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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 10:24:03 (permalink)
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/599612
 
 3090 ftw3 ultra 2014 ser red lips
One of the last runs I just did.... +195 +1420 119% 91F voltage slider 0
444.8w peak with PerfCap pwr at the start of the test.... PCIe slot max 79.5w... peak Pin1 115w pin2 130.9w pin3 120.8
 
wish I could figure out what's tripping the pwr so I could fix it.... was looking into a program that would let me open the bios and look/modify it... but think imma wait for EVGA to come out with something... IDK yet still waiting for my Optimus water block to get in to see if that's gonna make any difference
 
could also roll the drivers back a few and see if that helps as well
 
ambient case temp inside was around 18-19c
 
but in games with 119% and 91F set and fans 100% I have peaked 470w+ so no clue 
 
post edited by vlcapata - 2020/12/05 10:51:29
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 11:22:24 (permalink)
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https://www.3dmark.com/pr/599612
 
 3090 ftw3 ultra 2014 ser red lips
One of the last runs I just did.... +195 +1420 119% 91F voltage slider 0
444.8w peak with PerfCap pwr at the start of the test.... PCIe slot max 79.5w... peak Pin1 115w pin2 130.9w pin3 120.8
 
wish I could figure out what's tripping the pwr so I could fix it.... was looking into a program that would let me open the bios and look/modify it... but think imma wait for EVGA to come out with something... IDK yet still waiting for my Optimus water block to get in to see if that's gonna make any difference
 
could also roll the drivers back a few and see if that helps as well
 
ambient case temp inside was around 18-19c
 
but in games with 119% and 91F set and fans 100% I have peaked 470w+ so no clue 
 




It's the PCIE Slot tripping the power limit.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 11:47:38 (permalink)
that's kinda what I was figuring..... damn it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 11:50:37 (permalink)
Isn't the standard vBIOS also exceeding the 75W PCIe specification?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 11:53:46 (permalink)

My card is a Taiwan card, but it draws over 500W sustained in almost every application with the XOC Bios. This screenshot was from playing Metro Exodus and it peaked at 538W and averaged around 505W in gameplay. All three Pcie power connectors were drawing over 150W and the Pcie Slot was drawing around 80W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 11:58:00 (permalink)
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My card is a Taiwan card, but it draws over 500W sustained in almost every application with the XOC Bios. This screenshot was from playing Metro Exodus and it peaked at 538W and averaged around 505W in gameplay. All three Pcie power connectors were drawing over 150W and the Pcie Slot was drawing around 80W.



That's pretty impressive actually. I'm hoping to have similar results when I eventually try the new BIOS. 4-5W over the spec isn't a big concern for me. But I've seen some going as high as 85W+ which is getting a bit crazy.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 12:05:07 (permalink)
wow if I could get that with this card.... this card would be a monster!!!! that's awesome grats on the great card
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 12:09:57 (permalink)
For this card, the highest Pcie slot power draw I've seen was only 81W and usually stays at around 78-80W during sustained load. I have no idea why my card was able to draw 155+W on all three Pcie power connectors without doing a shunt mod while most people on this thread was only able to achieve around 130W. I feel like there is definitely some variances on the cards or else why are there some cards that can only draw 440W while my card can draw over 540W.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 12:22:11 (permalink)
how are you getting 12.7v on the 3 pins??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 12:28:32 (permalink)
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how are you getting 12.7v on the 3 pins??


I have no idea, I'm using a Corsair AX1200 and at idle all three Pcie power connectors are pulling around 12.1-3v and up to 12.9v during load. Before I upgraded to the RTX3090, I was running dual EVGA Classified GTX 780 Ti in SLI and those never pulled over 12.1v. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 12:55:38 (permalink)
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how are you getting 12.7v on the 3 pins??




SRC Voltage reads like that in GPU-Z.  It can go as high as 15v!  I do not know if this is a bug or just how the SRC operates.  There is no corresponding value in hwinfo64 that would seem to match SRC, so it's very possible it's a bug.  And of course it is very possible it's not a bug either.  I just asked on the GPU-Z forums just now about this.
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 14:05:07 (permalink)
So I got my new 3090 from rma. It's black lips and 2014. On stock oc bios I got average of 440 watts in a 10 min furmark run. Pcie slot power draw was 73 average. Third pin as everyone has said on all bios was about 20 watts less average. Got 175 gpu clock and 1275 mem. Port Royal score of 14274. Not sure if I want to try the xoc bios again as they kinda caused my cards third fan to not run (at all) and the rgb to totally freeze. However I am currently having a weird issue with px1 in that I set my fan speeds to 80. Apply and save. Then I exit the app, go back in and the first two fans have changed to 86 and the third 79. I don't understand lol.
post edited by chase10784 - 2020/12/05 14:27:53
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 15:04:58 (permalink)
oscar92070

 
My card is a Taiwan card, but it draws over 500W sustained in almost every application with the XOC Bios. This screenshot was from playing Metro Exodus and it peaked at 538W and averaged around 505W in gameplay. All three Pcie power connectors were drawing over 150W and the Pcie Slot was drawing around 80W.


That's crazy...  is it a new card? Compare to me, PR run 13997 (my 2nd highest). This is with 500w bios. 
https://i.imgur.com/PVv93nh.png
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 16:25:47 (permalink)
Yeah I'm getting around 450 max and it seems to throttle power across the board when pcie hits 78 max. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 17:00:29 (permalink)
Anyone tried the XC3 bios on FTW3 Ultra ? It should basically acts like the third 8 pin has a massive shunt mod on it right ?
Any feedback on that ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 17:16:59 (permalink)
it will increase total power draw, but does not solve the high pcie slot power draw
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 17:20:24 (permalink)
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Anyone tried the XC3 bios on FTW3 Ultra ? It should basically acts like the third 8 pin has a massive shunt mod on it right ?
Any feedback on that ?


Yes. 14200 to 14800 on port royal.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 17:21:57 (permalink)
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Anyone tried the XC3 bios on FTW3 Ultra ? It should basically acts like the third 8 pin has a massive shunt mod on it right ?
Any feedback on that ?


Yes. 14200 to 14800 on port royal.



Thanks. Good to daily ? Any drawbacks ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 17:32:58 (permalink)
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Thanks. Good to daily ? Any drawbacks ?


Fans don't work right under load, and oscillate up and down a lot for my card. I'm hoping I can alleviate that with a hybrid kit and offloading the radiator fans onto a PWM fan controller.
 
Temps are higher for obvious reasons, but my refurb card is hotter than the old one - and I'm not going to pull it apart for a repaste until I get the hybrid kit.
 
So for now I only use it for benchmarks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 19:28:13 (permalink)
so IDK what I did.... or HOW... but I somehow got the card to pull 493w on a non OC time spy.... I've tired moving my cable around... uninstall this and that to reinstall it...... and  somehow on the run was well my gpu core did 326w this is strange 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 21:00:21 (permalink)
AC in the room is as cold as I can make it, and the sides of my case have been removed. Took out two sticks of RAM and running on 3800cl16.

Using MSI Afterburner with max voltage, power, temp, +115 clock, +500 mem, max GPU fans. I also have all RGB disabled, and my case fans set to max.

Time Spy results:

My score with the original BIOS (20,206): https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54318668?
My score with the XOC BIOS (20,194): https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54320111?

Max power draw in both cases seemed to hover around 450W, suggesting that the XOC BIOS isn't really doing anything for me for total power draw - I'm getting similar results either way.

Max PCIe slot power 79.9W on the original OC BIOS, and 81.3W on the XOC BIOS, both more or less around 80W.

FWIW: Red-lips card, purchased from Newegg on Nov 9.
post edited by marcus_andrews - 2020/12/05 21:43:33

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 21:30:40 (permalink)
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Anyone tried the XC3 bios on FTW3 Ultra ? It should basically acts like the third 8 pin has a massive shunt mod on it right ?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 21:36:04 (permalink)
So close to 15k... https://www.3dmark.com/pr/596910
(Taiwan, Day one card on air X0C BIOS. Though its very cold outside)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 21:57:42 (permalink)
that 44c is awesome!!! I can only get it to stay in the 50s lol 
 
 but when the water blocks get here..... wooohoooo
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 22:20:47 (permalink)
I ended up selling my regular FTW3 Ultra and had a Hybrid delivered today. Is there going to be a hybrid 500W released?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/05 22:22:47 (permalink)
Yeah i can confirm this bios update made me lose performance. I am not hitting 500 watt let alone 400 watts now. So DO NOT DOWNLOAD! I'm pretty dissapointed in EVGA's response to all this. I understand since the only probable way to fix this is to allow the customers to send their cards back for RMA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/06 00:18:16 (permalink)
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AC in the room is as cold as I can make it, and the sides of my case have been removed. Took out two sticks of RAM and running on 3800cl16.

Using MSI Afterburner with max voltage, power, temp, +115 clock, +500 mem, max GPU fans. I also have all RGB disabled, and my case fans set to max.

Time Spy results:

My score with the original BIOS (20,206): https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54318668?
My score with the XOC BIOS (20,194): https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/54320111?

Max power draw in both cases seemed to hover around 450W, suggesting that the XOC BIOS isn't really doing anything for me for total power draw - I'm getting similar results either way.

Max PCIe slot power 79.9W on the original OC BIOS, and 81.3W on the XOC BIOS, both more or less around 80W.

FWIW: Red-lips card, purchased from Newegg on Nov 9.




Looks like we got a similar card bud, we play the waiting game from here on sadly.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/06 02:34:28 (permalink)
I just got done testing a few things in Port Royal across different bios on the FTW3 Ultra here's what I found:
 
I got around 13900 using XOC beta bios and tweaked it and got around 14250 after struggling a lot, I had to OC on core by like 200 very unstable. Overall average core clock was around 1950-1980 which was abysmal.
 
I tried the original 107% power limit bios and scored 13600 and then got it up to 13900 and I believe 14100 after a while, core clocks more or less the same....
 
I then installed the XC3 bios that has 105% power limit and I found something surprising...
Average core clock stayed around 2050-2100 rarely dipped lower than 2000mhz on a +130 core clock oc in Port Royal. Scored 14200, couldn't get more without crashing. I cant read wattage use with this bios.
 
It seems surprising to me that this bios is easier to use to maintain those high core clocks... at only 105% power limit. 
 
Hope this helps someone
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/06 04:32:11 (permalink)
So I guess EVGA is not going to address the issues with this bios? Should I just RMA my card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/06 05:39:05 (permalink)
From my understanding they are aware of whats going on....... and are looking into it. Stock bios i don't go over 450w and xoc highest I've seen on my card was 493w on time spy so yes it does something when you don't OC the card..... but all the other stuff I have no clue whats going on
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