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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 18:38:35
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EVGA needs to go back to the drawing board, sorry but it's the truth
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 20:06:37
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changboy
If i keep my oc at +140 and +650 and try play far cry 5 i got a bluscreen !
if i play the division 2 no problem
if i play shadow of tomd raider game crash after some minutes in game
so i drop my oc to +50 and +200
With this oc cpuz show me a power draw of the board of 493w ! Ya i have flash the bios with the beta for check.
So its seam this card need a lot of power and this can be the issue of crashing, maybe if the power need can't be done then you have a crash or bluscreen.
-So its seam the bios or the card cant correctly allocate some power draw for different game coz its seam stability is really sensitive versus the game you play.
Usually you put some oc and its done for every game but now its NOT.
Dont get me wrong, the card still verry powerfull but it need some update i think.
Changboy, which BIOS did you flash? Did you use the ones provided in this forum discussion? If so, which one? So far I have not reached the wattage that you have. Thanks!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 20:50:14
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Do I have a golden chip or something? 3dmark Time Spy graphics score of 21,767 so far. Gaming for 5+ hours and benching, totally stable, no crashes in RDR/COD/BFV/MSFS...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 21:12:02
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That’s impressive. What are your clocks? Which bios are you using? What is your psu & cpu & motherboard?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 21:15:14
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That’s impressive. What are your clocks? Which bios are you using? What is your psu & cpu & motherboard?
+180 Core, +800 Mem. Using the bios from the first page ITT. EVGA 1000W. MSI MEG Z390 ACE with a 9700K @ 4.9ghz
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/07 21:27:34
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That’s a great system! Glad those clocks are working stable for you. Something for me to shoot for. I’ve been able to clock near that, but a few games can’t handle it, like assassins creed odyssey. Did you use the OC or normal one?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 04:20:41
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Extra300
Do I have a golden chip or something? 3dmark Time Spy graphics score of 21,767 so far. Gaming for 5+ hours and benching, totally stable, no crashes in RDR/COD/BFV/MSFS...
Nice clocks. How long ago did you receive your card?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 04:29:00
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That’s impressive. What are your clocks? Which bios are you using? What is your psu & cpu & motherboard?
+180 Core, +800 Mem. Using the bios from the first page ITT. EVGA 1000W. MSI MEG Z390 ACE with a 9700K @ 4.9ghz
Whoo similar system to mine, cept I have 9900k at 5.2 GHz. Hoping I can achieve similar speeds with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 04:47:03
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That’s impressive. What are your clocks? Which bios are you using? What is your psu & cpu & motherboard?
+180 Core, +800 Mem. Using the bios from the first page ITT. EVGA 1000W. MSI MEG Z390 ACE with a 9700K @ 4.9ghz
Whoo similar system to mine, cept I have 9900k at 5.2 GHz.
Hoping I can achieve similar speeds with my 3090 FTW3 Ultra arriving tomorrow.
Nice build! I have an Aorus Z490, 10900K @ 5.2ghz and the FTW3 I ordered arrives Tuesday. I will test it to make sure it works and if they don't fix their issues and power draw within a few weeks I will sell it used for 1600 and pick up another frustration free asus tuf 3090 OC and someone will get the FTW3 I have that is willing to wait for EVGA to iron out their issues with the card which I imagine will most likely be around when the kingpin is released.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 05:22:30
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I found then i didnt use the latest precision x1 software lol, it was the 1.1.0 and i do clean unistall and install the 1.1.1 and seam its ok now. it can boost at 1950mhz to 2050mhz. It can happen its lower a bit but not like member Extra300 who boost at 2100mhz and TEMP AT 60c. This is the difference, temp at 60c not usual coz me temp go at 80c but my door of my case is close, i can try do more test for exhaus that hot air. More your card have high temp then lower the boost will be and higher power draw will be, Its working like this. I wont put a/c in front of my case and play while wear a jacket on me lol. So its normal if you put a waterblock on this card, it will boost higher while draw less power then boosting again even higher till the card reach is 500w, but just on air i saw the 500w when i game then on water this card need higher power bios but just for watercooling user, coz even you try this on air it will not bring anything better.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 05:37:49
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I have pretty good cooling/airflow in my EVGA DG87 case.
My overclocked 2080 Ti FTW3 rarely got up to 65c whilst gaming, normally around 60c or less.
Hoping I have similar with the 3090.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 05:41:16
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changboy
I found then i didnt use the latest precision x1 software lol, it was the 1.1.0 and i do clean unistall and install the 1.1.1 and seam its ok now.
it can boost at 1950mhz to 2050mhz. It can happen its lower a bit but not like member Extra300 who boost at 2100mhz and TEMP AT 60c.
This is the difference, temp at 60c not usual coz me temp go at 80c but my door of my case is close, i can try do more test for exhaus that hot air.
More your card have high temp then lower the boost will be and higher power draw will be, Its working like this.
I wont put a/c in front of my case and play while wear a jacket on me lol. So its normal if you put a waterblock on this card, it will boost higher while draw less power then boosting again even higher till the card reach is 500w, but just on air i saw the 500w when i game then on water this card need higher power bios but just for watercooling user, coz even you try this on air it will not bring anything better.
Water cooling the block will make a difference at least I hope on this card but I can tell you my 2080ti FTW on air ran at 78c and when I placed an EKWB block on it, it would hover between 58-60c with a dedicated loop 480rad. The hydro copper 2080ti I had was also stayed around the 60c mark. So the temps were great on all the cards. I am really curious to see how this card performs with an Optimus block on it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 05:56:53
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Gamer nexus try it and he were impress abd he said 10c over ambiant temp, so if ur room at 26 ur card will be at 36c, but the price of this block is crazy. I think about it actually but i want wait a bit see other option will comes in a near future.
The rtx-3090 is running hot but 10 000 core and 24gb of memory its a lot of heat. More then twice on rtx-2080ti. It's begin to be hard to upgrade performance at this level without have new tech.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 06:04:08
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Yeah the cost of the block is high but then again we also spent almost 300-400 dollars more on the FTW3 ultra as compared to your run of the mill 3090. It makes sense why they run hotter due the amount of wattage needed to power it but I would have expected it to be about 30-50% more than a 2080ti not double. Something is very wrong and the silence from EVGA is speaking volumes and as more and more users getting their cards are posting statistical benched results. The other side of the token is the real world application and crashes however I do understand the drivers can be at fault as they have not matured yet and even the developers for the applications we use need to catch up. There is of course the other variables with everyone's system, their build...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 06:12:14
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EVGA needs to go back to the drawing board, sorry but it's the truth
My main take away is this: After basically 20 years of being safe purchasing evga's top card, and being comfortable knowing you will likely have the fastest card of all the AIB's... I can't be comfortable in that any more. My 3090 FTW3 Ultra cost $1922 to my door, and to see it getting beat out by all these other companies is extremely disappointing. I'm no longer safe paying EVGA for that security. This much is obvious. They want to SAY SOMETHING or DO SOMETHING that proves me wrong... I'll happily accept that and enjoy being wrong. However, they aren't saying anything and they aren't doing anything.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 07:10:53
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Many of other user have made mod on there card by changing voltage read on pcie 8 pin connectors, then the card can draw more power. In the begening avryone got issue with new 3000 serie and that was most of the part a driver boost issue. They still working on all this.
Many of other user put some watercooling mod on the gpu chip too and its normal they boost higher.
-And do 1 benchmark of 1 minute and gaming 3 hours its not even the same thing too. My card boost sometime near 2100mhz but after 30 minutes in game it boost at 1975mhz then if you put a waterblock maybe your boost will stay at 2100mhz all the time.
If you do mod + watercooling then maybe 2200mhz is possible but there is no magik and from years its always like this.
Me i dont even ear the fan from my ftw3 ultra when i play game, and i know the fan won't start make anoying sound in 1 year coz the quality is there. The hole in the pcb give the fan blow air on the backplate wich cooling the back memory, its really a smart desing.It have 22 power phase i think. The lighting is also nice.
What you want get on ur card ? A christmas tree ? lol
Not mean its won't come better in sometime with update from bios and driver and firmware. Hey the card just came out, its a new product. From other generation, first time always be the lower performance from every cards. Maybe in 6 month the card can outperform all other brand, wait from the background of the kingpin and hydro copper one. I'am sure you will be able to get other bios with crazy performance.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 07:48:08
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I just saw a guy who made a port royal score of 15200 with asus stix 3090 ! wow i cant do that, ya some will just see that but the true is not this. He have a average boost of 2189mhz but average temp of 32c !
To get 32c when you boost like this, you need more then just watercooling, you need a chiller or semething els, or this guy have a tent in antartrca.
Sometime you need to understand the true look always beautyful unless you know what happening for real.
Same as magik :) Some like show off too and make things perfect and beautyful, but we are on earth now and nothing is perfect here. Those same people won't show off if 2 day later they begin have problem. Don't fall in all this guys coz you won't be happy.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 10:04:35
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In this vidéo the guy do honnest review on is open test bench of the strix 3090 oc and with is overclock playing at shadow of tomb raider the strix boost at 1940-1965 mhz. me with my ftw3 3090 ultra in my close pc case i just play shadow of tomb raider 45 minutes and do mild overclock +130 and + 450 and my card boost all the time at 2025mhz then drop at 2010mhz and go back at 2025mhz. No water or mod just card fresh out of the boxe like me and him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAKH_DgvX0&t=551s
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 11:53:11
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If you put power and voltage at max and put +120 on core and you put just +200 on memory it can be unstable coz the memory recirve too much voltage for its need then don't lower ur memory clock but increase it to +800 !
It's look like i more stable like this lol.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 16:32:27
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I don't like reading this thread after I just sold my 3090 FE earlier today. Got my 3090 FTW3 Ultra yesterday. I noticed what seems like every other reboot the PC hardlocks right after the UEFI loader kicks in. EDIT: To clarify I am running the "beta" bios from page one on my card. After benching I am not going over 104% even when set to 119%. No throttling except power so this makes no sense at all to me, it's as if it is still stock with a slider that does nothing since it seems to be locked to the old 104% regardless. EDIT 2: I used X1 this time, it actually requested a firmware flash on the graphics card (Not sure why?) and after that it seems to function somewhat correctly at 119%. GPU-Z still reports "Pwr" for PerfCap though. Very odd. Still random hardlock when booting though.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 17:33:01
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I can confirm without doubt that the bios that shipped to me with the card is not the same default bios that was posted here.
That default bios that shipped with the card yielded me my highest score of 14895 and also could get me game stable at 14600 settings...
Both the 500w and the "default bios" evga released max is 14600 and games table at 14200..
Fascinating.
Anyone got the original bios? I have a screenshot of it but didn't save it.
it is - 94.02.26.80.D0
The bios that shipped with card 94.02.26.80.D0, this isn't available to download so people can flash to fix issues? Sounds like to me that if its not publicly availible there must be an incompatibility issue with the firmware and bios hence a hardware change aka REV.2 board 🤔
That is what I thought, I remember the GTX 980 Classified had that and the second revision didn't work with any of the original BIOS stuff, meaning anyone with the original card had way more potential and the rest of us got crapped on Although it seems REALLY soon for that to be the case
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 17:41:16
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Changboy is correct.
This card is very very finnicky. I play a ton of games and am crashing constantly. Good luck doing a metro exodus benchmark on what you thought was a stable overclock with port royal. Anything with RTX is way easy to crash.. Unreal Engine 4 crashes constantly playing nightmare reaper or whatever else I play.
So far for an actual all game stable over clock I have to drop down to 90 and 300.... If I want to be damn sure it doesn't crash... Interestingly enough it will let it pull more power like Changboy said as well..
I'm still fairly certain this is all bios and firmware fixable...
Honestly guys... maybe its really super technical and requires serious programming... (Also - I'm one of the guys whos not gonna water block but I did do max air cooling and an air conditioner near to help so I'd really just like a totally game stable 14500.. (as in my 14500 port royal over clock can run in all games).. As of now Im at 14150-14250 that will run in all games.
You may have to go in and manually tune your voltage curve, I had to do that with my 2080 Ti's to ensure stability inside the clock speed range I was gaming at, it also has the effect of optimizing your power draw
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 17:50:34
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I'm glad we can fund EVGA to play with our money assuming this is what is happening. If we want answers then people in the cue system need to stop buying cards from EVGA but I think people are unaware of the difference between cards that are not on the forum. (I'm regretting my purchase). They are starting to look more like organized scalpers. This is sad and people with large social following would be great to call EVGA out on this. My brother has my asus 3090 and I have the ekwb block on order for him and before I slap on the block I am going to do a comparison video on YouTube and I am going to call out EVGA and do what I can to hopefully get their attention. This isn't right. Not even "we have identified some technical issues and we are working on it" from EVGA.
Constructive comments and patience are a virtue.
Commentary basically threating to start a boycott and accusing a company of something you have no clue about are not. Accusing a company of being an "organized scalper" is a powerful accusation, and borders on defamation.
The card basically does what it was advertised to do. Because you are trying to push the card above "advertised specs" does nothing for your case. I'm sorry, but it doesn't.
I understand your frustration because you do want to push the limits of the card and don't feel it is achieving what your perceive other cards are doing when pushed to those same limits. Basically, you have a couple options (I feel). One, sell your card and move on to another brand (as there is still a huge list of people waiting you will have no trouble getting your money back). Two, wait for a solution.
I keep seeing posts about how great Asus is, and I would agree (hardware wise). However, anyone ever having to deal with Asus customer service might tell you otherwise as they are in my experience one of the worst and most frustrating companies to deal with.
I agree, I totally understand people getting pissed off, I really do. But at this time, it's a little premature to be throwing a fit. They're still not even close to meeting demand, so it probably will be a while longer before we can see a fix for our problems. This is the problem with being an early adopter for any new graphics card architecture, I've done it, many, many times. And there's very rarely no issues at launch. Although I really do miss the days when power limit wasn't something that existed, it's the worst thing they ever introduced imo I too have had issues with Asus, I had a capacitor literally FALL OFF of a Kepler Titan and they wouldn't cover the warranty. Ever since then I will not buy anything made by Asus. EVGA, on the other hand, has been great. No other AIB's are selling cards based on when you clicked the Notification button, that's proper customer service. And they have never rejected an RMA, even though I bent pins one time on my x58 Classified, they still replaced it free of charge.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/08 19:24:51
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EVGA Rules. out of the box I'm kicking most peoples ass in clocks.
They release something to make us rule even harder but they obviously didn't realize that it wouldn't work.
They clearly have to fix it and they will..
A little message saying they are still involved would help but I'm sure that there are probably like 20-30 people in the world even paying attention to this thread that are wanting to overclock another 50 watts... so its not a priority but I'm sure they will fix it.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 00:22:38
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Does anyone have this bios ? My FTW3 Ultra came with it
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 02:26:39
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Are they still in the beta phase? I look forward to trying it out on my FTW3 ultra kinda wanted to wait until they release a full version of this 500w bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 02:30:42
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Does anyone have this bios ? My FTW3 Ultra came with it
So they have change the spec now ? Coz ur gpuz show a clock of 1900mhz and spec are 1800mhz, mine i recieve last wenesday have a clock speed of 1800mhz before i overclock, at least i think.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 05:10:46
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For sure. That would be beast! Using every last drop of available power to say the least.
I'd love that bios for my 3090 FTW3 ULTRA as my optimus block will surely be capable of dissipating the heat! That and six 580 radiators and two 360's all in one series loop! Cooling for the masses baby!!
Such a kick ass time to be living this technologically advanced life we're in.
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changboy
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 05:22:14
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I saw the optimus block but found it verry expensive and then go back see it again and it show as SOLD OUT lol.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA
2020/11/09 06:56:27
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Turbo-12R
I keep seeing posts about how great Asus is, and I would agree (hardware wise). However, anyone ever having to deal with Asus customer service might tell you otherwise as they are in my experience one of the worst and most frustrating companies to deal with.
EVGA and MSI are the only two customer supports that still seem to be user friendly in the USA. Asus customer support is a nightmare...
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