This is why I still plan to upgrade from my 980 to a 1070/1080 cause it's sad that the 2K Series is coming off as a dumpster fire for Nvidia. At this point the 2K Series doesn't seem like a viable tech to invest money in.

The most disappointing part, in my opinion, is how little visible difference there is in side by side comparison between ray tracing and traditional lighting in BF5. The traditional lighting "tricks" are very good and more efficient.

I think it more of shows DiCE rushed to support ray tracing on the RTX line before they had fully tested it. To find going into a forest area caused a large drop in frame rates seems like they didn’t really do any real in house testing and pretty much expected the players to do the testing.

Brad_Hawthorne
 early access video cards and early access render pipelines. #facepalm

  HA HA  , so true  - yet so sad   at the same time.

fearpoint

Brad_Hawthorne
Just an observation....the same people railing against early access games on Steam are white knighting early access RTX. We have graduated from early access games to early access video cards and early access render pipelines. #facepalm

You calling me out?
 

Nope, but if the shirt fits, wear it if you like. That's all on you if you identify with my comment. You might be surprised, but random internet comments on forums are not always about you.
Generally speaking though, how successful products work is that one needs to make something customers want that works well. RTX is a case of a feature customers did not ask for and is not working in an optimal manner. No amount of fanatic opinions rationalizing those issues will resolve that problem for Nvidia. When a company deviates from the formula for success, even someone as big as Nvidia will have problems. Shockingly, there are many new features in the RTX series that are groundbreaking and on target for meeting the goal of requested features and works well, but Nvidia in their infinite marketing wisdom did not even market those new features publicly. This is what happens when marketing narrative drives your sales and not customer interest. It becomes an 80/20 Pareto principle issue when you have to spend all your time explaining why someone would want something instead of actually just making a product people are asking for. It's just bad business practice.

Killmur

Brad_Hawthorne

fearpoint

Brad_Hawthorne
Just an observation....the same people railing against early access games on Steam are white knighting early access RTX. We have graduated from early access games to early access video cards and early access render pipelines. #facepalm

You calling me out?
 

Nope, but if the shirt fits, wear it if you like. That's all on you if you identify with my comment. You might be surprised, but random internet comments on forums are not always about you.
Generally speaking though, how successful products work is that one needs to make something customers want that works well. RTX is a case of a feature customers did not ask for and is not working in an optimal manner. No amount of fanatic opinions rationalizing those issues will resolve that problem for Nvidia. When a company deviates from the formula for success, even someone as big as Nvidia will have problems. Shockingly, there are many new features in the RTX series that are groundbreaking and on target for meeting the goal of requested features and works well, but Nvidia in their infinite marketing wisdom did not even market those new features publicly. This is what happens when marketing narrative drives your sales and not customer interest. It becomes an 80/20 Pareto principle issue when you have to spend all your time explaining why someone would want something instead of actually just making a product people are asking for. It's just bad business practice.

Same can be said for DX11 and 12. It's sad that both are still to this day underutilized in game development and worse off are poorly implemented later on in a game's life. WoW is a recentlt perfect example of that. Prior to BfA launching Blizzard updated the game to require DX12 however it caused a massive poop storm in the community since it removed proper full screen mode and Blizzard's excuse was that it was due to several flaws in DX12.

I see some pretty atrocious things going on with game rendering in the last few years where they claim it's full screen but it's just boarder-less windowed mode. The problem with that is it messes up a bunch of hardware acceleration options for Nvidia and AMD, breaking things like SLI and Crossfire because they're rendering it through some hybrid bastardized mixture of DX12 and the desktop render pipeline that Microsoft keeps changing the back end mechanics of every 6 months now with Windows as a service paradigm with Windows 10.

LACK OF RAY TRACING still in shadow of the tomb raider for RTX cards

2x 1080SC dx 12 sli
1440P 90--120FPS
1080P 115-135FPS
4K Great

All games new after card came out
12 GAMES ALL MAX SINCE 2016
Im staying put 699x2 was great sale first out