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cmil6199
i have used mostly amd cards, because they always seemed like the better value... 
 

I had a 5700XT for about two month that I bought on Amazon (took advantage of the holiday extended returns); I mean, it's not a terrible card but the experience was just not great coming off NVIDIA. I thought all the driver stories were overblown, but boy, was I wrong. The card worked, but I had to put it on way out of date drivers just to not have constant crackling and popping audio, and then pretty much every game had pretty bad micro-stutter. I think the only real benefit of getting an AMD card is their superior Linux drivers, if you are one of those people who are married to Linux (hey, I'm not judging...).

tshalev

cmil6199
i have used mostly amd cards, because they always seemed like the better value... 
 

I had a 5700XT for about two month that I bought on Amazon (took advantage of the holiday extended returns); I mean, it's not a terrible card but the experience was just not great coming off NVIDIA. I thought all the driver stories were overblown, but boy, was I wrong. The card worked, but I had to put it on way out of date drivers just to not have constant crackling and popping audio, and then pretty much every game had pretty bad micro-stutter. I think the only real benefit of getting an AMD card is their superior Linux drivers, if you are one of those people who are married to Linux (hey, I'm not judging...).

This is what I have heard about amd cards; there is constant issues with drivers which makes me worry.

tshalev

cmil6199
i have used mostly amd cards, because they always seemed like the better value... 
 

I had a 5700XT for about two month that I bought on Amazon (took advantage of the holiday extended returns); I mean, it's not a terrible card but the experience was just not great coming off NVIDIA. I thought all the driver stories were overblown, but boy, was I wrong. The card worked, but I had to put it on way out of date drivers just to not have constant crackling and popping audio, and then pretty much every game had pretty bad micro-stutter. I think the only real benefit of getting an AMD card is their superior Linux drivers, if you are one of those people who are married to Linux (hey, I'm not judging...).

 
I think it probably depends on the card, maybe? I have a 5700XT and a 5700 non-XT. They have so far been flawless. I briefly had the 5700xt zip tied to the outside of my little HP SFF PC (for testing purposes). It was my main gaming GPU for a while, and it was excellent. I was honestly surprised by how good the 4k gaming performance was, and with a freesync display, everything was liquid smooth. On the first boot with it connected to the display, it automatically popped up a little radeon message saying that it detected my freesync display and enabled the feature. I was like "Sweet, let's give this a try!" Turned on adaptive refresh rate in the game, and boy was it smooth. Fyi it's an Asus TUF branded 5700XT. Even though the 3060 12GB is newer, the 5700XT outperforms it. It's impressive on AMD's part that their $400 (normally priced part) is still price-competitive with Nvidia's newest $330-390 MSRP offering, despite being more than a year older. I feel bad for ANYONE with AMD or Nvidia having driver issues, but I haven't seen those issues with AMD cards for three or four years now, and I usually build a system for someone every month, and sometimes multiple systems in one month depending on their needs. 

cmil6199
i had an issue with 1 of the driver versions and display port video. random green artifacts.
 
It went away when I upgraded the drivers. That was my rx580 though. I didn't have any issues with the rx5500xt.
 
Thanks,
Chris

I just built a little gaming rig for a local kid with an RX 580. Smooth little gaming machine that didn't break his bank account! I had no issues with the drivers on that card. Now, I did temporarily brick it trying to update the VBIOS with the latest version from tech-powerup. Thankfully, I had backed up the original VBIOS. Put that back on, and we were back in business! My brother and my son both have systems with the 5500XT as well, and they aren't having any issues either.  Great little budget gaming cards. 
 
I mean, they USED to be budget gaming cards... 

Some folks have more money than sense and will pay premium price and think nothing of it. €3095 ($3707 US) ASUS ROG Strix 3090 on reichelt.com/
Peeps are gone mad I tells ya...Mad! 
Have a good week everyone and keep smiling at them...It make them paranoid 

kissTheApex

SirKronan
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I mean, they USED to be budget gaming cards... 

Well, it definitely is someone’s budget. One was sold at msrp of $2499.99 when I was in the store.

Slimmer
"Budget gaming cards" is what I hear most about amd, good for them. 
 

Yup thats what I saw after reading some web articles. Their high end cards are good for productivity workloads but ofc aren't for gaming and the opposite for their consumer radeon cards. Still why I'll stick to nvidia since even seeing some pages say that the 6900xt still does worse than the 3080 in video encoding and rendering.

I've read some posts here about repeated Newegg shuffle wins and yet I have tried over a month. I give up trying it.

"If you want to cherry pick games where the 3080 wins" 
 
Not much cherry pick'n needed , I usually go off of guru3d's latest vid card review.

https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-launch-999
 
Looks like the 3080 ti Fe is reportedly gonna launch at $999. Where would that put a evga ftw3 ultra model at?

sabk11
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-launch-999
 
Looks like the 3080 ti Fe is reportedly gonna launch at $999. Where would that put a evga ftw3 ultra model at?

If that is the case, I would bet that it will be around the 1200-1250$ mark.  That would nearly center it between the 3080 and the 3090.

sabk11
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-launch-999
 
Looks like the 3080 ti Fe is reportedly gonna launch at $999. Where would that put a evga ftw3 ultra model at?

Likely cheaper than ANY of the MSI models, lol. 
 

mdcurry
VR is Nvidia only for the games I play.  3090 rules in VR.

 
Absolutely! And Nvidia trounces AMD in ray tracing as well. 

Slimmer
"If you want to cherry pick games where the 3080 wins" 
 
Not much cherry pick'n needed , I usually go off of guru3d's latest vid card review.

You cherry picked Guru3D. Here's a quote from Techspot:
 
"TL;DR: The RTX 3080 and RX 6800 XT are evenly matched, but overall the GeForce RTX 3080 has the upperhand in this battle. New technologies such as ray tracing and DLSS make it harder than ever to make a concise GPU recommendation, but hopefully our thorough testing can help you narrow down your choice between the two."
 
Link: https://www.techspot.com/review/2191-geforce-rtx-3080-vs-radeon-6800-xt/#:~:text=Monster%20Hunter%20World%20sees%20the,and%2020%25%20faster%20at%204K.&text=The%206800%20XT%20was%20barely,win%20by%20an%2011%25%20margin.
 
Another conclusion:
 
"The picture isn't a particularly clear one with the RX 6800 XT as there are several factors muddying the water. Firstly, it's $50 cheaper, at least considering launch prices compared to the Founders Edition RTX 3080. This is good news for some game titles as the card matched or bettered the RTX 3080 in plenty of areas and where it fell short - well, it costs less so they can to some extent be forgiven and ultimately AMD still has a great product in these situations. 
 
Where it seems to fall short of expectations occasionally is at 4K, where it was regularly slower than the RTX 3080, even outside of ray traced scenarios. It doesn't happen everywhere but the majority of titles I benchmarked showed the same trend. Again, it does cost less and Smart Access Memory and PCIe 4.0 may well help it here and I'll be looking at this in a future article. Ray tracing, as always, is quite game dependant, but assuming you use DLSS, then Nvidia is always much faster. To quote PC Gamer's view on DLSS 2.0 "DLSS 2.0 is an effective and immediate gateway to a gratuitous performance bump with little to no visual impact", so I think this assessment and using it in these benchmarks is fair.
 
Ultimately then, AMD has an attractive offering with the RX 6800 XT, especially if you game at 2560 x 1440. That probably comes with the proviso that you aren't too fussed about ray tracing. Wider support for the latter will come, as will AMD's own version of DLSS, which is apparently in the works, but it's great to see some much-needed competition for Nvidia at the high-end at last."
 
Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2020/11/18/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-vs-nvidia-rtx-3080-which-should-you-buy/?sh=427089984d11
 
I'm not saying the 6800XT is better at everything. It's not. But it would equally be false to say that the Nvidia is better at everything. This is one of those rare times that outside of a few scenarios, there isn't such a clear cut winner. And even in games where Nvidia leads, AMD is close enough and cheaper enough (based on fake MSRPs of course) that it is still a fantastic value for FPS per dollar spent. In fact, it wins more than it loses at 1440p. The 3080 wins more than it loses at 4k. Do you game in 4k? The 3080 is the obvious choice if your answer is yes, as it is for me. However, a lot of people game at 1440p and want 1440p gaming with high refresh rates, and the 6800XT walks away with more wins at 1440p. Also, 1440p makes a significantly higher percentage of monitors found on the desks of gamers out there. 
 
The one conclusion that's pretty well agreed upon by most reviewers, redditors, and gamers in general right now is this: Which card is the best? 

 
The one you can actually buy. 
 
Edit: Just wanted to add this little bit: in a market not constrained by lack of supply, you could definitely shop for "the extras" instead of just raw performance, and if you're after extras like ray tracing and DLSS, which AMD has yet to answer for, then that will sway you more firmly into the Nvidia camp. 

I understana that the 3080 TI is made of unobtanium!

I got my 87th notice today from bhphoto stating we regret to inform you {no gpu} in stock.
 
I get about 10 Notices a week from them for the 20 cards I listed with them.. Been on their listings since Jan.
 
I have not been able to buy any 3000 series cards.
 
I did get a cheap 5500xt at true retail price in January 2021.

sabk11
will be interesting to see what Nvidia's second go at a mining limiter will be with the 3080 ti

 
Waste of time.  The 3060 makes 3 to 4 a day on coins other than eth.  So if you get one for 500 it pays off in 140 to 200 days.  So the 3060 sells well. Also if you are savvy you can get by the eth restriction on smaller 1 card rigs. Ie a miner/gamer rig.  So if you do that it earns 5-6 a day mining eth.  So it was pretty much a failed attempt that hurt smaller guys that do not mine with tons of cards.
 
The best hope for gamers is the crash that happened yesterday happens 3 times in the next  10 days finally bringing coin prices down to normal. 

viper809
damn i see things have gotten worse!

Been like that for at least a month now, especially for the 3080 ftw3 ultra. Probably has moved a total of around 3 hours.
 
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