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All right folks, help me out here. You can see below in my signature, what I have in my current rig. I am set on upgrading to a GTX 1080, just not sure which version yet. My question is this. I have the upgrade everything and do a new build itch. Would it be worth the $ spent to upgrade to the following components: EVGA X99 FTW K Mobo Intel Core i7 6850 CPU Corsair H110i CPU Cooler 32 GB RAM ( Not sure yet on make or model) Basically am i going to see a huge performance jump? I've read all the bad stuff about X79 platform and have been lucky that mine has worked flawlessly for at least 3 years now. You guys tell me, should I pull the trigger and upgrade it all, or wait another year and just go with the Video card?
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:36 AM
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I would say, the GPU upgrade would probably net you the most performance at this point. but, if you have the finances and the want to upgrade why not. It's all dependent on what you want every user is different. How's that for no help? lol You could just upgrade the GPU and see how that does for you, then decide.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:59 AM
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Upgrading to a 6850 from a 3930K will increase minimum frame rates a little bit, and by extension average frame rates as well. I know this because I went from a X79 Dark with a 3930K, to a E5-1650V2 (4930K), to a X99 Classified with a 5820K. It isn't near a WOW level of improvement, but there is an improvement. Is it worth the huge cost for the performance gained? No it really wasn't for gaming, but if you have tons of money to throw at it (or away), why not? If you could use the money elsewhere, grabbing a used 4930K or a used 1650V2 (which is unlocked, I've got one @4.5GHz and it runs so much cooler than my 3930K did at 4.3GHz) might fit the bill even better. And if you are running 1333 or 1600MHz RAM, a set of used (or cheap new) 2133 or 2400MHz RAM will help out those minimum frame rates quite a bit in CPU bound games (I did some testing, and in RoTTR, 1333MHz RAM did drop average and minimum FPS considerably - 1600 did a little as well - compared to DDR3 2133MHz quad channel (dual channel hurt it a LOT more)). The H110i isn't really much of a cooling performance upgrade over the H100, unless you want to plug in that USB 3.0 header connector to monitor and control fan and pump speeds with Corsair's clunky software. Honestly, a good set of quiet yet powerful fans would be just as good, if not much better, of an upgrade for that H100 - the Noiseblocker Eloop fans are quite good - I have two 140mm (on my H115i, they are the NB-eLoop B14-3 fans (if you want PWM the B14-PS are but have lower CFM) and two 120mm fans (on my H55, they are the NB-eLoop B12-3 fans), all run at ~28dB at max speed, and they are just a quiet hum in the background. Even if you do decide on getting that H110i, I highly recommend replacing the fans. Those eLoops that I used to replaced my stock H115i fans have the same cooling performance that the stock fans had on full blast, yet are only slightly louder (which is still just a quiet background fan hum) at full blast than the stock fans were at 40% (the lowest they would go). The stock fans were VERY, VERY, VERY LOUD at full blast, and still loud in balanced mode when the CPU heated up. For RAM, I'd recommend trying 3200MHz because it doesn't require any BCLK increase like the 2800-3000 or higher than 3200 does. I've got my 2800MHz 64GB (8X8GB) of Corsair Dominator RAM running at 3200MHz with the standard 100 BCLK and it works great.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:44 AM
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IMHO there isn't much to gain from X79 to X99. Unless you doing heavily threaded work I would recommend staying with 79. Opposite to 99, 79 is much more proven platform. Considering huge cost involved there are better things to buy than whole, new, expensive Intel platform. Wait a bit for what Zen will show. It seems that Intel's 'happy times' with nil competition may be soon over or at least cut short. Even 5% of market lost that = millions of $. If Zen turn out to be smash-hit, Intel will be forced to cut prices, hard. 1723$ CPU that's big LOL of the year. From technical stand-point there is nothing X79 cannot do. Want bootable NVMe no problems, multi VGA configuration, advanced storage, whatever. It can do all of that. Also consider this. Older chipsets (up to X79) offer much, much better compatibility to hardware (especially legacy).
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 2:49 PM
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I would ONLY upgrade the GPU and add a M.2 PCIe SSD to the mix, that's if you have enough lanes for it. You should see a great improvement when leaving the capped SATA OS drive to M.2 PCIe 3.0. Imho, it would be a waste to upgrade from what you have now. I believe it's still good enough. I think you have another couple of years till your next main upgrade. Can I ask what you use for your viewing? Single monitor? Resolution? Are you happy with your Keyboard and mouse? RBG? Why not go surround sound with 2 GPUs in SLI with a new keyboard, mouse and maybe upgrade to a newer design custom water cooling friendly case in case you catch the bug? You could possibly use some funds in other areas that get missed.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:28 PM
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notfordman I would say, the GPU upgrade would probably net you the most performance at this point. but, if you have the finances and the want to upgrade why not. It's all dependent on what you want every user is different. How's that for no help? lol  You could just upgrade the GPU and see how that does for you, then decide.
+1 I would also replace the SSD if it is as old as the rest of your build, they have gotten faster; and a fresh OS install. I like the Samsung Pro line for 2.5 drives
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:13 PM
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gtxjackbauer I would ONLY upgrade the GPU and add a M.2 PCIe SSD to the mix, that's if you have enough lanes for it. You should see a great improvement when leaving the capped SATA OS drive to M.2 PCIe 3.0. Imho, it would be a waste to upgrade from what you have now. I believe it's still good enough. I think you have another couple of years till your next main upgrade. Can I ask what you use for your viewing? Single monitor? Resolution? Are you happy with your Keyboard and mouse? RBG? Why not go surround sound with 2 GPUs in SLI with a new keyboard, mouse and maybe upgrade to a newer design custom water cooling friendly case in case you catch the bug?  You could possibly use some funds in other areas that get missed.
To add to the m.2 vs SATA performance levels - for gaming you will see exactly zero improvements in game load times. The reviews show as much, so you can save a some coin and just get a newer SATA SSD as long as you've got SATA 3 ports. Now, if you do a lot of file copying between SSD's and large HDD RAID arrays, you will see very nice improvements on file transfer speeds as long as they are on the same system. This is first hand experience with a 950 PRO 512GB in a PCIE 3.0 X4 adapter running at PCIE 3.0 X4 lane speed, and between a Samsung 850 EVO 500GB, and an eight drive RAID 6 array on an Adaptec 8805 discrete RAID controller.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:25 PM
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After all these years, this forum never fails me! I knew I would get some valuable insight. After reading the responses, I feel you guys are right about the full upgrade. I believe I am going to upgrade to the new video card and get a faster SSD. Right now I see no reason to jump into the m.2 SSD. However, the Egg had some good deals the other day on Samsung Pro SSD's and I believe they are still going on. I also updated my signature to show monitor, keyboard etc that I'm using. Been awhile since I updated that. As for the fresh OS install, it is about time for that. It's been over a year since I wiped clean and started fresh. No better time to do that then when you get a new Boot drive and video card. Again, thanks for all the help folks!
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:43 PM
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arestavo
To add to the m.2 vs SATA performance levels - for gaming you will see exactly zero improvements in game load times. I respectfully disagree. I've come from RAID0 Raptors to SATA3 SSD to M.2 PCIe 2.0, in my case and I can assure you I have felt the improvements all around. Its not just faster game loads but everything you do. Virus scans, installations, file transfers (depending on the other drives capabilities), etc.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:42 PM
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arestavo
To add to the m.2 vs SATA performance levels - for gaming you will see exactly zero improvements in game load times.
I respectfully disagree. I've come from RAID0 Raptors to SATA3 SSD to M.2 PCIe 2.0, in my case and I can assure you I have felt the improvements all around. Its not just faster game loads but everything you do. Virus scans, installations, file transfers (depending on the other drives capabilities), etc.
And I respectfully disagree as well. Not only does my experience oppose yours, but reviews do as well - http://techreport.com/review/29221/samsung-950-pro-512gb-ssd-reviewed/4 and http://www.pcgamer.com/samsung-ssd-950-pro-review/ (unless you count a EDIT 1/2 1/4 second faster boot time an emphatic win).
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Monday, July 04, 2016 1:20 AM
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arestavoNot only does my experience oppose yours Oh yes, your epeen, oops I mean RAID was bigger than mine. I still stand with M.2 over SATA 3. To each their own I guess and yes, I can find opposing reviews to yours as well.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Monday, July 04, 2016 3:26 AM
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arestavoNot only does my experience oppose yours Oh yes, your epeen, oops I mean RAID was bigger than mine. I still stand with M.2 over SATA 3. To each their own I guess and yes, I can find opposing reviews to yours as well.
Please post any reviews that show the contrary for normal use as I'd like to see them (I find most information useful so that I can help others in the future).
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Monday, July 04, 2016 6:30 AM
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Monday, July 04, 2016 6:44 AM
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gtxjackbauer http://www.pcworld.com/ar...-huge-performance.html
Unless I'm missing it, there's only the sequential, heavily threaded, and queue depth testing that just about every review site had done. Nothing about standard desktop application performance, loading times (boot or games). Just synthetic benches, which are typically more useful if you run a database or a webserver where IOPS and deep queue depths really matter. Edit: there were a couple of copy tests, but I'd already addressed that as one thing that is better as long as the receiving media can keep up.
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Re: Go All in for the upgrade?
Monday, July 04, 2016 6:58 AM
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OK so I will throw my sack of cents in to the mix. :) No need to go extreme NVMe and no need to extreme RAID for games. All you need is one Samsung SSD which supports RAPID mode. And you get something like this:  Test performed on my 1TB 850 EVO. Shallow QD=4 which is realistically maximum when playing games. If you still aren't happy with performance then I raise may hands up. LOL
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