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Bora1114
 
I wouldn't recommend saying something doesn't benefit the world simply because you do not understand it. 

I say this in a 100% interest in learning something. Please PM me with what it is I don't understand that is exactly how it benefits the world to have all that mathematical power go only to a financial benefit and not also be used for helpful distributed computing research. Here's a paper from 2014 suggesting as such and I still don't see it prevalent. I don't want to push this topic farther on this thread and mean no offense in any way, but I'm curious (hence the PM request). Cheers.

Sent. Best to self educate tho

Cawyke
Waiting on the step-up because I didn't notify myself for a 3080. Seems like I'll be waiting a while on either.

 
Unfortunately I think the step ups are probably the lowest priority.

Bora1114

Cawyke
Waiting on the step-up because I didn't notify myself for a 3080. Seems like I'll be waiting a while on either.

 
Unfortunately I think the step ups are probably the lowest priority.

I believe that, the earliest notification I have for the 3080 is the 6th of October. The closest is the Hybrid 3888 where I'm 9 hours away. Luckily, I did get a 3070 so I'm not in that much of a rush.

Znewtz
Has the 3885 ever moved? Legitimately curious as that is my closet position at 9/25 6am, but I can’t recall ever seeing posts about drops for this card.

It last moved on January 7; it moved just over 30 minutes that day.

Thanks. No movement for 3060ti.  Only 15 minutes away
 

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Nike_7688

Bora1114
 
I wouldn't recommend saying something doesn't benefit the world simply because you do not understand it. 

I say this in a 100% interest in learning something. Please PM me with what it is I don't understand that is exactly how it benefits the world to have all that mathematical power go only to a financial benefit and not also be used for helpful distributed computing research. Here's a paper from 2014 suggesting as such and I still don't see it prevalent. I don't want to push this topic farther on this thread and mean no offense in any way, but I'm curious (hence the PM request). Cheers.

 
I'm posting this here in the hopes that more than 1 person reads this. I am not advocating for the usage of bitcoin, simply explaining why it should not be thought of as a "waste of energy" or "not helpful to the world". Everyone should do their own research. 
 
Bitcoin serves 2 major functions at the moment for helping the world:
1. Decentralized transaction processing. You do not need to go get a debit card and have to rely on a bank or institution.
Instead you send your money, a decentralized network gets it where it needs to go.
2. A store of value. It is a deflationary currency which means the amount produced decreases over time unlike the USD. This means that as the USD loses its buying power BTC will retain its value.People having savings is a good thing, and retaining the value of their savings is important or they will just spend it.
 
All in all these are services many people take for granted as they are not available to many people in the world.
Decentralization is good as it prevents censorship and repression.
 
Many altcoins offer privacy which prevents tracing of goods and services purchased to them.
This benefits the world specifically in countries where the government can put you in prison for any reason.
 
Some altcoins allow for decentralized finance where you can loan individuals capital which they may not normally be able to access.
Some offer decentralized storage, where you can purchase cloud storage for your scientific needs.
Some offer decentralized rendering.
Some offer tipping.
Some offer ad placement.
Some offer tokenization of assets.
etc.
 
There are more uses out there than i could mention and many of them will go down the drain but some of these will likely be used by many people.
Then the argument of energy usage begins. People fail to understand that large farms tend to be in locations of high reusable energy.
They go where the energy is cheap. Hydroelectric and geothermal are both cheap and clean.
 
Mining simply serves to protect these networks and keep them decentralized. Many are moving towards proof of stake which does not require miners.
 
I hope your opinion on how things benefit the world is a little more intuitive than "How does this help cure disease?".

CeilYurei

xMadnesz
just got my email 3897 1:46:31 
Good luck everyone!
My watch has ended.

how long ya been waiting though?

I would guess he signed up on 9/19 ?

Was able to snag a 5800x from Microcenter last week, just waiting on a graphics card (like everyone). Started a new job recently and haven't been able to keep up with the SKU movements as much.  Anyone wanna give a rough estimate? appreciate it, thank you!!
 
24G-P5-3987-KR 10/16/2020 4:51:07 PM
 

Some cards go out on most weekdays. Clearly not enough are going out to clear the queue, but some are going out.

Urobulus

MjolnirVIII
They can also sell off the card at the inflated prices when they're through with it, especially when the mining boom dies down. 

Yeah but that's the thing: it won't die down. People were saying the same thing years ago and it actually got worse.
 
So no, mining, just like scalping now, is here to stay now and won't die down. If anything, and again like scalping, it will just get worse and worse again and again.
 
Until something serious is done mining and scalping will keep eating and controlling 50%+ or OUR GPU MARKET year after year...

What MIGHT help is if the "MINING ONLY!" GPUs that NVIDIA wants to push at miners had a useful secondhand purpose as  secondhand pus, since miners run them underclocked, and low voltage, what mining benefits from is big cooling, and long running. But then they remove ALL the outputs...if they at least left ONE HDMI and maybe a DisplayPort output as well, then financially-focused miners, both home and industrial, wouldn't see a reason to ignore the product meant for them and just buy the gaming gpu that they can resell. And I'd say that scalping is also the primary issue, and industrial miners.

Also, I'm such low and fixed income that if I thought it'd be worth the effort undervolting and underclocking my 1060 6gb to mine some etherium or whatever for some money, and not a waste of electricity, i would. Heck, if I can get a 3060ti for myself as well as my friend, or a pair of 3060s (one for myself, one for them), id' use the 3060 sometimes for mining and the 1060 6gb i have now for the lighter games or most class/daily stuff. or even if the dang 1660 Super wasn't so overpriced or impossible to get used... jsut...any option for sjut a TINY bit of money...cuz thing is i want to save up to help ANOTHER "even poorer friend than I am" to get a gaming pc" (so tbh if I did somehow get a decent 1660S, they'd probably get it, not my  1060)
 
ALso, hpow do we check how far the queue has moved?

subdude

CeilYurei

xMadnesz
just got my email 3897 1:46:31 
Good luck everyone!
My watch has ended.

how long ya been waiting though?

I would guess he signed up on 9/19 ?

MASSIVE oof right there....five full MONTHS of waiting...

Nike_7688

Bora1114
I hope your opinion on how things benefit the world is a little more intuitive than "How does this help cure disease?".

I know I probably shouldn't reply any more to this, but being that it is directly towards me, I'll give you one last response.
 
That was one example I provided. Another would be trying to detect life on other planets. Others study how the human brain works, find more accurate models to define the universe, study the physical properties of asteroids, improve climate prediction models, simulate particle acceleration physics, and more.
 
What you've posted there indicates various ways that economies can be expanded and improved. Yes, those can help people. That said, these are all for financial gain (often by the rich, but also yes for anybody else too). They help people make money. Sure, you could argue that money will be spent for good things, and I'm sure some of it will, but it's still primarily about money.
 
Further, even if large farms are using renewable energy (which I'm not convinced that "most" of it is anyway as the only reports I've seen are directly from crypto-coin companies), the resources required to make all the energy production equipment and the computer hardware is expensive. Not just financially expensive, but we're talking non-renewable resources here. There's only so much of some of these materials to go around. We're looking at major copper shortages in the next few years. Not 50 years, not 20 years, but we're looking at major problems in the next 5-10 years, and that's only looking at copper.
 
On top of that, you are so focused on telling me I'm wrong than understanding I'm not even suggesting that you don't continue with cryptocurrency or that it be destroyed. I'm suggesting that all that compute power also (read: in addition...i.e. do one while doing the other) go towards fundamental research that is commonly done through distributed computing. I'm not suggesting that what you've posted there is wrong or bad. I'm suggesting it should be better. There's no good reason it can't be better.

Suggesting that economic transactions are always about the money is how the world works whenever we evolved from bartering. You do not buy a house without money, you do study asteroids without money, and you do not simulate climate without money (or some form of collateral/goods/services). There is no issue with a technology primarily being used for economic and financial purposes whenever the exchange of goods and services is a basic requirement of the world we live in. Imagine if economic and financial technology hadn't improved in the last millennia. 
 
The energy taken to produce the equipment and hardware is similar to that of the graphics cards from Nvidia. Simply because you feel your opinions on the usage of computer equipment is more altruistic does not make it so. If we are going to discuss opinion, many could make the argument that playing games and studying asteroids is wasteful of resources lmao. 
 
I never understood you as telling me that you want it destroyed, merely that you had a flawed opinion on the subject. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses that has use for the hardware. Relatively new technology shouldn't be discredited simply because it is unable to solve the most difficult problems it wasn't initially intended for. 
 
 

I would email or call customer support and forward the previous emails of you signing up for an account and for the cards back in November to see what they can do on their end since it seems like your initial applications for queue didn't go through like it should have

If anyone is looking for an AMD 5800X CPU, they are showing as in stock on AMD's website as of 2:44 pm, Friday. Nothing else is available for purchase.
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Not much movement this week, unfortunately.
 
Hopefully we will get a 3898 drop next week. I'm not too far away in that queue for that one, or so it seems.