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Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:39 PM
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So i had a rock solid stable oc on my FTW at 600/140. Then i dropped it to 125 since I didnt see any improvement. Well i instealled my amd setup and my numbers dropped. I think it needs tweeaking on the processor side and thats fine. But what I cant explain is why my 3080 keeps crashing and freezing. Even at low ocs such as 75mhz 0 memory.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:47 PM
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Games crashing, freezing, going to desktop without warning, blue screens, and DirecX failure message (w/ crash), are all symptoms of a bad overclock, bad power supply, failing memory, driver issues, and video card issues. Unfortunately, moving from a 9700k to a 5800x introduced multiple new points of failure, so you'll have to test everything individually. The first place I'd start is on the driver front. If you did NOT reformat your hard drive to fresh upon the motherboard/processor change, I'd bet a billion dollars that's the issue. Latent Intel drivers, sound card drivers, etc. will haunt that system until you reformat completely if you haven't done so. If you have, remove any overclock, PBO settings, etc. from your system. If you used the Ryzen memory calculator, go back to default clocks on XMP. Run Memtest for your RAM to see if they are okay. You've got a long way to go before ruling it out to be your video card (unfortunately).
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:51 PM
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Sounds like memory errors. Also, be sure to upgrade MB AGESA to patch C version. Try setting memory manually instead of using XMP. Did you do a fresh Windows install after changing out components? Sometimes you have to when changing brands of MB/CPU. Just is what it is.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Sunday, November 15, 2020 1:53 PM
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Going to need full specs before passing judgement, but it sounds to me like it could be unstable memory settings (which others have suggested ways to help fix), unstable OC on the CPU, or a power supply issue where it had enough power for the old system but not the new one. If you need an example of what information to give, my signature is a good one.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:14 PM
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Seemed better when i switched bios, but went from the 118% to 118% bios. WAs the same. Not even the big ones, could try factory power level bios too I guess. I'm new to Amd. Sure my 9700k ran 5ghz all day with no issues... but ive always been an intel guy. I took a leap on the AMD bandwagon ... regret it already lol. Overall dropping performance. Biggest crash is during loading of the different tests on 3dmark. This was a fresh windows install as well. The memory is older but still should be ok. Ill try the xmp settings first everything else on the mobo is factory. Guess ill start with my ram. CPU: zen 3 AMD 5800X MB: ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO RAM: 2X8GB 15 CAS CORSAIR VENGEANCE 3000MHZ ( factory mobo clocks also trying back n forth with xmp Video Card: eVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra @ 1980MHz 875mv, or + 125 core +600 vRAM +118% PL max voltage slider 1000W PSU gold cooler master, about 4-5 years old.
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Seemed better when i used a different set of bios but still crashing when I try to hi
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Sunday, November 15, 2020 2:17 PM
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You will not know if the memory is okay until you run memtest. Don't avoid that step.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 0:41 PM
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I have a sneaking suspicion its a dx12 issue. dx12 crashes dx11 doesnt.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 1:40 AM
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Power supply upgrade on the horizon.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 11:54 AM
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Its 100% an issue with dx12. MY dx12 games seem fine. When I use the in game benches they dont seem to crash. But anything outside of games crashes. IE 3dmark timespy wont even load. Even the ryzen amd master software wont load. It's a dx12 thing, it just crashes or freezes.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 12:31 AM
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Well confirmed the problem. Its actually EVGA Precision ... When I close it everything runs fine. As per 3dmark supports suggestion .. lol man even amd tuning utility works now. Back to afterburner we go.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 12:42 AM
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Give an update in a day or two ... if the new system stays stable
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 1:15 PM
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Yup will do. The other thing is so far my 5800X stock is slower in games than my 5ghz 9700k. Now i am using 3000mhz cl15 ram. 2x8. I think that might be the issue. Upped it to 3200, was as far as it would go with tighter timings and picked up a bit. But not much. 3600 cl16 32gb samsung bdie kit on the way.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 1:25 PM
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Record your testing including room & hardware temps ... I'm sure your results of OC & RAM will help many Forums members
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 1:57 PM
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Not surprised precision was the issue... has always been a terrible piece of software. Afterburner ftw.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 4:18 PM
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But afterburner hasn't been updated to fix the fan issue, has it?
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 4:28 PM
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pixelcowboy But afterburner hasn't been updated to fix the fan issue, has it?
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 4:29 PM
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Yeah I'm only hating on Precision because it used to hang my computer for 30-60 seconds everytime I turned it on. Been using afterburner for years without issues, works fine for me as I don't have any fans to control :P
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Monday, November 16, 2020 4:34 PM
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turbotincan Yup will do. The other thing is so far my 5800X stock is slower in games than my 5ghz 9700k. Now i am using 3000mhz cl15 ram. 2x8. I think that might be the issue. Upped it to 3200, was as far as it would go with tighter timings and picked up a bit. But not much. 3600 cl16 32gb samsung bdie kit on the way.
You could actually see a good increase in performance by using a 4x set of RAM. It seems the 5000 series CPUs like all dimms to be full. You can check out more info about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:39 PM
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So with the new ram all my benchmarks in 3dmark went up quite a bit.. The 3600mhz 32gb helped. Clocked them to 3800 and the numbers jumped some more. Big differences in aida64 as well. The bad. After all this tweaking im now basically from an FPS perspective where i was with my 5ghz 9700k. I think the ram is good, ill start on cpu overclocking next. But i assumed this is where ill stay. I dont see it upping fps more. All those tests were done in 1080p, i did mine in 1440p and well .. .its not shocking but I think I should of saved my money and kept my 9700k. I still have it and could probably sell all my amd gear. But frankly, ill probably stay amd.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:45 PM
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I did want to add though. the 9700k in watch dogs running DLSS was capped out at 100% where as the ryzen is at about 60.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Friday, November 20, 2020 1:10 AM
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Like others said, memory affects PCI-E 4.0 components, it says on my Mobo if you apply XMP, there's a warning.
Test your GPU with the default memory settings with a defaulted Mobo. Or test it with GEN 3 (PCI-E 3.0) settings.
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Friday, November 20, 2020 1:43 AM
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I dont think im following. I'm on a pcie 4 board, with a pcie 4 card. If i run the xmp settings that is bad? So i should just default the board, up fclk to 1900, memory to 3800 and add timings and ram in manually?
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Re: upgrade from 9700k to 5800x caused instability
Friday, November 20, 2020 3:15 AM
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turbotincan I dont think im following. I'm on a pcie 4 board, with a pcie 4 card. If i run the xmp settings that is bad? So i should just default the board, up fclk to 1900, memory to 3800 and add timings and ram in manually?
No, it's not that it's bad, but my motherboard gave a warning that certain RAM voltages (there's a few, VSOC, VDDP, etc) can cause instability with a PCI-E 4.0 card. If you do notice issues with your GPU, you can try switching to 3.0 on your motherboard setting and see if those issues persist. If they do, then it's not the memory. Just one of the orders to eliminate what can cause issues, that's all. https://www.reddit.com/r/...and_dram_oc_stability/
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