jdmwrxpower

Stickboy46

jdmwrxpower

Bilc0

DashwoodFoxe
So I should just return my FTW3 Ultra? Kinda makes my ridiculous water cooling setup a moot point if the GPU won't be able to utilize the enhanced cooling it has to offer.

I would do it and get a strix imo.... I got lucky(or unlucky) and got one off amazon 2 hours after my FTW3 shipped - but I hadn't known it at the time.  I was staring at the delivery date for about a week while following this thread hoping eVGA would say something... anything.  People have mentioned a 'we're looking into it,' but I haven't seen that comment related to the current issues with the bios.  As far as I am concered silence is deafening here.   

Well I am glad I decided to break the seal and bench the Strix.... it beats the pants off the FTW3 I had in terms of clocks and at a lower power limit while being at HIGHER temps... so when this baby gets under water it should really sing.

This company is great at supporting you when the hardware fails, but it seems when it comes to actually admitting fault they are silent for whatever reason - protecting percieved reputation or protecting current sales who knows.  All I know is I was drawn to this for the higher bios PL but they failed to deliver in a 3 week period, so I'm out.

That's just it. 95% of us are going to block our cards and if it isn't worth putting the ftw3 under water with no gains than what's the point of the extra premium cost? My ultra is coming in Tuesday next week as it shipped from evga yesterday and to be honest I think I am just gonna sell it at whatever the going rate put a few hundred in my pocket and shoot for a strix. My asus tuf 3090 went to my brother yesterday and I had zero issues with the card. On air it was 70c 350-360 watts. The fact EVGA is silent on the whole topic is a bit concerning.

95% of FTW3 owners are not going to block their cards. If you meant to say 95% will NOT block their cards .. you would be closer to correct. 

Initially yes however, most won't block the card because because blocks are not "readily available" but as blocks become available and more users have stable cards the next logical step is water cooling to get lower temps and silent operation. If the EVGA lacks benefit from water cooling the looking into other cards will be a better option.

Any FTW owners like myself with 2080tis all ran them on blocks. This is my opinion and nothing more based on my experience and the people I personally who are blocking their cards hence why Optimus is selling out batches..

95% of FTW users will never block their cards.  Water cooling is a VERY small section of the market. 

jdmwrxpower

Stickboy46

jdmwrxpower

Stickboy46

jdmwrxpower

Bilc0

DashwoodFoxe
So I should just return my FTW3 Ultra? Kinda makes my ridiculous water cooling setup a moot point if the GPU won't be able to utilize the enhanced cooling it has to offer.

I would do it and get a strix imo.... I got lucky(or unlucky) and got one off amazon 2 hours after my FTW3 shipped - but I hadn't known it at the time.  I was staring at the delivery date for about a week while following this thread hoping eVGA would say something... anything.  People have mentioned a 'we're looking into it,' but I haven't seen that comment related to the current issues with the bios.  As far as I am concered silence is deafening here.   

Well I am glad I decided to break the seal and bench the Strix.... it beats the pants off the FTW3 I had in terms of clocks and at a lower power limit while being at HIGHER temps... so when this baby gets under water it should really sing.

This company is great at supporting you when the hardware fails, but it seems when it comes to actually admitting fault they are silent for whatever reason - protecting percieved reputation or protecting current sales who knows.  All I know is I was drawn to this for the higher bios PL but they failed to deliver in a 3 week period, so I'm out.

That's just it. 95% of us are going to block our cards and if it isn't worth putting the ftw3 under water with no gains than what's the point of the extra premium cost? My ultra is coming in Tuesday next week as it shipped from evga yesterday and to be honest I think I am just gonna sell it at whatever the going rate put a few hundred in my pocket and shoot for a strix. My asus tuf 3090 went to my brother yesterday and I had zero issues with the card. On air it was 70c 350-360 watts. The fact EVGA is silent on the whole topic is a bit concerning.

95% of FTW3 owners are not going to block their cards. If you meant to say 95% will NOT block their cards .. you would be closer to correct. 

Initially yes however, most won't block the card because because blocks are not "readily available" but as blocks become available and more users have stable cards the next logical step is water cooling to get lower temps and silent operation. If the EVGA lacks benefit from water cooling the looking into other cards will be a better option.

Any FTW owners like myself with 2080tis all ran them on blocks. This is my opinion and nothing more based on my experience and the people I personally who are blocking their cards hence why Optimus is selling out batches..

95% of FTW users will never block their cards.  Water cooling is a VERY small section of the market. 

Your opinion...

Not an opinion. 

EVGA_JacobF
Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into it.

https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3126360

How would one run watercooling on two 3090s and a 10900k or 5950x simultaneously? In a mid-size case? Is it even possible without a bigger case? I have two 3090s and will run them in SLI sometimes, but I think watercooling will be too complicated if I have to switch out one of the cards between my second system frequently. My CPUs are already running on a 360mm AIO.
 
I figure I'm sort of stuck with air cooling on the GPUs unless someone has an elegant solution in mind...

arestavo

QueueCumber
How would one run watercooling on two 3090s and a 10900k or 5950x simultaneously? In a mid-size case? Is it even possible without a bigger case? I have two 3090s and will run them in SLI sometimes, but I think watercooling will be too complicated if I have to switch out one of the cards between my second system frequently. My CPUs are already running on a 360mm AIO.
 
I figure I'm sort of stuck with air cooling on the GPUs unless someone has an elegant solution in mind...

A hybrid solution would probably be the way to go if you really wanted water cooling. EVGA is releasing kits mid to late november, and NZXT might be updating their G10/G12 line for the 30 series.

That might work if I utilize the fan mount point in the back of the case and just move the one fan anytime I need to break up the SLI. I'll look into it as they release the kits. Thanks!

QueueCumber
How would one run watercooling on two 3090s and a 10900k or 5950x simultaneously? In a mid-size case? Is it even possible without a bigger case? I have two 3090s and will run them in SLI sometimes, but I think watercooling will be too complicated if I have to switch out one of the cards between my second system frequently. My CPUs are already running on a 360mm AIO.
 
I figure I'm sort of stuck with air cooling on the GPUs unless someone has an elegant solution in mind...

Why would it not be?  Two 360's or 280's should be enough, but not great. 

Starting to lose hope that we will get any clarification on this issue. 2 weeks of EVGA "looking into this" and no response. This was my first "flagship" card purchase since the 8800 GTX, and I chose it for the overclocking headroom and for benchmarking since that is what I enjoy, and honestly, this feels bad. The plan was to buy the AIO watercooler when it is released, not so much anymore. Why spend more money on the card if just the air cooler is sufficient based on the hardware on the PCB. Just kinda disappointed. It is what it is I guess.

tubnotub1
Starting to lose hope that we will get any clarification on this issue. 2 weeks of EVGA "looking into this" and no response. This was my first "flagship" card purchase since the 8800 GTX, and I chose it for the overclocking headroom and for benchmarking since that is what I enjoy, and honestly, this feels bad. The plan was to buy the AIO watercooler when it is released, not so much anymore. Why spend more money on the card if just the air cooler is sufficient based on the hardware on the PCB. Just kinda disappointed. It is what it is I guess.

As high as some other cards are benchmarking, I have to wonder if they are any more stable at those higher OCs for everyday gaming. I suspect the differences aren't as big in real-time gaming as people are thinking. Yeah, people are getting higher OCs on benchmarks, but I don't think it is translating into improved OC performance in games. Anyway, that was why I decided to just stick the FTW3 Ultra. That and the customer service at EVGA. I think MSI and EVGA are the only two card companies left with good USA support. MSI tends to be a little crankier than EVGA, but sometimes wonder if they are actually the same customer support being used by both companies. They all sound like West Coasters on the phone. Love that Cali accent!

QueueCumber

tubnotub1
Starting to lose hope that we will get any clarification on this issue. 2 weeks of EVGA "looking into this" and no response. This was my first "flagship" card purchase since the 8800 GTX, and I chose it for the overclocking headroom and for benchmarking since that is what I enjoy, and honestly, this feels bad. The plan was to buy the AIO watercooler when it is released, not so much anymore. Why spend more money on the card if just the air cooler is sufficient based on the hardware on the PCB. Just kinda disappointed. It is what it is I guess.

As high as some other cards are benchmarking, I have to wonder if they are any more stable at those higher OCs for everyday gaming. I suspect the differences aren't as big in real-time gaming as people are thinking. Yeah, people are getting higher OCs on benchmarks, but I don't think it is translating into improved OC performance in games. Anyway, that was why I decided to just stick the FTW3 Ultra. That and the customer service at EVGA. I think MSI and EVGA are the only two card companies left with good USA support. MSI tends to be a little crankier than EVGA, but sometimes wonder if they are actually the same customer support being used by both companies. They all sound like West Coasters on the phone. Love that Cali accent!

Oh yeah, it's already been shown that the massive increase in TDP nets very little % wise over stock as compared to previous generations.
 
Like I mentioned to someone else here, that 50 watts that they're not seeing isn't as important as the silicon lottery. Unless all you care about is sucking down more watts, that is.
 
My release day card outperforms several other FTW3 cards that can actually use the 500W of the XOC VBIOS, while mine is stuck around 440W average in any load (XOC or shipping VBIOS).

QueueCumber

kevinc313
Oh I missed that part.  You're going to need a strong pump and some QD3 or QD4 disconnects.  I'd just use a giant external cooler, res, and a bus block.

Yeah, it just gets too messy to move between two systems. I think I'm sort of stuck with air cooling for now. Maybe on one of them I could put a cooler on and OC more when it is running on its own. The one that isn't being moved between systems.

I use the EKWB quick disconnect fittings.   That allows me to do maintenance and swap components without draining the loop.

Nice. I didn't know there were even options like that. Thank you.

So mine goes back this week.  Already switched my optimus block order over to a Strix.  Really wanted to like EVGA and buy American, but not at the expense of getting less for my money.  The lack of communication is the last straw for me, we're coming up on 2 weeks with no updates.  I am not sure if this is even a priority for them so I'll take my business elsewhere.

thebc2
So mine goes back this week.  Already switched my optimus block order over to a Strix.  Really wanted to like EVGA and buy American, but not at the expense of getting less for my money.  The lack of communication is the last straw for me, we're coming up on 2 weeks with no updates.  I am not sure if this is even a priority for them so I'll take my business elsewhere.

Good choice. I'm not going to even open it come Tuesday when it arrives. If there is no word from Evga within 3 weeks I will be returning mine for a refund and get another card. I'm not saying I wouldn't buy from Evga in the future, just not a 3090 ftw ultra. To be fair if other companies were in the same boat I don't think we would get answer quickly either.

just got mine, testing the 500w BIOS.  Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages...  But, I flashed the BIOS, everything went well, new limit is 119, restarted.  But benchmarking the power target won't go past 109 for more than an instant and it will drop clocks and especially voltage to maintain it.  Anyone else seeing this?  Temp isn't terrible, 61C roughly on the core, 55 PWR, 50 VRAM
Regarding the discussion on water blocks, I ordered the UnGodly expensive Optimus water block that GN had on their channel.  It's going to be awesome, but the price, dear God.  This card is soooo loud though.

Stickboy46

jdmwrxpower

Stickboy46

kevinc313

Stickboy46
Not an opinion. 

I just reviewed the last 400 of 2080 Ti's sold on ebay, a solid 5% had waterblocks, either OEM or aftermarket. 

Of the last 200 FTW3 cards, 9 were hydrocoppers and 6 had aftermarket blocks.

Thanks for looking that up. Thats a data point that helps prove what I was saying. 95% of people, even on high end cards, do NOT watercool. 

Right because Ebay is the right measure to use because every 2080ti ended up on eBay and you you looked at the last 400.. There also people whom took the block off and installed the air cooler back on before selling. What about EKWB and companies who make water blocks? What about their metrics?? A majority do liquid cool their blocks and majority do not...enough said...

A piece of verifiable data was posted that backed my statement.
 
Please post verifiable data that backs yours. Otherwise ... Enough said....

Not everyone goes to Ebay to sell their cards. Ebay is not verifiable data just because someone else looked up 400 sold cards for you to back your perceived point. Why didn't YOU come up with the data and back your own perspective? Companies that make waterblocks wouldn't exists just like Ebay wouldn't exist without sales. Forums dedicated to liquid cooling have an enormous amount of builds. Toms hardware and other private forums users use to sell items to avoid paying Ebay fees. Again, those are not verifiable results because we do not know who put the stock cooler back on to sell it in "retail like condition" nor we are not accounting for cards sell elsewhere. Why do you think everyone needs to sell their card? I have a 2080ti in my lian case under water and I am not going to sell it. Why? It works well and until it craps out then it will go in the trash.... Instead I built another PC for the 3090 build. You and I both cannot provide full records because you don't have all the facts and I certainly do not have access to company financial records and statistics with quarterly projections. There are also alot of people out there that want to LC their their rig but don't know how and won't take the leap to do it because there is some risk involved and if you are living on a shoe string budget and used last weeks paycheck to buy a new component then taking risks might not be the way to go. This argument is pointless..We are both right in our own minds and I will block which ever card I decided to keep and if you water cool or not I could careless..maybe all your friends are air cooled folk, mine are mostly liquid cooling people. Who knows...speculation right? Have a nice night, I won't be responding back because it isn't worth any more of my time. Do your own homework...

Enough said..