS will do nothing in this case because it raises the overall limit, not the PCI-E slot limit.
     
    If you don't value overclocking performance as much I would recommend the Nvidia FE or the Asus TUF cards to save a bit of money.

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 0:05 PM (permalink)
    Thanks @jedi95. One of the reason to change my 3080 TUF for a 3090 is the VRAM capacity but also I want to fix the power limit that I have with the two input power. I do like to overclock and having a good benchmark. I would pay more for OC. Reviewing all the 3090 I found that evga was the only brand that is releasing constant bios updates that is valuable for me. Reaching 420/430 is not so bad compared to other brands and is still far from the strix. Again I have to decide between the two cards because I’m going to buy one this week. I have 200usd of difference.. if the EVGA is solid, I mean it last and don’t die in few months, it is a solid option. I really don’t understand this crazy man trying to doble shunt each line of power besides to single shunt PCI express. It appears that have something against the brand. is it really a manufacturing problem? Could it be that the brand produces a BIOS that just exposes this limitation and that this BIOS applied to other boards like the trio works well? I don’t want to be frustrated again with the power limit but I know with 420/430 is more than enough for a good sustained performance. I mean, can the FTW3 support 2100mhz in games? for example in cyberpunk? Can it run furmark for 8hs with that frequency while maintaining an acceptable temperature (70c)? if so, I will consider it..

    Thanks for your advises. I coming here to receive your advises to support my decision. For any of you that have this card, if you have to buy it again, would ir buying again? would you pay +200 for the strix?
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 0:58 PM (permalink)
    Keep in mind, you are on EVGA forum, most guys will be biased towards other board partners so you should do a good research before pulling trigger on either of the cards.
    post edited by AWK16 - Monday, December 14, 2020 1:13 AM
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 1:28 AM (permalink)
    Keep in mind, these cards are both severely limited BY NVIDIA on the hardware level.  Both the Strix & FTW3 have "workaround" BIOSes that help out with that, but I believe the Strix has the better "unlocked" BIOS in terms of if you really want to push the clocks & what not.  The 3090 FTW3 Ultra is by no means a "bad" card, and in fact it's on the upper end of OCing capability in most reviews, but it's not "that" much better than most of the others.  And the Strix is supposed to be better at it.
    I'm saying this as someone that has a 3090 FTW3 Hybrid on the way (arriving tomorrow), so my bias level is not nothing, but I'm pretty impartial I think.

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 1:33 AM (permalink)
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    I have the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra. This card has a power balancing issue that causes it to use too much power from the PCI-E slot relative to the 8-pin power connectors. This means you're very unlikely to see anything close to the 500W limit because the individual limit for the PCI-E slot will be reached first. For the same price, I would just get the Strix OC instead.
     
    I really like EVGA as a company, but the 3090 FTW3 specifically is a bit of a let down.




     
    And I am sure they had all of the proper professional testing equipment to actually do the testing right?
     
    I will get leave this right here.
     
     

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 1:48 AM (permalink)
    He is not always accurate, but this one might give you some perspective on both of the cards. 
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn-YiFQHsk
     
    If you go to overclocker.net to 3090 section, there are guys that talk about both cards, take your time searching through threads, It will help you decide what might be worth of consideration.
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 1:57 AM (permalink)
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    Although, I don't think all his test are accurate, but this one hold a lot of what some guys looking for :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn-YiFQHsk
     
    If you go to overclocker.net to 3090 section, there are guys that talk about both cards, take your time searching through threads, It will help you decide what might be worth of consideration.




     
    NOPE, GPUZ... Not accurate.
     
     

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 2:00 AM (permalink)
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    Although, I don't think all his test are accurate, but this one hold a lot of what some guys looking for :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn-YiFQHsk
     
    If you go to overclocker.net to 3090 section, there are guys that talk about both cards, take your time searching through threads, It will help you decide what might be worth of consideration.




     
    NOPE, GPUZ... Not accurate.
     
     


    Go to overclocer.net I'm sure you will find thread that they talk about that and see if its not accurate
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 2:01 AM (permalink)
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    Although, I don't think all his test are accurate, but this one hold a lot of what some guys looking for :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn-YiFQHsk
     
    If you go to overclocker.net to 3090 section, there are guys that talk about both cards, take your time searching through threads, It will help you decide what might be worth of consideration.




     
    NOPE, GPUZ... Not accurate.
     
     


    Go to overclocer.net, I'm sure you will find thread that they talk about that and see if its not accurate




     
    It's not...
     
    All it does if give a rough estimate at best.

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 2:16 AM (permalink)
    That what I said, most guys her will be biased and instead us going back and forth to prove nothing, best is to go and read through some of these threads and see what actually guys that have both of these cards have to say (I already Know)
     
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Monday, December 14, 2020 2:23 AM (permalink)
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    That what I said, most guys her will be biased and instead us going back and forth to prove nothing, best is to go and read through some of these threads and see what actually guys that have both of these cards have to say (I already Know)
     
    End of discussion




     
    I don't care one way of the other of what the card does.
     
    I do know that GPUZ or the other SW programs aren't THAT accurate in comparison to a direct HW connection and readings from equipment.
     
     
    post edited by jankerson - Monday, December 14, 2020 2:34 AM

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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Friday, December 18, 2020 0:41 PM (permalink)
    I'm 100% sure about the PCI-E slot power balance issue on the 3090 FTW3. I soldered a second 5 mohm shunt on top of the existing one for the PCI-E slot power rail. This reduces the measured power to half of the actual value, which effectively doubles the maximum power limit for that input. Doing this alone completely resolved the issues with the overall power limit not being reached. The boost clock I'm seeing now is much higher and more consistent. I got a max slot power of 49W shown in GPU-Z post mod, so ~98W actual.
     
    Keep in mind that the "Board power draw" is reading lower than the actual value. The actual max should be around ~530-540W here.
    (The PCI-E slot reads half the actual value. The real total can be obtained by adding the PCI-E slot reading to the reported total)
     

     
    Notice that the 8-pin inputs are also now reaching their individual ~150W power limits.
     
    Before anyone asks why do this instead of buying another card: I'm going to run the GPU in a chilled water loop and even 500W is not enough to fully take advantage of it. No unmodified 3090 has a high enough limit for this use case. I don't want to see any power limiting ever. 5 mohm shunts for all the input rails should result in ~1000W effective power limit. (which won't be possible to hit on ambient or near ambient cooling) I might try a KPE 3090 as well at some point if there is evidence of it clocking significantly better when power limits are completely removed from the equation.
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    Re: New EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra Advise Friday, December 18, 2020 0:48 PM (permalink)
    You do know that's NOT accurate right?
     
    People are putting a lot of confidence in a free software problem.

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