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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 03:28:19
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I´m a little bit shocked about the behaviour of some people here over a BETA bios that´s not nearly a day out...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 03:29:51
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If there is a bug they will ofc fix it and yes it is a beta. What is really strange though is that many people with the same hardware (card) get so different results ? Or could it be related to psu or something else ??
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 03:29:58
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I just wanted to come here and thank @EVGA_JacobF.
The 500W BIOS works great!... on my MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio.
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You just wait till I get my shunts installed!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 05:13:23
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Same here...could not get passed 450w.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 05:15:20
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Same here...could not get passed 450w.
Then you are clearly being limited elsewhere, probably thermally. Don't expect to be hitting 500w on air. That's very unrealistic. Games like Metro will definitely hit 500 on water. If EVGA releases a proper XOC bios with 1.125v at some point then 550-600 on water can be expected in some titles. This isn't XOC, just high PL bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 06:20:31
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Same issue as many others, installed the new XOC Bios, card ended up performing similarly if not worse. Power draw remained similar between the old and new BIOS in all the benchmarks and tests I ran, stabilizing ~435 w/ peaks at 450. GPU-Z monitoring reports PL as being the limiting factor on either BIOS, not thermal limit as suggested by Klimos. In the meantime I'll just revert to the old bios, hopefully EVGA will clarify whether or not this BIOS is working, and if it is working, under what specific conditions/workloads we can expect the cards to run at 500watts. Frustrating to see other people tossing this "exclusive" BIOS on their other AIB cards and them just boosting to 500 watts solid in benchmarks when the best I can get is 450. It is what it is I suppose.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 06:39:25
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Still optimistic they can get this to work for everyone
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 06:50:57
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Hi Jacob we have installed the xoc bios on the dual 3090 setup we are using in the rip YouTube battle and keep getting black screens and PortRoyal doesn’t see hardware monitors now any ideas? OG10KTech
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 07:00:21
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I watched the FrameChasers video on it and I gotta say, I don't really agree with the conclusion he came to. His working hypothesis seemed to be that the shunt on the PCI-E was limiting total board power draw by limiting draw via the 8-Pins once the shunt detected 80+ watts on the PCI-E. After shunt modding sure, he saw a huge difference in power draw as the PCI-E was pulling more wattage, but the power draw from the 8-Pins did not seem to change drastically. Seems like all his video did was confirm that, well, shunt modding works to increase power draw (no kidding.) I'll watch it a couple more times, it was pretty late when I watched it last night, but that's what I got from the video.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 08:54:02
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The PCIE power limit makes sense to me, what makes no sense is why we aren't pulling more via the 3x8pins.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 08:54:51
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The PCIE power limit makes sense to me, what makes no sense is why we aren't pulling more via the 3x8pins.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 08:56:10
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Apparently there is a power balancing thing that is being controlled by the pcie express resistor. The FE has the same issue its not just the evga cards. Supposedly even if you shunt other resistors the board doesnt open up for you until you shunt the pcie as that seemingly opens everything up What i found funny was that jacob was acting all casual like as if its working. He tried pulling the same thing in the 3080 threads where ppl were saying they were only getting 400w not the 420 promised. And he was like "oh what are you guys talking about i am seeing 419w being drawn here on my test bench" It wasnt until there was enough complaining that evga came out with the 450 bios. Now he is pulling the same thing with the 3090 like oh what are you guys talking about its working as intended. And when ppl are like no it isnt dude and here is proof, he completely disappears
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:02:02
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I mean the fact that folks with MSI cards are able to flash theses EVGA bios and get 497w in TimeSpy (https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-3090-owners-club.1753930/post-28655352) while we with actual EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultras can't get over 450w with the same bios, says without a doubt that something is either wrong with the bios implementation on the FTW3 cards, or with the FTW3 cards themselves. There's no other possible explanation. @Jacob it'd be nice to have some acknowledgment that there is a problem and the team is looking into it, rather than some one-off screenshots of Quake 2. Happy to be patient considering it's a beta and all, but up until this point the reaction has sounded more like denial of a problem and pointing to other limitations which I don't think is going to lead to an adequate solution. Thank you, as always, for everything, and of all the problems to have, this is certainly a problem I'm happy to have (so long as it's eventually fixed ;)
I can hit 500w with FTW ultra with this bios.
What was your update process? Which bios on which switch? Which nvidia driver? which version of precision? can you link your precision settings? and can you link a gpuz showing the 500w hit with ideally a running graph of the power consumption so we can see how long you hit it during your benchmark?
Updated the OC bios on the OC switch. Precision sucks I use Afterburner. Here is a recent run with Firestrike Ultra. Can hit 500w peak with Timespy usually.
Hey there! Can you go over specifically what you did? I also updated the oc bios on the oc switch and I only used afterburner as well. My power limits are exactly the same even though I can artificially move the slider to 119%.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:02:58
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I´m a little bit shocked about the behaviour of some people here over a BETA bios that´s not nearly a day out...
I think there are a few things causing anxiety for FTW3 Ultra owners. 1) No acknowledgement that there is any type of issue or that it's being looked into. 2) This BIOS apparently working just fine (in regards to upping the power limit) for competing (and much cheaper) 3x8ping 3090 cards. Also, if 450W is the true limit of this board, thats also the power limit of their 3080 FTW3 Ultra, huge kick in the gut - double the price for the same power limit? Many of us paid up for the FTW3 Ultra expecting a card that would be a decent overclocker with increased power limits. Otherwise I would have bought a Zotac or even an XC3. I don't see the value prop of this card if it is in fact gimped. And until we hear otherwise from EVGA, all we are left with is the community's work trying to assess the situation with this BIOS.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:03:16
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So essentially the pcie slot and pci pins are locked in a ratio for max power draw, at around 1:1.67. So at 75w slot, the pins are at 125w. Since the slot can’t go above 75, neither can the pins, which caps the whole system at 75+125+125+125. Shunting the pci slot raises the lowest common denominator allowing the pins to go higher, effectively raising the total board power draw
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:14:58
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dam_j
I´m a little bit shocked about the behaviour of some people here over a BETA bios that´s not nearly a day out...
I think there are a few things causing anxiety for FTW3 Ultra owners.
1) No acknowledgement that there is any type of issue or that it's being looked into.
2) This BIOS apparently working just fine (in regards to upping the power limit) for competing (and much cheaper) 3x8ping 3090 cards. Also, if 450W is the true limit of this board, thats also the power limit of their 3080 FTW3 Ultra, huge kick in the gut - double the price for the same power limit?
Many of us paid up for the FTW3 Ultra expecting a card that would be a decent overclocker with increased power limits. Otherwise I would have bought a Zotac or even an XC3. I don't see the value prop of this card if it is in fact gimped. And until we hear otherwise from EVGA, all we are left with is the community's work trying to assess the situation with this BIOS.
But didn´t you guys know the power limit/target before you buy ? Did you all just blindly buy and be now disappointed that EVGA doesn´t have a greater target as shipped ? I don´t buy a car with 200mp/h and afterwards give the manufacturer a hard time because it can´t do 250mp/h...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:19:45
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Same issue as everyone else, no increase in draw. Weirder issue, flipping the BIOS switch back... I still am on this BIOS. Anyone else have that issue?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:21:54
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I´m a little bit shocked about the behaviour of some people here over a BETA bios that´s not nearly a day out...
I think there are a few things causing anxiety for FTW3 Ultra owners.
1) No acknowledgement that there is any type of issue or that it's being looked into.
2) This BIOS apparently working just fine (in regards to upping the power limit) for competing (and much cheaper) 3x8ping 3090 cards. Also, if 450W is the true limit of this board, thats also the power limit of their 3080 FTW3 Ultra, huge kick in the gut - double the price for the same power limit?
Many of us paid up for the FTW3 Ultra expecting a card that would be a decent overclocker with increased power limits. Otherwise I would have bought a Zotac or even an XC3. I don't see the value prop of this card if it is in fact gimped. And until we hear otherwise from EVGA, all we are left with is the community's work trying to assess the situation with this BIOS.
But didn´t you guys know the power limit/target before you buy ? Did you all just blindly buy and be now disappointed that EVGA doesn´t have a greater target as shipped ?
I don´t buy a car with 200mp/h and afterwards give the manufacturer a hard time because it can´t do 250mp/h...
I don't know if this is your first ever round of graphics card releases, but typically cards are tiered based on the amount of overclocking head room they have. BIOSs are frequently released later that sometimes up those power limits. Releasing a higher tiered product already at it's physical power limit (aka no head room) would be a huge oversight, especially for a card that costs 1799 and is billed as an overclocking variant. Anyway, continue with your trolling.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:22:09
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Same issue as everyone else, no increase in draw. Weirder issue, flipping the BIOS switch back... I still am on this BIOS. Anyone else have that issue?
Requires a reboot.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:26:18
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dexmex88
Same issue as everyone else, no increase in draw. Weirder issue, flipping the BIOS switch back... I still am on this BIOS. Anyone else have that issue?
Requires a reboot.
Yeah I've rebooted multiple times and went back and forth between the 2 BIOS's... .
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:28:44
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wwwwwwwww dexmex88
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Same issue as everyone else, no increase in draw. Weirder issue, flipping the BIOS switch back... I still am on this BIOS. Anyone else have that issue?
Requires a reboot.
Yeah I've rebooted multiple times and went back and forth between the 2 BIOS's... .
Sounds like you flashed both slots then - if you flipped the switch and flashed again without rebooting, you flashed both slots. Or perhaps you need a full shut down? Maybe something weird going on with Windows. Edit: techpowerup has a GPU list which includes the stock 3090 FTW3 Ultra VBIOS' - or you can get ahold of EVGA's tech support and they can send you the originals as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:28:47
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I understand that a mod is allowing the card to draw more wattage. But can anyone ACTUALLY prove that the hardware is limited in a way that can't be rectified and that this isn't just a workaround for a BIOS that isn't being properly implemented? Has anyone tried to upgrade their FTW3 Ultra BIOS the same way others are updating non-EVGA cards to it? I'm assuming NVflash or something. Maybe its the .exe that isn't functioning 100% properly? It's like everyone here is an IC expert and has a masters in electrical engineering. You'd think so based on how quick everyone just points the finger at hardware limitation with little or no explanation. And the whole correlation=causation argument...where a mod that reaps a result that hasn’t been proved unique to the new BIOS means suddenly that EVGA has no ability to modify power limits through BIOS or other updates.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:30:09
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Same issue as everyone else, no increase in draw. Weirder issue, flipping the BIOS switch back... I still am on this BIOS. Anyone else have that issue?
Requires a reboot.
Yeah I've rebooted multiple times and went back and forth between the 2 BIOS's... .
Sounds like you flashed both slots then. Or perhaps you need a full shut down? Maybe something weird going on with Windows.
I'm not sure how I could have flashed both slots considering I was on the one slot the entire time and didn't change over until I figured out this wasn't working.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:36:59
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Guys - Chill! We have one of the best cards in the world! EVGA will figure this out! If one person is getting m ore than 450 then we all will. Anyone try flashing to the bios on gpuz stock then to this? Jacob will figure this out. #faith
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:44:41
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I tried normal bios and upgrade to xoc. Max 438w so same as the oc xoc so to say. But I got good benchresults, on nr 75 or so in hall of fame on firestrike extreme. Power limit ofc.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:45:49
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Really guys? Just relax. EVGA will firgure this out. It's barely one day from this BETA release. You will get 500w BIOS whatsoever and even higher tdp BIOS later. Have some faith. EVGA is not going to leave this mess. Just think about it. What a story this will become if EVGA actually leave this aside and people keep talking about they actually build a BIOS for other vendors. lmao.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
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☄ Helpfulby Cool GTX 2020/10/22 10:04:09
Hi Jacob, I get an ~6.5% performance increase in 3Dmark using Afterburner instead of Precision X1... Same settings. Jayz2cents also reports this in one of his videos. Can your team please look into this? I would like to use your program, but, a performance hit like that is not worth it.
This was fixed in the latest release. Are you using this version? Also make sure the UI light bar is disabled https://www.evga.com/EVGA...cision_X1_1.1.0.11.zip
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:56:35
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Trust me, I would love nothing more than to keep my FTW3, I just ordered a $400 water block for it. Hoping this is just a bug they can rectify as well.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/10/22 09:57:45
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Trust me, I would love nothing more than to keep my FTW3, I just ordered a $400 water block for it. Hoping this is just a bug they can rectify as well.
im keeping it no matter what. my sample is excellent and i also ordered that water block
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