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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 18:41:09
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 18:56:28
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EVGA_JacobF Please remember this BIOS is a BETA and the intention is to collect feedback, and hardware will vary. On my test system below is the result with a production card, can anyone else testing post a similar screenshot? This is Doom Eternal 4K, only power target is maxed out and no other changes in PX. Ignore the blown out screenshot its because HDR is enabled
Hey jacob thank you for the update. its been a hot minute since ive played doom eternal. which level is that so I can recreate these conditions? Also, that game only lets me select resolutions up to native (3440x1440 for me). Im assuming DSR is the only other option here to get close to 4k? 4k is about 1.67 times the pixel count of my resolution, so closest I can get this test is 1.5x or 1.78x DSR factors
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EVGA_JacobF
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 18:58:44
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This actually is from the new DLC, but any other level shows similar results. Just trying to understand if there is differences due to application, hardware, etc. If you could do anything close to 4K that would be ideal just for compare purposes. Also make sure VSYNC is off.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 19:01:35
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Turbo-12R I have to say it has been relatively amusing to watch all the Negative Nelly comments going on about this BIOS, and I’m sure I’ll be causing rage to some of you. The same people now whining are probably the ones praising EVGA last week for its more than fair system of product distribution. Just take a step back and listen to yourselves (those who are in a snit). You are essentially whining about a BIOS that you had no idea was ever even going to be released when you purchased this card…let alone the card only being on the market a few weeks. Also, you’re losing sleep over a BIOS that is giving you maybe 50w more….seriously. Are you really that worried about gaining a spot on the 3DMark board, which is in reality 100% meaningless in real life? Oh wait, bragging rights…I forgot. For those of you who are threatening to “return” your card in hopes that will scare EVGA, that statement makes you double the fool. Obviously right now with such a demand for any 3090 card, you could easily get your money back if not make a little for your troubles on Ebay or the like. Show some patience and let them iron this out as it is a BETA BIOS. Wow, who would have thought my first post here would be to chastise a bunch of knuckleheads.
I didn't praise them for anything. Why should we praise them for a system that should have been implemented years ago? That's their own mess up they rectified, shouldn't get praised for it but indifference for being so late about it. The problem isn't about the bios. It's the fact that they release something meant for our cards and it either at best barely works in spikes or at worse degrades performance compared to the previous normal/oc bios. If you're not an overclocker looking for higher benchmark numbers, you shouldn't even be posting here in this topic. The bios was never intended for you. Lul bragging rights... This stuff comes up every time but have you considered it might be fun for others pushing their components to the absolute maximum and see how they compare to others? Why play ranked or competitive in anything, you looking for bragging rights or something? The bios is in beta yes, but that's why we give feedback. EVGA_JacobF This actually is from the new DLC, but any other level shows similar results. Just trying to understand if there is differences due to application, hardware, etc. If you could do anything close to 4K that would be ideal just for compare purposes. Also make sure VSYNC is off.
Any other game besides Doom? Running the PG27UQ, 4k hdr.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 19:59:49
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arcky Imagine using your first post to encourage scalping the products of the very company whose forums you’re posting on.
Sure buddy. Show me where I indicated scalping as in the terms you are implying. Getting your money back plus your shipping costs and tax are hardly suggestive of scalping...but twist it as you will.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:06:34
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Run Doom eternal 5mins turn off vsync temperature is under 74C The game is the highest wattage number than any other benchmark software But it is still not reach or nearly 500W Spec: Montor:PG27UQ MB: Asus X299 prime deluxe VGA:3090 FTW3U CPU:i7-7820X PSU:cooleer master v1000 platinum RAM:crucial ballistix DDR4-3600 32G@3200
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:14:39
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Turbo-12R I have to say it has been relatively amusing to watch all the Negative Nelly comments going on about this BIOS, and I’m sure I’ll be causing rage to some of you. The same people now whining are probably the ones praising EVGA last week for its more than fair system of product distribution. Just take a step back and listen to yourselves (those who are in a snit). You are essentially whining about a BIOS that you had no idea was ever even going to be released when you purchased this card…let alone the card only being on the market a few weeks. Also, you’re losing sleep over a BIOS that is giving you maybe 50w more….seriously. Are you really that worried about gaining a spot on the 3DMark board, which is in reality 100% meaningless in real life? Oh wait, bragging rights…I forgot. For those of you who are threatening to “return” your card in hopes that will scare EVGA, that statement makes you double the fool. Obviously right now with such a demand for any 3090 card, you could easily get your money back if not make a little for your troubles on Ebay or the like. Show some patience and let them iron this out as it is a BETA BIOS. Wow, who would have thought my first post here would be to chastise a bunch of knuckleheads.
I didn't praise them for anything. Why should we praise them for a system that should have been implemented years ago? That's their own mess up they rectified, shouldn't get praised for it but indifference for being so late about it. The problem isn't about the bios. It's the fact that they release something meant for our cards and it either at best barely works in spikes or at worse degrades performance compared to the previous normal/oc bios. If you're not an overclocker looking for higher benchmark numbers, you shouldn't even be posting here in this topic. The bios was never intended for you.
Lul bragging rights... This stuff comes up every time but have you considered it might be fun for others pushing their components to the absolute maximum and see how they compare to others? Why play ranked or competitive in anything, you looking for bragging rights or something? The bios is in beta yes, but that's why we give feedback.
EVGA_JacobF This actually is from the new DLC, but any other level shows similar results. Just trying to understand if there is differences due to application, hardware, etc. If you could do anything close to 4K that would be ideal just for compare purposes. Also make sure VSYNC is off.
Any other game besides Doom? Running the PG27UQ, 4k hdr.
Kinda of agree with Turbo on this
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:20:13
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:26:27
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@EVGA_JacobF I went ahead and tested 8 games at 1.5 DSR from 1440p or at 150% in-game resolution slider if the game supported it, just a hair under 4k (3620*2036). I ran all games tested for 4+ minutes, at the beginning of each run I reset HWInfo to only pull data from only the run itself. Before each run, I would locate a scene that pegged the GPU @ 99% (or as close as I could get) tab out, restart the logging, then tab back in. None of the 8 games exceeded 450 watts draw on the GPU, the highest was BL3 (which has the option to increase rendering resolution via options) which pulled 449. Pretty much every title averaged ~430 watts over the entirety of the run. Tested on driver 456.98, all of the gory data is in the imgur link below, but here is the breakdown in case you don't want to click through each of the images. Titles tested: Avengers: Max 436, Avg 422 Borderlands 3: Max 449, Avg 442 Control (1440p): Max 437, Avg 426 FFXIV: Max 439, Avg 433 Horizon Zero Dawn: Max 441, Avg 436 Monster Hunter World: Max 432, Avg 430 Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Max 439, Avg 429 Red Dead Redemption 2: Max 442, Avg 435 Edit: Evidently I can't post link, please reach out to me if you would like the imgur link. PC Hardware: Ryzen 3900XT 4.5/4.4 IF 1:1 @ 1.321v(ish) MSI X570 Unify G.Skill Trident Z Royal 32 GB @ 3900 (16-17-16-34-1T) EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra (...) w/ XOC Bios EVGA Supernova 750 G2 970 Evo Plus Wattage from the wall monitored via APC UPS never exceeded ~675 watts. Double Edit: I don't own the Doom Eternal, I am more than willing to donate some of my time to get this sorted out, but I gotta draw the line at spending money on a game I probably wouldn't play, I am sorry I can't confirm your results on my PC.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:41:30
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@EVGA_JacobF could you at least confirm that the team is looking into these issues? It can't be a coincidence that all of @tubnotub1's numbers are still clearly locked to the 450w PL while running the 500w bios. It's not a question of whether 500w should be achievable consistently now, but for sure we shouldn't be able to see a clear 450w hard cap still persisting on supposedly unlocked bios. I only ask for an update on this because it seems like the only feedback we've received so far from EVGA on this is from you, and all you've said is that you've gotten 480w in Doom and Quake. No offense, but that sort've sounds like you're saying 'well it's working for me' while not acknowledging the other ten pages of testing and evidence posted on this thread. It would go a long way for someone to at least comment on the possibility that there *might* be an issue here with a willingness to look into it further for your paying customers of your top-of-the-line SKU. thank you!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:43:59
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:46:45
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481.8 watts best I could do. Gpu 78c. Just 18.2 watts from 500 watts. Great job EVGA ! All on air.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 20:49:33
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i was able to do all that before the new bios. they are doing a good job at tricking you tho. If you want ill revert to stock bios and show you 470w... but if i show you a Gaming X user with the 500w bios and you see his gpuz you will feel dumb. Its NOT working
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 21:01:25
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if you go to other forums a check out the other 3pin users with this bios, they are gaining 500,800, and in extreme cases 1000+ points in their port royal scores. And they are posting screenshots.... Even for the users coming from the 480w Asus bios they are showing real tangible improvements from only 20watts so do me a favor and run the benchmark and tell me how much your scores have improved. How many hundreds of points higher are they now compared to before????? It should have gone up effortlessly and significantly like the non Evga users...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 21:06:27
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this is an evga forum. we're all more or less fans of evga in one way or another. the fact that in ten pages of posts we don't have a single, let alone multiple, example of people showing off their awesome new scores on their awesome evga cards with their awesome new bios tells you everything you need to know. if it worked, we wouldn't have to beg people to prove it with tangibly improved benches, they'd be bragging about it left and right and posting all the evidence we'd need. instead, the only bragging occurring is on other forums by users of other cards. @Jacob...please consider the absurdity of this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 21:27:20
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I'm on a friends ftw3 ultra 3090. I'm getting as high as 514W listed as the max board power draw with 311W to the CPU on GPU-z using the bios in this thread (on Destiny 2). However, even though the board is consuming more power now, it is not changing the performance metrics at all. In fact, I cannot hit some OCs I could before the update. It hasn't seemed to improve in-game FPS either in the few games I tried.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 21:56:53
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So I got some interesting results. I did multiple runs of Doom Eternal while tweaking settings since its a game I haven't booted up in forever. At some point things seem to have "unlocked" and I was getting a ton more power draw, not quite 500, but consistently over 450w. So much so that it caused my 1500va UPS to warn me about power draw (approaching its 865w limit). I shut everything down to reconfigure my power (pull everything off the battery backup but the PC) and since then I haven't been able to get it to "unlock". Normally I am seeing well under 450w and hard capping at 450. Screenshot 1 is a pic of the performance I was somewhat seeing "unlocked" (sustained 450w+), screenshot 2 is what I see 99.999% of the time; hard cap of 450w, in the range of 420-450 in Doom Eternal at 4k w/ everything on ultra nightmare. https://i.imgur.com/SEZ4YIy.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/iBt4oOk.jpg
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 22:52:22
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http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/20/10/23/rde.png No overclock, only PL maxed out, no voltage. Doom Eternal, no motion blur, Ultra Nightmare. Vsync/Gsync off, Borderless Window Cpu: 10980xe GPU: FTW3 (Flashed Ultra into XOC Bios) PSU: ax1600i MOBO: x299 Dark 4k HDR On average, it hovered 450-460.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 23:42:43
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All they have to do is de-couple the pcie sensor balancing from the rest of the board. If they cant do that with bios flash, then change the ratio of balancing, and if they cant do that, well, maybe fix it on a hardware level and offer people replacements later when the red accents get converted to black. Red accent cards = power limit coupled, Black accents = decoupled But the fact that such an expensive model is gimped by over engineering when the cheapest models on the market are gaining performance from this is quite obsurd. If you think about it, the ftw3 technically has less value to most people than the gaming X trio since the trio isnt locked down
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 23:49:06
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The 500W BIOS on my MSI RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 02:03:29
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How can I go back to original OC Vbios?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 02:49:51
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Just flash it with nvflash? You took a backup I presume but if not, it can be downloaded and links are available earlier in this thread.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 03:44:50
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Feedback: It doesn't work properly. Pretty simple. All we need to know is whether this is a software fix or hardware limited.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 03:53:36
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Guys lets all chill a moment. EVGA will figure this out. We are the testers. If its possible to change in a bios they will. Hey Jacob thanks for replying. I appreciate your work. Questions that come to mind. 1. God you said you went from stock bios to this right? But Jay confirmed in a video the card shipped with two different bios - maybe one when updated from to this actually works?? 2. Power supplies coming in to play? 3. Resolutions coming into play? Just thinking out loud...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 04:55:39
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Adding on to what was mentioned by the lord above : D0 bios set 80 w on pci slot and 450 w max XOC bios set 75W on pci slot and 500 w max (but max core wattage is reduced due to what was mentioned earlier) If 8 pin is a multiplier of pci slot power and in fact it is a difference in pci slot power as above in the bioses, to me it sounds like the bios can in fact change the pci slot max power and as a result with multipliers reach higher total wattage for the core. Hence cant just the max power on pci slot be set to say 85W or 90W and with the multiplier and limits hw wise we can still reach a higher total core power even though we are out of pci slot spec for max wattage. Or have I misunderstood something ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 05:41:30
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I just installed the OC Bios only and upon reboot started getting a bunch screen artifacts and eventually a crash and reboot. Was able to flip back to the other BIOS and everything appears to be fine. Not sure why the card would start exhibiting issues at stock settings, but something is flaky.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 05:50:11
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Couldn’t a simple test behind closed doors be to make an unrestricted BIOS or 800W - and then hammer the crap out of it under good cooling conditions to see what the cards technical/electrical limit actually is? If you did this and it couldn’t go above 500W then question is answered... if it does, well then its simply bios/driver related and is a matter of fine tuning.
My point is that it should be real easy to understand this issue.
Personally I don’t really care either way, I like to test and help out, But I wont run my system normally on anything more than stock or a little slider bumpin’
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 06:02:54
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Where can I find the original OC bios ultra, didn't save a copy upon flashing to the beta OC. Thanks
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 06:09:47
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I do want to note that while I am hitting over 500W (here or there every so often) it is not having any effect on improving my performance and most of the time it is not at 500W or close to it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/23 06:28:40
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do you want a 100% conclusive answer? Message BUILDZOID. He in 5min can tell us literally everything we need to know as well as if its hardware limited and whether it can be fixed via software. As long as he got 3 or 4 ppl ask him he would make a video on this channel. I would hate it coming to this and exposing Evga but if they are being intentionally deceitful; well that doesnt sit well with me. But at this point i give them the benefit of the doubt... for a few more days
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