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2020/09/16 12:44:24 (permalink)
What is the difference? The "Ultra" is a higher clocked version, right? So then what's the difference between the two trim levels? I wanted the FTW3, but I don't like the fact that I have to wait and I'm not sure if this PSU will hook up three 8-pin connectors, and I'm reading that I can run the XC3 with just 2? I have an EVGA 850-watt power supply (I don't know which model.) I'd have to dig out my wires and stuff to check.. right now I'm on the GTX 2070 Super from EVGA with what looks like one 6-pin and one 8-pin. I'm comfortable building computers and stuff, and tweaking BIOS settings, but for some reason I can not get clear information about these cards and these cables. And it's a huge PITA to get to my power supply. lol Also, are EVGA power supply cables cross compatible? As in, I think I have some spare wires from my other EVGA power supply (X3 or something) as well that was modular, I was wondering if I could double up the 8pin from that. (Not on the same line, I just mean use both, even though they are from different but still EVGA PSUs.) They look almost exactly the same, just different wattages on the PSU...
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:06:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/16 18:11:32
The "Ultra" is in reference to the cooler size. The FTW variant of the 20 series and 30 series have ultra (2.5 slot) coolers. Non-ultras have the standard 2-slot cooler.
The FTW3 is a bigger board than the XC3, and you might be waiting the same time for them to release the FTW3 variant as them restocking the XC3.
The XC3 does have an 8+8 power pin layout. If you have an EVGA 850W PSU, you'll most likely have 3 VGA output for the FTW3 variant. 750W and up is typically for SLI users, and you'd need 4 VGA cables for that.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:12:06 (permalink)
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The "Ultra" is in reference to the cooler size. The FTW variant of the 20 series and 30 series have ultra (2.5 slot) coolers. Non-ultras have the standard 2-slot cooler.
The FTW3 is a bigger board than the XC3, and you might be waiting the same time for them to release the FTW3 variant as them restocking the XC3.
The XC3 does have an 8+8 power pin layout. If you have an EVGA 850W PSU, you'll most likely have 3 VGA output for the FTW3 variant. 750W and up is typically for SLI users, and you'd need 4 VGA cables for that.



Thank you so much, you just answered all of my questions. lol. That kind of helps me figure out what's going on. I guess I'll go for the XC3, and if I miss, I'll go for the FTW3 when it's released.
post edited by USALion - 2020/09/16 18:15:38
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:12:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/16 18:17:21
Also, non-ultra vs ultra:
- ultra has higher preset boost clock (early FE reviews indicate these cards boost to 1900 already)
- ultras are tested at higher clock, but not binned chips
 
XC3 vs FTW3:
- both are non-reference boards
- FTW3 has more temp monitoring sensors throughout the board
- FTW3 has an extra 8-pin power(3 total) to support higher power limit capabilities (better power for overclocking so you may not need to shunt mod and keep warranty intact)
 
EVGA(Jacob) indicated hybrid models will be available for both.  Also, hyrbrid conversion kits will be available in the future.
 
If you do not intend to heavily overclock the card or don't care about warranty to shunt mod for extra power, XC3 is cheaper than FTW3.
 
The 3rd 8-pin is there for high power demand during aggressive overclocking.  I've gotten my 2080ti KP to peak close to 500w during bench tests, but run low 400s for less aggressive OC gaming.  If this is not important, than the XC3 or lower models should do well.

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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:17:14 (permalink)
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Also, non-ultra vs ultra:
- ultra has higher preset boost clock (early FE reviews indicate these cards boost to 1900 already)
- ultras are tested at higher clock, but not binned chips
 
XC3 vs FTW3:
- both are non-reference boards
- FTW3 has more temp monitoring sensors throughout the board
- FTW3 has an extra 8-pin power(3 total) to support higher power limit capabilities (better power for overclocking so you may not need to shunt mod and keep warranty intact)
 
EVGA(Jacob) indicated hybrid models will be available for both.  Also, hyrbrid conversion kits will be available in the future.
 
If you do not intend to heavily overclock the card or don't care about warranty to shunt mod for extra power, XC3 is cheaper than FTW3.
 
The 3rd 8-pin is there for high power demand during aggressive overclocking.  I've gotten my 2080ti KP to peak close to 500w during bench tests, but run low 400s for less aggressive OC gaming.  If this is not important, than the XC3 or lower models should do well.



So from the factory, XC3 and FTW3 are the same GPU/memory clock configuration (including boost) for the Ultra models?
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:32:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby USALion 2020/09/16 19:38:53
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808sting
Also, non-ultra vs ultra:
- ultra has higher preset boost clock (early FE reviews indicate these cards boost to 1900 already)
- ultras are tested at higher clock, but not binned chips
 
XC3 vs FTW3:
- both are non-reference boards
- FTW3 has more temp monitoring sensors throughout the board
- FTW3 has an extra 8-pin power(3 total) to support higher power limit capabilities (better power for overclocking so you may not need to shunt mod and keep warranty intact)
 
EVGA(Jacob) indicated hybrid models will be available for both.  Also, hyrbrid conversion kits will be available in the future.
 
If you do not intend to heavily overclock the card or don't care about warranty to shunt mod for extra power, XC3 is cheaper than FTW3.
 
The 3rd 8-pin is there for high power demand during aggressive overclocking.  I've gotten my 2080ti KP to peak close to 500w during bench tests, but run low 400s for less aggressive OC gaming.  If this is not important, than the XC3 or lower models should do well.



So from the factory, XC3 and FTW3 are the same GPU/memory clock configuration (including boost) for the Ultra models?


Preset boost is higher on the "Ultra" models.  They are tested at the boost clock, but not cherry picked, "binned" chips like the Kingpin.  I believe the FTW3 Ultra boost clock is at 1800.  Early FE reviews shown boosts >1900 already, but this is not a guarantee.  It's the silicon lottery.  The premium price is partly for the pretesting of higher factory boost.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 18:38:35 (permalink)
This has all been very useful information, thank you.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 19:12:05 (permalink)
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Also, non-ultra vs ultra:
- ultra has higher preset boost clock (early FE reviews indicate these cards boost to 1900 already)
- ultras are tested at higher clock, but not binned chips
 
XC3 vs FTW3:
- both are non-reference boards
- FTW3 has more temp monitoring sensors throughout the board
- FTW3 has an extra 8-pin power(3 total) to support higher power limit capabilities (better power for overclocking so you may not need to shunt mod and keep warranty intact)
 
EVGA(Jacob) indicated hybrid models will be available for both.  Also, hyrbrid conversion kits will be available in the future.
 
If you do not intend to heavily overclock the card or don't care about warranty to shunt mod for extra power, XC3 is cheaper than FTW3.
 
The 3rd 8-pin is there for high power demand during aggressive overclocking.  I've gotten my 2080ti KP to peak close to 500w during bench tests, but run low 400s for less aggressive OC gaming.  If this is not important, than the XC3 or lower models should do well.



So from the factory, XC3 and FTW3 are the same GPU/memory clock configuration (including boost) for the Ultra models?




According to the product pages  XC3 Ultra is 1755mhz, FTW Ultra is 1800mhz
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 19:27:58 (permalink)
Another question, if i dont plan to overclock, or aggressively overclock, maybe just do scan in Precision X1 or MSI Afterburner and take whatever the base OC gives me, with it being a smaller board and smaller cooling fins, is there a danger of it running too hot? or running into thermal limits at least with a base OC? I have an EVGA RTX 2080 FTWE3 Ultra now, and i haven't touched the OC on it, partly since i just built it last year and it was my first time and I'm terrified of bricking my setup, but the base XC3 Ultra should still be an improvement, just the thermal limits is what is making me consider delaying. I play 1440p and shoot for max settings on games, and GPU never goes over 65c now. 

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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 19:40:02 (permalink)
Does the FTW3 cards and the XC3 use the same custom PCB?
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 19:40:22 (permalink)
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Another question, if i dont plan to overclock, or aggressively overclock, maybe just do scan in Precision X1 or MSI Afterburner and take whatever the base OC gives me, with it being a smaller board and smaller cooling fins, is there a danger of it running too hot? or running into thermal limits at least with a base OC? I have an EVGA RTX 2080 FTWE3 Ultra now, and i haven't touched the OC on it, partly since i just built it last year and it was my first time and I'm terrified of bricking my setup, but the base XC3 Ultra should still be an improvement, just the thermal limits is what is making me consider delaying. I play 1440p and shoot for max settings on games, and GPU never goes over 65c now. 



If it makes you feel any better, I overclocked my EVGA GeForce GTX 2070 Super (8 GB) by a decent amount higher than the scan recommended, and it's been running fine for 10 months now. Never any problems, never overheated or even got in a dangerous temperature range.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 19:43:45 (permalink)
I'm not sure where people are getting info that the ultra's have a bigger cooler but they do not.
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 2.2 slot
3080 XC3 Ultra: 2.2 slot
 
The only difference between the Ultra's is the clock:
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 1710MHz
3080 XC3 Ultra: 1755MHz
 
The FTW3 cards:
 
3080 FTW3: 2.75 slot @1755MHz
3080 FTW3 Ultra: 2.75 slot @1800MHz
 
Hope that helps people. 


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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 20:01:04 (permalink)
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Does the FTW3 cards and the XC3 use the same custom PCB?




Not from what Jacob tweeted.  Don't know if EVGA uses a standard in-house PCB and adds more function to the same board or uses different boards.  I would think the latter for optimal circuit design.  The FTW3 has more thermal sensors and a 3rd 8-pin power connector.  Thus, the expectation of higher power limits for the FTW3 models.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 20:17:07 (permalink)
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The "Ultra" is in reference to the cooler size. The FTW variant of the 20 series and 30 series have ultra (2.5 slot) coolers. Non-ultras have the standard 2-slot cooler.


Ultra are same size for Ampere. They're both 2.2 slots for XC3 and 2.75 for FTW3.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 20:22:08 (permalink)
I personally am going for what is in stock. Hopefully I end up with the 3080 FTW3 but if it's something not in stock I feel ok with one of the others.

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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 20:43:59 (permalink)
Turing used a bigger cooler on the XC ultra line. It seem no bigger cooler on the XC ultra with Ampere. But that may be due to a longer cooler and 3 fans instead of 2 here with Ampere? 
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 20:48:02 (permalink)
gotta say.. EVGAs naming scheme is atrocious. they need a chart or table SOMEWERE official that breaks down what the jargon they made up is supposed to mean to regular people. they surely sell alot of inferior cards to people who just plain didnt know better becuase of the bad names. was that the plan all along? idk but the names need a refresh. the power supply naming scheme is just as bad too. GM, GW, GQ, G3, GA, T2, G2, G5, G+, BR, BA, kill me now. that was less than half way thru the current product list. some of it you can guess, but the rest? no chance there seems to be no real rhyme or reason to the names or abbreviations. i LOVE EVGAs stuff and their crew... but the names are downright horrible and confusing.


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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 21:27:41 (permalink)
I agree with the better naming scheme, best would be Rtx3080 Good, Rtx3080 better, Rtx3080 Extra, Rtx3080 Too much.  
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 21:39:33 (permalink)
A rule of thumb would be more expensive = better 

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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 21:44:03 (permalink)
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I'm not sure where people are getting info that the ultra's have a bigger cooler but they do not.
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 2.2 slot
3080 XC3 Ultra: 2.2 slot
 
The only difference between the Ultra's is the clock:
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 1710MHz
3080 XC3 Ultra: 1755MHz
 
The FTW3 cards:
 
3080 FTW3: 2.75 slot @1755MHz
3080 FTW3 Ultra: 2.75 slot @1800MHz
 
Hope that helps people. 


Gotcha, i understand that the XC3 Ultra does NOT have a larger cooler than the other two XC3 versions, i meant the XC3 Ultra vs the FTW3, i know the FTW3 (Ultra and normal) have a larger cooler. The base clocks on the XC3 Ultra and base FTW3 are the same, with that said, the FTW3 has a larger cooler. If you don't OC much on the FTW3, the temps will still be lower right? even at the base clock due to the bigger cooler. My real question was with  the XC3 ultra card, will it temp throttle down due to the lower cooler, in your opinion or experience with EVGA cards?

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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/16 22:30:43 (permalink)
How is it with the system fan header? In previous generation it was only on FTW3. But now the XC3 versions have listed iCX3 cooling which on its own page mentions system fan header as part of the iCX3. Does it mean that the XC3 cards now have the system fan header? On the product page there is no render of the side of the card where it should be located so I can't confirm it visually and in specs it just says iCX3 cooling with no more details.
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Re: FTW3 3080 Ultra vs XC3 3080 Ultra confusion 2020/09/17 00:37:19 (permalink)
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I'm not sure where people are getting info that the ultra's have a bigger cooler but they do not.
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 2.2 slot
3080 XC3 Ultra: 2.2 slot
 
The only difference between the Ultra's is the clock:
 
3080 XC3 Gaming: 1710MHz
3080 XC3 Ultra: 1755MHz
 
The FTW3 cards:
 
3080 FTW3: 2.75 slot @1755MHz
3080 FTW3 Ultra: 2.75 slot @1800MHz
 
Hope that helps people. 


Gotcha, i understand that the XC3 Ultra does NOT have a larger cooler than the other two XC3 versions, i meant the XC3 Ultra vs the FTW3, i know the FTW3 (Ultra and normal) have a larger cooler. The base clocks on the XC3 Ultra and base FTW3 are the same, with that said, the FTW3 has a larger cooler. If you don't OC much on the FTW3, the temps will still be lower right? even at the base clock due to the bigger cooler. My real question was with  the XC3 ultra card, will it temp throttle down due to the lower cooler, in your opinion or experience with EVGA cards?


Well in theory it should run cooler. The FTW3 also does have the other sensors and higher power limits if you want to push the card more. But yes with everything else considered equal (same power, fans, case, ambient temp, etc.) the FTW3 would run cooler than the XC3 when they are at the same clocks. 


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