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Is it possible to flash the bios of a 1080Ti DT FTW3 to a 1080Ti FTW3?
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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As Saijin said. It's easy, and what's more EVGA have kept dual bios (used to be common, but not so much now) so even if someone somehow screws it up (unlikely) there is another bios that's as easy as switching one tiny switch by the 2x8pin power connectors. Done! FYI, both BIOSes are fully functional, some people like myself switch to the second one (one switch and bingo!) It's called slave BIOS, main is called master.
Slave BIOS has a more agressive fan profile, and probably some small tweaks to performance too? But I don't know - better to ask Saijin.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Typically, the reason the FTW3 DT has the DT bios is because the card failed the FTW3 non DT testing. Be aware that you need to make sure to flash to bios two, or slave bios, so you can save the original. If the bios fails on that card, just use the stock bios.
Woth 99% of pascal cards, a bios makes very little difference since GPU Boost 3.0 pushes the card far beyond stock specifications. If the card cannot push far enough with the stock bios to exceed the FTW3 specs, then may end up wasting an hour or two of your life. Is it worth trying, absolutely. Just be aware that it could be a waste of time, then waste that time :-)
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Friday, June 01, 2018 6:33 AM
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Typically, the reason the FTW3 DT has the DT bios is because the card failed the FTW3 non DT testing. Be aware that you need to make sure to flash to bios two, or slave bios, so you can save the original. If the bios fails on that card, just use the stock bios.
Woth 99% of pascal cards, a bios makes very little difference since GPU Boost 3.0 pushes the card far beyond stock specifications. If the card cannot push far enough with the stock bios to exceed the FTW3 specs, then may end up wasting an hour or two of your life. Is it worth trying, absolutely. Just be aware that it could be a waste of time, then waste that time :-)
Interesting about why this happened. Good safe advice. EDIT: It's true that the BIOS won't make major changes. Voltage max for example is hard fixed to 1.093. No legit BIOS can change that. From first hand experience I am only totally sure that it can change the stock (for that BIOS) fan profile. Example, Master (main) BIOS on FTW3 has a zero fan rpm mode for low/lowish temps. With the second BIOS regardless of anything, the gpu fan will never totally stop. It sits at 18% or approx 580 - 600rpm. It ramps up a bit quicker too underload. It's also been said it allows more power draw and other things to increase performance slightly. Maybe so, but it's not something I've noticed, only the fan profile. I always use second (slave) BIOS as stopped fans make me nervous - for no logical reason!!
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Friday, June 01, 2018 9:15 PM
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Thanks for all the responses, one of my FTW3's is faulty it seems. If I set GPU clock offset @ -100mhz, it is stable as can be. (Also, the same applies to debug mode, stable) So flashing the DT bios won't limit boost clocks because the boost clock is controlled through GPU Boost 3.0 correct? EDIT: Also where would I find the DT bios? Checked TechPowerup, nada.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Friday, June 01, 2018 9:40 PM
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Thanks for all the responses, one of my FTW3's is faulty it seems. If I set GPU clock offset @ -100mhz, it is stable as can be. (Also, the same applies to debug mode, stable)
So flashing the DT bios won't limit boost clocks because the boost clock is controlled through GPU Boost 3.0 correct?
EDIT: Also where would I find the DT bios? Checked TechPowerup, nada.
If your card is artifacting you should just rma it as it will only get worse. Flashing the dt vbios to the card will change how the card boosts at default settings. Let me see if I can find the dt vbios...
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:10 AM
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Thanks for all the responses, one of my FTW3's is faulty it seems. If I set GPU clock offset @ -100mhz, it is stable as can be. (Also, the same applies to debug mode, stable)
So flashing the DT bios won't limit boost clocks because the boost clock is controlled through GPU Boost 3.0 correct?
EDIT: Also where would I find the DT bios? Checked TechPowerup, nada.
If your card is artifacting you should just rma it as it will only get worse. Flashing the dt vbios to the card will change how the card boosts at default settings. Let me see if I can find the dt vbios...
Hey Sajin, thanks for the link. Yeah it was pretty weird, no artifacting, temps were never beyond 70 degrees celsius under load, it would just hard lock or CTD. Switched PSU's, installed in other PC, nothing worked. Underclock GPU by 100mhz and its rock solid in furmark, time spy and firestrike stress test, hours of fortnite, destiny 2, battle front 2, etc. Regardless, already had my RMA approved so it will be getting sent back but I want to see if the DT bios does in fact mitigate the issue. Thanks again.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 12:22 AM
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Cant comment on stability just yet but the DT bios does seem to be affecting GPU Boost. Card will not go higher than 1860-1870. With stock factory bios the card would boost up to 1974-1999.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 12:27 AM
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... but the DT bios does seem to be affecting GPU Boost. Card will not go higher than 1860-1870. With stock factory bios the card would boost up to 1974-1999.
Does this surprise you for some reason?
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 12:48 AM
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... but the DT bios does seem to be affecting GPU Boost. Card will not go higher than 1860-1870. With stock factory bios the card would boost up to 1974-1999.
Does this surprise you for some reason?
I not exactly sure if I missed something? I have the FTW3 and the stock bios without any oc's etc typically functions as you state - (1974-1999) Without any alterations at stock, on both slave and master Bios. My card had it's one year party yesterday, I used to monitor a lot and I have never seen the card go higher that 2,012MHz on stock FTW3 BIOS. Your figures are totally normal, and what one would expect. There will always be slight differences, but my card is neither good or bad I would say. About 50% on the silicon lottery. Just to reiterate, those numbers you mention are totally normal, and match mine too.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 1:25 PM
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... but the DT bios does seem to be affecting GPU Boost. Card will not go higher than 1860-1870. With stock factory bios the card would boost up to 1974-1999.
Does this surprise you for some reason?
I not exactly sure if I missed something? I have the FTW3 and the stock bios without any oc's etc typically functions as you state - (1974-1999) Without any alterations
at stock, on both slave and master Bios. My card had it's one year party yesterday, I used to monitor a lot and I have never seen the card go higher that 2,012MHz on stock FTW3 BIOS.
Your figures are totally normal, and what one would expect. There will always be slight differences, but my card is neither good or bad I would say. About 50% on the silicon lottery.
Just to reiterate, those numbers you mention are totally normal, and match mine too.
Fully aware that they are normal, someone had mentioned that a different vBios wouldn't really affect clocks because GPU Boost would essentially determine what the card boost to. The stock FTW3 bios on my cards performs just like yours, boost to roughly 2ghz. The issue was that while troubleshooting some instability, I learned that one on my 1080Ti's cant handle the 'Factory OC' and was only stable if the GPU was underclocked with a -100mhz offset. That is why I asked about FTW3 DT bios, it has lower clocks than the FTW3 bios, coincidentally it is roughly 100mhz less. So while I was getting RMA setup, I was curious to see if the FTW3 DT bios flashed to my 'faulty' FTW3 would solve the problem in the same way that underclocking it manually did. I only posted the boost clocks after I flashed the DT bios because of another person's post in regards to GPU Boost 3.0 being more of a determining factor than the clocks coded in the corresponding bios.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 6:02 PM
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Ahh I see, I didn't realize that's what you mean't. Anyway never mind about that. All sorted.
So the question is has this worked? If it does, and it may well do, good thinking!
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 6:26 PM
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Ahh I see, I didn't realize that's what you mean't. Anyway never mind about that. All sorted.
So the question is has this worked? If it does, and it may well do, good thinking!
No worries, that's why I explained it lol. Don't want to get anyone's hopes up but so far so good. Have the DT vBios flashed on the slave bios of both 1080Ti's and am now stress testing them in SLI. Timespy extreme passed, Firestrike Ultra passed, Superposition stress test went 40 minutes before I canceled it and no crashes in any of the games that would lock up within minutes on factory bios. Will keep this post updated.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 6:35 PM
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Don't want to get anyone's hopes up but so far so good. Have the DT vBios flashed on the slave bios of both 1080Ti's and am now stress testing them in SLI. Timespy extreme passed, Firestrike Ultra passed, Superposition stress test went 40 minutes before I canceled it and no crashes in any of the games that would lock up within minutes on factory bios.
Cool! Now you know that you should use the warranty to replace your video cards; because they are obviously defective. You paid an extra $30 each for non-DT cards. On principle alone, you should not accept DT performance for a card which was sold for non-DT prices. Whether the shipping cost and hassle of warranty replacement makes it not worth your time, now that is up to you.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Saturday, June 02, 2018 9:24 PM
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Don't want to get anyone's hopes up but so far so good. Have the DT vBios flashed on the slave bios of both 1080Ti's and am now stress testing them in SLI. Timespy extreme passed, Firestrike Ultra passed, Superposition stress test went 40 minutes before I canceled it and no crashes in any of the games that would lock up within minutes on factory bios.
Cool! Now you know that you should use the warranty to replace your video cards; because they are obviously defective. You paid an extra $30 each for non-DT cards. On principle alone, you should not accept DT performance for a card which was sold for non-DT prices. Whether the shipping cost and hassle of warranty replacement makes it not worth your time, now that is up to you.
It's only one of them that is affected and it was already approved for RMA yesterday. Like I said earlier, I flashed the DT vBios more out of curiosity than necessity. Also, the DT vBios doesn't cripple the card, it simply has a lower core clock. (100mhz) Both cards still boost to ~1880mhz under load with the DT vBios. Pretty interesting nonetheless. Side note, correct me if I am wrong but the FTW3 DT was released a few months after the regular FTW3 right?
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Sunday, June 03, 2018 3:20 AM
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I cannot understand what is wrong with the factory defaults for a GTX 1080 Ti?
Even with a 4K panel the card is able to do it, but 8K is case for 4 way SLI
Now where are those dual GPU cards when you want them....
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Sunday, June 03, 2018 3:40 AM
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I cannot understand what is wrong with the factory defaults for a GTX 1080 Ti?
What do you mean?
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Sunday, June 03, 2018 3:42 AM
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I cannot understand what is wrong with the factory defaults for a GTX 1080 Ti?
What do you mean?
If a GTX 1080 Ti is not good enough, get 2 of them
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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I cannot understand what is wrong with the factory defaults for a GTX 1080 Ti?
What do you mean?
If a GTX 1080 Ti is not good enough, get 2 of them
Umm, what? He does have 2 of them. Are you perhaps saying the wrong nonsense in the wrong thread? His doesn't work at factory defaults and he had to underclock one of his video cards to stabilize it. It's faulty.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Exactly, he has 2. I'm clear on this thread now, but I was off track before too. Not blaming anyone in particular, but the first several posts weren't entirely clear what applies to what. Anyway, he has 2. One is eligble for RMA, but it works at a lower clock, hence bios chat. If it's RMAed is up to the OP. Not sure what I would do as it's performing below what it should by a bit, but RMA is a real lot of hassle. On principle - RMA. Individual - different strokes for different folks I guess. God, I hope that's right!! EDIT: If I had only one card, it would be RMAed. 2 cards, can't really say. OP, any decision of keep with DT Bios, or RMA?
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
Sunday, June 03, 2018 5:10 PM
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Honestly, think for now I will continue using them with DT bios. Have off this week so there will be tons of hours spent gaming and stress testing. Still well within 14 day RMA window so if anything pops up, I will send it in. Screenshot of cards running FurMark @3840x2160 w/8xMSAA. Both cards boost to ~1860-1880mhz, everything @ default settings except fan curve which is set @ aggressive.
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Re: Question in regards to bios flashing....
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Honestly, think for now I will continue using them with DT bios. Have off this week so there will be tons of hours spent gaming and stress testing. Still well within 14 day RMA window so if anything pops up, I will send it in. Screenshot of cards running FurMark @3840x2160 w/8xMSAA. Both cards boost to ~1860-1880mhz, everything @ default settings except fan curve which is set @ aggressive.
Sounds fair enough. Especially if you find any other even minor issue like a bit hotter than expected - something. Just due to the RMA window. Anyway, I have no doubt you will do that anyway. One thing to say: I have read, several times, that Furmark is an overly aggressive stress test. Some sites even refused to link to it for a while. No idea if they have since toned it down a bit, but the point is as it was/is the stress put on the GPU was way above anything remotely possible in gaming etc. I guess if it passes that it means very stable, on the other hand I stopped using it about 5 years ago due to potential damage. Moreover, it's just unrealistic. IMHO, a few runs through of firestrike extreme and time spy (dx12) followed by a 20 run special stress test 1x FS dx11&1xtimespy dx12, probably only with the paid versions? Plus some other different tool or two is easily enough for games and has served me 100% since Fermi. In case you don't know, the 20x run will run one portion of the 3DM test (of your choice) and monitor closely. If frame rate remains *above( see edit)* 97% for the whole time, it's solid according to future mark. I aim for a minimum of 98.5% which is pretty darn good for 20 heavy tests (no loading between, it's looped for continuous stress). I believe that's enough but add a heavy Heaven and Valley run too just incase. All in all doesn't take too long unless you repeat with many different levels of OC. I say this simply because this method has never failed me. If it does, I'll re look at my stress testing. Unless furmark has changed I would never use that though. It's a real card fryer and doesn't really serve a valid purpose (unless one wants to burn their card). That's me. I know some folks will disagree. That's fine too, good to debate these things in this forums as long as comments are not 100% opinion. Doesn't happen here, but people speaking of opinions as sound fact are bloody idiots.  Anyway - Congrats! I think you have managed this well, Dandigo!  Edit*----* should read: More than 97% consistent.
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