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2021/03/22 14:24:09 (permalink)
 Does anyone know the EVGA 3090 XC3 THERMAL pad sizes? I seem to not be able to find a straight solid answer without mixed answers. Is the front and back different thermal pad sizes? Please just need straight answers as I am sure others are wondering..
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/03/22 14:55:26 (permalink)
    Probably best to ask evga on the phone.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/03/22 18:45:10 (permalink)
    EVGA said 2.25mm for memory and 0.75 for inductors.... Not possible to find really
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/03/22 21:54:09 (permalink)
    Guess you’ll be looking awhile.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/03/23 06:30:19 (permalink)
    I would assume the spacing is close to the same as on the FTW3 card, 2.2mm on the VRAM and 2.8mm on the VRM with putty on the inductors as a space filler.  I picked up K5 Pro off of amazon from the Inductors myself, as I really don't to leave them bare when I put my original shroud back on.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/03/23 09:36:10 (permalink)
    Here is what Jacob said "Memory is 2.25mm, VRM 2.85mm, back VRAM is 2mm". Issue with that is the stock thermal pads are very very very soft. When buying replacements you'll need to keep a sharp eye on the hardness which is measured in shore. The stock pads are at the most 25 shore. I contacted support recently and ordered a replacement set of pads because it is much less of a hassle than trying to find the oddball size pads which from what I have been told are made by Laird (maybe t flex 300). Ohh and like Scarlet said, the K5 pro works great as a replacement for the thermal putty on the inductors.

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/05/01 23:40:27 (permalink)
    Also looking for this information.
    The 3090 XC3 Ultra board is smaller than the FTW3 so it's likely their thermal pad configuration is not exactly the same.
    I've seen posts about thermal pad sizes for the 3090 FTW3 and Kingpin but none about the XC3 Ultra.
    Can someone please give us the pad thicknesses for the 3090 XC3 Ultra?
    post edited by furuide - 2021/05/02 00:04:08
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/05/08 19:40:20 (permalink)
    Wondering the same
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/05/08 20:47:32 (permalink)
    Can't you just go off what ek supply with their blocks?

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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/05/25 20:46:55 (permalink)
    I pulled out my caliper and tried to measure the pads. Please note these are just close estimates. The pads are quite soft and likely get squashed and result in thinner than expected values. If I were to replace the thermal pads, I would probably try rounding up the value as close as possible (e.g. measured 1.8mm, replace with a 2.0mm pad)
     

     
    Now for the inside...

     
    There's are some areas like the VRM where they just used paste rather than pads. I have no idea how thick that paste is. It doesn't look very thick so I just labeled it as 1.0mm. 
     
    ** EDIT **
    So I replaced the paste area with 1.0mm
    Then the VRM areas with 2.5mm
    GPU die memory with 2.0mm
    Back-plate memory with 2.0mm
     
    post edited by dracore - 2021/08/25 21:14:58
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/01 09:39:03 (permalink)
    Hi, do we know how many w/m does the origianal EVGA Thermal Pads are?
    I was thing to change them to 8w/m thermal pad... or should I buy from ebay 12,8w/m thermal pad?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/02 08:33:02 (permalink)
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    Hi, do we know how many w/m does the origianal EVGA Thermal Pads are?
    I was thing to change them to 8w/m thermal pad... or should I buy from ebay 12,8w/m thermal pad?


    Well the XC3 3090 runs quite hot naturally. If your goal is actually to attempt to improve the heat dissipation, thermal pads with higher heat dissipation amount will be able to transfer more heat to the cooling components. The 12.8 oddysey is pretty good and is popular thermal pad to use too.
     
     
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/02 09:08:50 (permalink)
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/02 09:44:59 (permalink)
    Thanks, yes, I know that the 12,8 is better, is just my local supplier only got 8w/m... So I was wondering if it's worth to change it with the 8w/m. You know, if EVGA got e.x 3w/m it worth the try, but if EVGA's pads are 7-8w/m it doesn't worth the try.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/02 10:30:29 (permalink)
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    Thanks, yes, I know that the 12,8 is better, is just my local supplier only got 8w/m... So I was wondering if it's worth to change it with the 8w/m. You know, if EVGA got e.x 3w/m it worth the try, but if EVGA's pads are 7-8w/m it doesn't worth the try.


    I would say to go for as high as you can
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/03 09:30:19 (permalink)
    Thanks for the information.
     
    How many packs of each did you have to get?
     
    Also, how drastic was the temperature difference?
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/03 09:36:40 (permalink)
    I'm still working on this. The odd pad thicknesses that evga used and the type of pads used (they used softer, squishier, compressible) plus thermal putty, is making this mod a pain. I'm not getting full contact still so waiting on more thermal material to come in. I'll update my findings when I get it all together.
     
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/03 22:49:13 (permalink)
    Ok, here's the update. Refer to my previous measured pad thickness from a few posts above.  
     
    Based on those measurements, these are the thermal pads thicknesses I used:
    The blue areas with paste with 1.0mm
    VRM areas (beside the 1.0mm blue) with 2.5mm
    GPU VRAM with 1.5mm
    Back-plate VRAM with 2.0mm


    Pads are the Thermalright 12Wk/h type.
     
    The GPU-side VRAM thermal pads (1.5mm) are actually not thick enough. I think the original pads were probably around 1.75mm but you cannot buy thermal pads of 0.25mm, and replacing the pads with 2.0mm is too thick. As a result, there's a gap.
    So to fill the gap needed, I ended up getting K5-PRO putty and smearing a healthy layer on the VRAM pads. I also spread a little bit on the VRM and the blue areas -- don't need too much here, I think the pads here actually contact the heatsink ok but I just added a little bit of putty just in case.
     

     
    Temperature update after this:
    Well in full mining mode, VRAM temps are hitting 102-106deg.  I know this is still a lot, but considering that prior to mod, I wasn't even able to mine at all without immediately hitting the throttle threshold. 
     
    Other changes I did: I added a large heatsink on the backplate.  Presently I don't have a fan set up to cool the heatsink/backplate.  I will do that now and see if this helps my thermals even more.  Will update.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/03 23:24:17 (permalink)
    Alright adding a fan to the heatsink helps BIG TIME in removing the heat from the back-VRAMs.  My temps have now dropped from avg 104-106 to 96-98. 
     
     

     
    I think this can be improved. My heatsink stays warm but the backplate of the card is still hot hot hot! I think the thermal tape sitting between the heat sink and the backplate doesn't have a very high thermal conductivity rating so I'm not cooling the VRAM fast enough.  I'm going to see if i can get more heat transferred to the heat sink using some thermal pads in conjunction with thermal tape.  Have to place an order for the 0.5mm thermal pad so will continue to update my findings when it comes in.
    post edited by dracore - 2021/06/04 00:35:30
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/04 01:11:17 (permalink)
    Pretty nice... it wasn't what I was expecting but if works for you that's good.
    My card works with temperatures 102-106c so I don't think that I need to change the pads.
    I thought that it will give you at least bellow 100c... but it depends the watts. Really how much consumptions in watts do you have to get temp. 102-106c ?
    For me it's 272w - 280w, anything above 280w will give me temp 106c ++ 



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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/04 01:32:40 (permalink)
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    Pretty nice... it wasn't what I was expecting but if works for you that's good.
    My card works with temperatures 102-106c so I don't think that I need to change the pads.
    I thought that it will give you at least bellow 100c... but it depends the watts. Really how much consumptions in watts do you have to get temp. 102-106c ?
    For me it's 272w - 280w, anything above 280w will give me temp 106c ++ 





    Yeah the card will run with temp 102-106 but I'd definitely prefer to keep it lower to reduce the stress/damage from long-term heat.
    For 104-106, this was with power limit at 365W and fans at 100%
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/04 01:39:55 (permalink)
    Now you're talking about!
    Man! That's insane! 365w with 104°c that's super cool!
    Ok, I will go for the mod! 
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/04 01:49:11 (permalink)
    some of you guys gonna get sued by EVGA for disclosing thermal pad sizes !!!!.. getting ASUS flashbacks..
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/07 19:08:01 (permalink)
    I purchased the ThermalRight thermal pads from Amazon (got several sizes), I only switched the pads on the backplate as I assumed that was where the heat build up was coming from.  I added the 2mm option to all of those memory modules.  It unfortunately still is running at 102-106 (108-110 if I do not reduce the wattage and keep the fan increased via MSI Afterburner).
     
    Based on dracore's post, I am think to not even worry about the GPU side and return the other thermal pads.  Thoughts if I should reconsider?
     
    NOTE: I am mining.  My idea is to recoup the cost of the GPU when it is not used for other purposes.
     
    Also, can someone point me to a good YouTube or forum post regarding 'undervolting' to get the temps down?   Maybe even a dummies guide :-) as I was not quite following the first few attempts I watched on YouTube.  
     
    If anyone is doing the undervolting for the 3090 XC3 Ultra, can you put in what your power wattage, CPU under clock by MHz, memory overclock are set to along with the graph point for undervolting?   Are you leaving the fans on automatic?
     
    Would love to stay above 100MH/s and those memory junctions be back in the 90s.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/07 22:55:33 (permalink)
    New update! Getting better temps by reworking the heatsink+fan mod.
     
    From the previous thermal mod I did above I was getting 100deg @ 90% fan, power limit 365W, actual ~300W)
     
    I wasn't satisfied with the temp I was getting as I wanted to run this with quieter fan at 80% or less but then the temp would shoot past 100deg. There was a LOT of heat on the backplate and my heatsink+fan setup was warm but not crazy warm.  I had covered the entire backing of the heatsink with thermal tape but I think this is where the weak link was. The thermal tape I have is rated at ~2.0 Wk/h. In fact, most if not all thermal tape you find is 2.0 or less... the heat transfer is not very good compared to thermal pads. If it was possible, I'd cover the entire heatsink backing with thermal pads but the problem is that thermal pads are not sticky enough to keep heavy things like heatsinks in place for a long time.
     
    My solution: Do the best of both worlds.
     
    1. I removed the heatsink -- the thermal tape was real strong and stuck REALLY hard onto the backing. It warped the backplate of the card when I finally removed it... which leads to step #2
    2. Test for good backplate contact (see below for the story)
    3. Applied 0.5mm thermal pads directly over the spot where the 2.0mm thermal pads lie on the bottom-side of the backplate. About roughly same dimensions, didn't have to be perfect.
    4. Added 2 additional small pads which sit beside the vertical pads (see photo below, the 2 of them on the heatsink). Not sure if this is useful but my thought was that would help heat transfer from the copper spreader (you'll see it on the underside of the backplate where the 2.0mm pads are) 
    5. Of course make sure none of the thermal pads you put on will layer over another once you put the heatsink back on 
    6. Applied 2 layers of thermal tapes in the corners (2 layers because the thermal tape I use is 0.25mm, so 2 layers will make it 0.5mm which matches the height of the thermal pads). They won't have enough surface area to really absorb much heat, but then again they're only 2.0Wk/h which is nothing compared to the thermal pads. Their purpose is mainly only to keep the heatsink in place.
     
    The thermal tape I used - search on Amazon: 
    AIYUNNI Thermal Adhesive Tape 10mm by 25M,Double Sided Thermally Conductive Tapes,Cooling Tape for Heat Sink,SSD Drives,Computer CPU,GPU,LED,Coolers 
     
    The blue in the photo are the thermal tapes. You can't see it but there's two layers there.  The grey ones are the 0.5mm thermal pads -- 2 of them are on the heatsink and 4 are on the backplate
     

     
    I mentioned that when I first removed the heatsink, I had warped the backplate a bit such that parts of the backplate sitting above some of the 2.0mm thermal pads were curved up a little and no longer fully contacted the pads. Without knowing, I put the heatsink and all back together again and when I tested it, my temps kept increasing past 100 again and I was quite confused. Tore everything apart and checked the backplate... sure enough, I noticed the problem and I rebent the plate so that it pressed down onto the pads.
     
    Even though I had accidentally bent it, you probably won't make the same mistake as me. But I think it's a good idea for you to just double check that your plate has good contact regardless. With reasonable force, press down with your finger on each area that has a 2.0mm pad on the bottom-side of the backplate. It should not flex. It should not give.  If it is not moving, then you have solid contact.
     
    With the new heatsink+fan mod, I am now getting:
     
    During mining overclock power limit 365W, memory 10700
    92deg @ 90%fan
    94-96deg @ 80% fan
     
     
     
     
    post edited by dracore - 2021/06/08 09:42:21
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/07 23:12:39 (permalink)
    i would just suggest to not stack pads. get the right size
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/08 09:04:45 (permalink)
    @dracore, what hash rate do you get with that setup?
     
    do you have thermal pads over more than the memory on the back?  I see gray through the backplate holes.
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/08 09:35:35 (permalink)
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    do you have thermal pads over more than the memory on the back?  I see gray through the backplate holes.



    Ah yes. I did add extra strips on the backplate at one point on the backside of the VRM. I don't know if it helps or not as most heat coming from the memory anyways. But heck, might as well do it.  These were also with pad thickness 2.0mm
     

     
     
     
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    @dracore, what hash rate do you get with that setup?

     
    I'm at a stable 121MH/s @ 80% fan and 96deg now.
     
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/10 11:17:05 (permalink)
    @dracore thanks for the information!
     
    Do you think it was worth it or did anything with replacing the thermal pads on the GPU side?
     
    I am thinking of returning most of them to amazon since I have not opened any but the 2mm.
     
    For your hash rate, was there particular settings you used?  Any 'undervolting' or other tweaks?   I have only seen mine hit 110-111 when I reset the settings and of course the mem chips shoot to 108+C.
     
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    Re: EVGA RTX 3090 XC3 ULTRA Thermal PAD SIZES? 2021/06/11 00:24:48 (permalink)
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    @dracore thanks for the information!
     
    Do you think it was worth it or did anything with replacing the thermal pads on the GPU side?
     
    I am thinking of returning most of them to amazon since I have not opened any but the 2mm.
     
    For your hash rate, was there particular settings you used?  Any 'undervolting' or other tweaks?   I have only seen mine hit 110-111 when I reset the settings and of course the mem chips shoot to 108+C.
     




    Yeah I think everything is needed in order to get the temps to a reasonable level - both with the backside of the GPU and the frontside, because the thermal pad+putty they use might not be 1) positioned properly, and 2) not transferring enough heat. The problem with the XC3 is that its design is made to be a slim card and as a result the heatsink design is small (have you compared the 3090 XC3 to the 3080 FTW3? The FTW3 heat sink is almost double the size!). With such a small heatsink, you need to do whatever you can to remove as much heat as possible -- so this involves a heck load of work with the thermal pad replacement, as well as including self modding another heatsink+fan solution.
     
    Alternatively, moving to the XC3 water cooler approach would be easier and could drop your temps better.
     
    Honestly now dealing with all this hassle, I would have preferred a different card having a much bigger heatsink to dissipate the heat better, and perhaps one with a better heatsink+fan system. All this took a heck lot of time. It works but it also looks ugly visually.
     
    No undervolting. At default clocks everything was running cool enough that I could start overclocking to raise the hashrate to desired levels. Mem junction temp would still remain in the mid-90s range the whole time.
     
     
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