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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 17:06:44 (permalink)
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I scored 14611 on Port Royal.
Can't add it because it's on the hotfix driver, which isn't "approved".  Yikes.
 
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/52821285?
 
3090 FE @ +150 / +500 core, ram, 530W power limit.
Core clock ranged from 2100 to 2085 mhz during the entire run.  It did "flag" the power limit flag but I don't think any downclocking occurred except from temps (66C max).
Clock was 2115 mhz before bench started (clockspeed locked at full at idle).




What is that bios of 530w ?




Shunt modded 3090 FE (Shunts painted with 842AR MG chemicals silver conductive paint, which is around 15 mOhms) and backplate side modded with full 1.5mm , 11 to 12 w/mk high quality thermal pads (Fujipoly 11 w/mk and Thermalright Odyssey 12 w/mk).  Pads on both GDDR6X and extra pads for hotspot PCB areas.  Since it's air cooling I am limited by thermals pretty heavily.


So that actually works?  I considered trying that at one time and people pretty much across the board said no way that's gonna work so I didn't bother.  Can you provide a link to the product you're using on the shunts?

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 17:43:34 (permalink)
So my first 3090 FTW3 died while gaming with this BIOS...which scared me quite a bit.  Cranked up Alien Isolation, spun around from the save point and BAM - black screen and a dead card. EVGA took care of business and I've had this new card for a good bit and couldn't resist giving the 500W another go. Been collecting a lot of data while benchmarking looking for the best OC.  Went beyond 3DMark and also used 17 games of various ages with built in tests to ensure I had the optimal OC (at least within my skills).  Good news is the new card is rock solid so far even though I've been beating on it at 4K with ALL the bells and whistles on for a couple days.  Not the best specimen though - ended up with Volts/Watts/Temp pegged & +120 core/+350 mem.  Saw consistent crashes in Batman Arkham Origins at +135 Core (?the snow's geometric tessellation maybe?) and my FPS started to degrade at 375 mem and slowly got worse and worse through 400/450 (when I stopped). 71-75C peak w/ fans @ 100% and ambient temp 72-79F in an open test stand-ish case.
 
While I set a lot of personal records with the 500w BIOS it was only by a hair in most games and 3DMark. It didn't help out a whole lot. That said...it is working somewhat for me but it's very application dependent yet repeatable. While most games on my setup now average 440-460W with the 500W BIOS these two make an interesting study and are polar opposites:
 
Company of Heroes 2 - 469.7W average over 3 runs with an average peak over 11 runs of 506.0W (it even bounced off of 510.4W once  ) - 1890-1950 Mhz core throughout
This game isn't shy at all with power...spends a bunch of time on the high side of 480W. I think the highest spike I ever recorded on this stock BIOS (.16) was 471W.  
 
Now on the other end of the spectrum:
Batman Arkham Origins - 395.5W average over 3 runs with the highest spike being 431W - pretty much stuck on 2055 Mhz core (+/-15 Mhz)
This game...wow...constantly seeing <400W.  I mean it looks and runs great (80 FPS avg) but depending on the scene I'm even seeing <380W quite a bit and <360W sporadically. That said, 2055-2085 Mhz is about all I can get out of my core (and only in these lightly loaded games) so maybe that's all she has. Limiting is a mostly voltage with power occasionally also stepping in (maybe 30% of the time) so that jives.
 
I would be curious as to how these two titles behave with a Strix or Gaming X Trio with the 500W BIOS.  Is each card's internal power strategies really that much different?  Is is just a matter of not needing the power in certain games to get the job done or is there more frames out there in the applications that don't fully load power-wise? 
post edited by 2trevorj - 2020/11/09 18:00:06
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 19:37:40 (permalink)
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So that actually works?  I considered trying that at one time and people pretty much across the board said no way that's gonna work so I didn't bother.  Can you provide a link to the product you're using on the shunts?




Yeah. This and a wooden toothpick.
 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MCXW1Y1/
 
You need to scrape the conformal coating off the original shunt silver edges (if there is any there) until it's a bright silver.  You can use a micro flat head screwdriver to do it.  Just go very very slow, VERY slow.  You do not want to scratch something else or rip something off.  When done removing the conformal coating, clean all around the shunt with near pure isopropyl alcohol, then it's time to paint and bridge the two silver edges of the shunt.
 
Like I did in my picture.
 
https://i.imgur.com/3tdBRJd.jpg
 
Then use the toothpick and VERY SLOWLY and carefully paint it.  The silver paint acts like a real life paint, except it's toxic.  I would use the jar rather than the pen (842AR is the code for the material), and take your time.  

If it's a large tool "wooden toothpick type tool" (like what you get with a rockit cool delid kit), you can clean the "toothpick" when you're done with isopropyl alcohol and a napkin if you want to use it later.  The paint comes right off.  Normal kitchen toothpicks just discard.
 
End result is like stacking a 10-15 mOhm resistor on top of the original 5 mOhm shunt.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 21:42:48 (permalink)
The paint will likely add resistence, better to solder
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 22:32:38 (permalink)
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peak>450w in previous bios(D0) is very often and easily.

 
Feel disappointed is why other AIB card(MSI&colorful) use the beta bios can easily and nearly reach 500W?
i don't think the ftw3u's phase power design is worse than other AIB entry-level cards






Hey, could I ask where you found the Vbios update using the EVGA bios that a user did on their colorful card? Much appreciated :p
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/09 22:39:36 (permalink)
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The paint will likely add resistence, better to solder



The paint adds 15 mOhms of resistance.  It's listed right in their specs.  It's been tested by two people already.
It's not perfect but it's close enough.  And soldering if you aren't good at it can completely destroy a board.
One person was unable to melt the solder on a 3090 FE.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 00:47:40 (permalink)
 I found what it seam to be the problem about crashing with new 3000 serie gpu.
-some game with overclock at +140 on gpu is fine and card will boost at right place but some other game it will crash coz it try to boost to high then you drop the overclock at +50 and it will pass.
 
-if you keep ur oc at +50 with game can pass at +140 then you lost some performance.
 
-So its clear the problem still come from the everage boost clock over different title. The shunt mod maybe help coz it lie the ammount of power delivery then the problem is like under control.
 
 
-They just need to get more mature driver to get a constant boost clock over all title coz actually it boost like a rollercoster over different title.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 04:34:42 (permalink)
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The paint will likely add resistence, better to solder



You're adding resistance in parallel with another resistor, which drops the overall resistance. 
 
EDIT: Apparently my source link got stripped.  Alternate source: I'm an electrical engineer.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 07:30:31 (permalink)
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The paint will likely add resistence, better to solder



The paint adds 15 mOhms of resistance.  It's listed right in their specs.  It's been tested by two people already.
It's not perfect but it's close enough.  And soldering if you aren't good at it can completely destroy a board.
One person was unable to melt the solder on a 3090 FE.




Then they were using a garbage iron to begin with. Soldering is safer than using "conductive paint" no clue which "youtuber" decided it was a good idea, it's not.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 07:53:39 (permalink)
Still not sure what's causing my hard locks. Can't be me only experiencing this issue. Issue did not exist on several 3090 FE's I had on here. BIOS/UEFI posts correctly, it starts to load Windows, black screen. Hard lock, keyboard doesn't respond to numlock, hard power off and on and works fine. Completely random. Games work fine stock, OC on beta bios. I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 08:23:46 (permalink)
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Still not sure what's causing my hard locks. Can't be me only experiencing this issue. Issue did not exist on several 3090 FE's I had on here. BIOS/UEFI posts correctly, it starts to load Windows, black screen. Hard lock, keyboard doesn't respond to numlock, hard power off and on and works fine. Completely random. Games work fine stock, OC on beta bios. I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

Yeah, I've been experiencing the same thing. I think it's definitely related to the card as this never happened with my 2080ti
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 08:25:55 (permalink)
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Still not sure what's causing my hard locks. Can't be me only experiencing this issue. Issue did not exist on several 3090 FE's I had on here. BIOS/UEFI posts correctly, it starts to load Windows, black screen. Hard lock, keyboard doesn't respond to numlock, hard power off and on and works fine. Completely random. Games work fine stock, OC on beta bios. I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

Yeah, I've been experiencing the same thing. I think it's definitely related to the card as this never happened with my 2080ti



Great.

With the lack of communication from EVGA regarding the fact no one can hit the 500W limit, GPU-Z reporting Pwr Limit throttling @ 450W, AND the hard locking issue (confirmed happens on stock BIOS as well), I guess I may just return this. I have another 3090 FE coming in tomorrow already. Very disappointed in EVGA, not because of the issues but the lack of communication about them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:00:00 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:09:10 (permalink)
I actually can hit just about 500w according to HWInfo, but it rarely goes above 450. Timespy makes it hit just about 500w on the second test every time
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:09:59 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:13:30 (permalink)
Yeah I'm pretty disappointed in general too. For just about 1900 bucks we deserve better support. Usually EVGA has top notch customer service, I don't know what's going on with them. This is my first time hearing about multiple people's cards dying on them.. hope it doesn't happen to me. I almost want to sell it and just go with a 3080 from ASUS or something
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:16:20 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.


I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:16:32 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm pretty disappointed in general too. For just about 1900 bucks we deserve better support. Usually EVGA has top notch customer service, I don't know what's going on with them. This is my first time hearing about multiple people's cards dying on them.. hope it doesn't happen to me. I almost want to sell it and just go with a 3080 from ASUS or something



It seems like a manufacturing defect, somewhere. The lack of communication is what I have issues with. If you aren't going to publicly acknowledge an issue and let people know it's being actively investigated and fixed why should we keep the product? You want to continuously RMA your card for the next 5 to 10 years? Advanced RMA fees should be waived right now due to this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:22:58 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.


I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. 




S5 is disabled for USB and ErP is turned off. Not sure how you can even completely turn off S5.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:24:40 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.


I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. 




S5 is disabled for USB and ErP is turned off. Not sure how you can even completely turn off S5.




Why OFF ? I turned it ON.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:28:35 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.


I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. 




S5 is disabled for USB and ErP is turned off. Not sure how you can even completely turn off S5.




Why OFF ? I turned it ON.




LOL

I read what you said as you had the issue WHEN you turned on S5...So you just turned on USB power on standby and that fixed it? That seems...odd...ErP was already off though and I am not sure that affects S5 at all.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:32:11 (permalink)
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I still haven't flashed back to stock bios yet so unsure if that's what's triggering it.

I'd bet dollars to pesos if you flash back to stock, your instability will be gone. 




I have NO stability issues. This is specifically preventing the computer from booting up correctly. Stock bios no difference, goes through startup POST and hardlocks right before Windows would load. Only happens with this card. Others are reporting it and the other 3090 FTW3 thread made me already decide to get rid of the card. So many cards are straight dying and EVGA seems to be super quiet about it.


I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. 




S5 is disabled for USB and ErP is turned off. Not sure how you can even completely turn off S5.




Why OFF ? I turned it ON.




LOL

I read what you said as you had the issue WHEN you turned on S5...So you just turned on USB power on standby and that fixed it? That seems...odd...ErP was already off though and I am not sure that affects S5 at all.




Is my english real that bad ?? " but NOT anymore since i ACTIVATED S5 in the BIOS." 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 09:34:52 (permalink)
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Is my english real that bad ?? " but NOT anymore since i ACTIVATED S5 in the BIOS." 




No issues with your English.
 
"I had the same issue, but not anymore since i activates S5 in the BIOS. "
 
I read it as "I had the same issue, since i activates S5 in the BIOS. " that's why I was confused.
 
What exact option did you turn on in the BIOS because I can only turn on USB power which shouldn't affect the PCI-E slot at all.
post edited by LVNeptune - 2020/11/10 09:41:05
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 10:50:00 (permalink)
Hmm, what power usage are people getting when running port royal??
 
I flashed the beta XOC bios to 3090FTW3 3985KR, non Ultra version, no gsync and set power to preferred performance on nv panel. I am getting 1955 - 1975Mhz boost clock, highs at 2055Mhz during a couple port royal runs, got score 13803. Power usage was only around 390-400W on gpu-z and nvidia performance monitor. Using Corsair RMi 1000W PSU. 3 separate PCI-E cables from PSU, 9700K 4.9Ghz. No other components that use a lot of power
 
settings: +200 core, 100 voltage, 119 power limit, 100% fan on 3090FTW3 3985KR
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 10:58:30 (permalink)
compared to Doom Eternal average 475w, it's 50W lower on Port Royal & Time Spy hover around 425w.  
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 11:54:01 (permalink)
Yeah I ordered it already back stocked to say the least. Second batch ships any time this month I have read.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 12:06:13 (permalink)
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Yeah I ordered it already back stocked to say the least. Second batch ships any time this month I have read.



Wrong thread?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 13:06:04 (permalink)
Buildzoid pretty much all over the ftw3 as cheaping out components, and then Frame Chasers said the engineering on the board limited the total power draw to the pcie slot, and also put fuses in line to not want you the shunt their cards on top
 
EVGA the bed this gen completely, are they doing, huge disapointment coming 3 generations from evga,  it only takes 1 bad generation to leave a bad taste in mouth
post edited by Sajin - 2020/11/10 13:17:56
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 13:21:28 (permalink)
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Buildzoid pretty much all over the ftw3 as cheaping out components, and then Frame Chasers said the engineering on the board limited the total power draw to the pcie slot, and also put fuses in line to not want you the shunt their cards on top
 
EVGA the bed this gen completely, are they doing, huge disapointment coming 3 generations from evga,  it only takes 1 bad generation to leave a bad taste in mouth




Watching the video now...Crazy dude, after the whole "cap issue" at launch.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/10 13:36:52 (permalink)
Just watched gamers nexus rip this trash to pieces. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM
 
.... now it all is starting to make sense. 
 
Nice job EVGA... cudos to you. I'll sit here with my clown makup on. You got me. I was an EVGA fanboy... and you got me. 
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