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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 21:07:28 (permalink)
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I think I figured it out actually.  I just started using the graphics setting for power on prefer maximum performance.  Once I changed it to adaptive or optimal power the clocks dropped.  It appears that it locks the card into a high always on state once it gets to one and wont let it down.  What the hell nvidia.


Yeah, I had it set that way originally, now I have it set to full perf only in certain programs.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 21:39:54 (permalink)
yea apparently its supposed to throttle down when no 3d applications are running but it doesn't.  Nvidia introduced the feature in 2014 you would think they could get it working right by now lol.
 
On another note,  so so close to the 500 watts problem lies within the fact that I trip the power limit, reliability voltage limit, max operating volatage limit and utilization limit right at 475ish watts thats only 114.5% of power not 119%. smh.
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 21:42:12 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 21:53:26 (permalink)
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yea apparently its supposed to throttle down when no 3d applications are running but it doesn't.  Nvidia introduced the feature in 2014 you would think they could get it working right by now lol.
 
On another note,  so so close to the 500 watts problem lies within the fact that I trip the power limit, reliability voltage limit, max operating volatage limit and utilization limit right at 475ish watts thats only 114.5% of power not 119%. smh.
 



that beats my 107% limit that I can't get around. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 22:07:04 (permalink)
My settings on the ftw3 ultra were +150 core +900 mem, for the Strix +160 +900. Power draw is much more consistent across the 3x8pin. I can now mod without worry of frying my pcie slot. Also in all applications I am able to hit the rated 480w, something just isn’t right with the power delivery on the ftw3 right now. It’s not consistent at all compared to the competition 3x8pin 3090s. Not looking back at this point. I will keep my Evga PSUs, but i will really have to think about whether I would buy another gpu from them based on this purchase experience and the value/price ratio compared to their competitors.

Sure you can say lolol1% all you want, but at the end of day I am investing over $2200 on a graphics card and waterblock, and I want to get my money’s worth. You are proposing paying the same money for an inferior product instead of holding Evga accountable.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 22:22:11 (permalink)
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My settings on the ftw3 ultra were +150 core +900 mem, for the Strix +160 +900. Power draw is much more consistent across the 3x8pin. I can now mod without worry of frying my pcie slot. Also in all applications I am able to hit the rated 480w, something just isn’t right with the power delivery on the ftw3 right now. It’s not consistent at all compared to the competition 3x8pin 3090s. Not looking back at this point. I will keep my Evga PSUs, but i will really have to think about whether I would buy another gpu from them based on this purchase experience and the value/price ratio compared to their competitors.

Sure you can say lolol1% all you want, but at the end of day I am investing over $2200 on a graphics card and waterblock, and I want to get my money’s worth. You are proposing paying the same money for an inferior product instead of holding Evga accountable.



I just ran a 13952 in Port Royal (my highest yet), that was with +150/+600, 100% fan (63c avg), and max power/voltage sliders. I'm not getting full power of course... I can likely push it a little more to break 14k, but there is no way that my settings will be stable outside of PR (not to mention the jet engine in my box that is the fans at full blast). I'm curious what water and an actual working 500w bios will do for me. 
 
It's interesting to hear that your Stix runs hotter. All the info I've absorbed so far says that the Strix runs cooler than the FTW. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 23:07:41 (permalink)
Read em and weep boys.  
 
Best port royal score yet. Only with air. Not air conditioning but a box fan blowing directly into the front of my case with the glass off may or may not have had something to do with this LMAO!!  I almost broke 480 watts too.  Port royal does push it hard enough i just keep tripping the limits ugh. Notice in the results average temp was 59c lol. 
Top 4% in port royal,  top 1%  with people running single gpu...damn it king pin jay and all of you and corsair hydro lab lol
 
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My settings, 850 mem 180 clock. Damn that box fan gets her chilly lmao. 

 
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 23:29:07 (permalink)
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My settings on the ftw3 ultra were +150 core +900 mem, for the Strix +160 +900. Power draw is much more consistent across the 3x8pin. I can now mod without worry of frying my pcie slot. Also in all applications I am able to hit the rated 480w, something just isn’t right with the power delivery on the ftw3 right now. It’s not consistent at all compared to the competition 3x8pin 3090s. Not looking back at this point. I will keep my Evga PSUs, but i will really have to think about whether I would buy another gpu from them based on this purchase experience and the value/price ratio compared to their competitors.

Sure you can say lolol1% all you want, but at the end of day I am investing over $2200 on a graphics card and waterblock, and I want to get my money’s worth. You are proposing paying the same money for an inferior product instead of holding Evga accountable.



I completely agree here. If they don't do a new revision of the board and sell a product on par with the competition, there is zero reason to buy their product. Better support maybe, but you're purposefully gimping your setup by purchasing their card. Their silence speaks volumes here. *Assuming* it requires a hardware change to fix one of the main issues at hand (fuse), what are they going to do? Replace everyone who requests a new card and honor a new warranty starting from the new card date? For the Hybrid FTW it will be even more of a slap in the face gimping that card against even it's air-cooled competition. If this doesn't get resolved for that card, it's a 100% no-buy scenario.
 
On one hand, these cards are sold out perpetually so I'm sure the empathy is a bit lacking since money is constantly flowing in due to FOMO and stock being abysmal. On the other hand, we purchased a card that, based on the pricing, should be competing with the top cards from other vendors and not just have a giant RGB bar with red lips on the side and cost more.
 
Extremely disappointed in EVGA and how this is being handled, frankly (or not handled as is the case now.) The Strix arrived at my door today and will probably end up swapping to that instead. This would be the first time since the 7900 GT KO that I have used a brand besides EVGA. Disappointed is putting it lightly and I truly hope that they respond to this instead of ignoring it away.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 23:47:05 (permalink)
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 Me i didn't update my bios, Coz its a beta bios and i dont mind to wait a bit for better and skip some problem like i read here.
 
 I just read on the rtx-3090 thread a guy with is 3090 strix update to the evga 500w bios and is strix oc better  hehehe. Anyway i will begin with my card with original bios and evga will find something in near future. Hey that card is verry powerfull like this and even in future you will get + 75mhz you wont notice that, once you play your games.
 
 If you want break world record then go ln2 and mod ur pcb but you wont game with ln2 24/24 lol. 
Its funny one day and after this life keep going.


I tested the 500w bios now on my strix. Works like a charm, confirmed.
I tried it with +125 / +800, no crash but hot up to 83 degrees. Under water this one will really perform.
post edited by zogge - 2020/11/06 23:51:33
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 23:48:26 (permalink)
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changboy
 Me i didn't update my bios, Coz its a beta bios and i dont mind to wait a bit for better and skip some problem like i read here.
 
 I just read on the rtx-3090 thread a guy with is 3090 strix update to the evga 500w bios and is strix oc better  hehehe. Anyway i will begin with my card with original bios and evga will find something in near future. Hey that card is verry powerfull like this and even in future you will get + 75mhz you wont notice that, once you play your games.
 
 If you want break world record then go ln2 and mod ur pcb but you wont game with ln2 24/24 lol. 
Its funny one day and after this life keep going.


I tested the 500w bios now on my strix. Works like a charm, confirmed.



Do all the ports work as well or no? (Multi-monitor setup)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/06 23:52:35 (permalink)
Both hdmi works for me. ( I have the oled 48cx as monitor) so I have not tried the DP yet
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 03:00:06 (permalink)
Hopefully they respond soon. I have a 3090 FTW3U on order from Amazon and I was excited to finally get a card order in. I will be running water so hopefully they can come out with an updated BIOS, in the meantime I'm still hunting for a strix.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 04:12:57 (permalink)
I know a couple people with the Asus Strix 3090 on another forum who tried the EVGA XOC 500 watt BIOS.  Their 3DMark Time Spy Extreme, Port Royal, and Fire Strike Ultra scores are all significantly higher than mine  One has the same CPU another has a different CPU, but his graphics scores are also significantly higher than mine.  Their cards sustain 460+ watts power draw while mine rarely sustains 430 watts power draw with the XOC 500w at BIOS in those benchmarks.
 
Its always a possibility my card is defective and I should get my RMA replacement for my non functional BIOS switch next week, as I mentioned in a previous post.  However people with properly working cards are reporting similar benchmark scores and power draw to mine in those benchmarks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 04:22:39 (permalink)
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I know a couple people with the Asus Strix 3090 on another forum who tried the EVGA XOC 500 watt BIOS.  Their 3DMark Time Spy Extreme, Port Royal, and Fire Strike Ultra scores are all significantly higher than mine  One has the same CPU another has a different CPU, but his graphics scores are also significantly higher than mine.  Their cards sustain 460+ watts power draw while mine rarely sustains 430 watts power draw with the XOC 500w at BIOS in those benchmarks.
 
Its always a possibility my card is defective and I should get my RMA replacement for my non functional BIOS switch next week, as I mentioned in a previous post.  However people with properly working cards are reporting similar benchmark scores and power draw to mine in those benchmarks.




 
What exactly is "significantly higher", number wise please.  Just going down the top 50 list for Port Royal, it seems to be a tradeoff between both EVGA and Asus.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 04:44:39 (permalink)
 Can someone try play far cry 5 with the same overclock if it will crash ? I mean dont just do the benchmark but go in game for 15 minutes at least.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 05:07:55 (permalink)
I'm glad we can fund EVGA to play with our money assuming this is what is happening. If we want answers then people in the cue system need to stop buying cards from EVGA but I think people are unaware of the difference between cards that are not on the forum. (I'm regretting my purchase). They are starting to look more like organized scalpers. This is sad and people with large social following would be great to call EVGA out on this. My brother has my asus 3090 and I have the ekwb block on order for him and before I slap on the block I am going to do a comparison video on YouTube and I am going to call out EVGA and do what I can to hopefully get their attention. This isn't right. Not even "we have identified some technical issues and we are working on it" from EVGA.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 05:11:37 (permalink)
Interesting.. even without the BIOS my card goes 450~ watts on 3DMark Time Spy ..

Getting close to 19,000 score
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 07:25:43 (permalink)
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I'm glad we can fund EVGA to play with our money assuming this is what is happening. If we want answers then people in the cue system need to stop buying cards from EVGA but I think people are unaware of the difference between cards that are not on the forum. (I'm regretting my purchase). They are starting to look more like organized scalpers. This is sad and people with large social following would be great to call EVGA out on this. My brother has my asus 3090 and I have the ekwb block on order for him and before I slap on the block I am going to do a comparison video on YouTube and I am going to call out EVGA and do what I can to hopefully get their attention. This isn't right. Not even "we have identified some technical issues and we are working on it" from EVGA.



 
Constructive comments and patience are a virtue.
 
Commentary basically threating to start a boycott and accusing a company of something you have no clue about are not.  Accusing a company of being an "organized scalper" is a powerful accusation, and borders on defamation.
 
The card basically does what it was advertised to do.  Because you are trying to push the card above "advertised specs" does nothing for your case.  I'm sorry, but it doesn't. 
 
I understand your frustration because you do want to push the limits of the card and don't feel it is achieving what your perceive other cards are doing when pushed to those same limits.  Basically, you have a couple options (I feel).  One, sell your card and move on to another brand (as there is still a huge list of people waiting you will have no trouble getting your money back).  Two, wait for a solution.
 
I keep seeing posts about how great Asus is, and I would agree (hardware wise).  However, anyone ever having to deal with Asus customer service might tell you otherwise as they are in my experience one of the worst and most frustrating companies to deal with.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 07:32:33 (permalink)

If i keep my oc at +140 and +650 and try play far cry 5 i got a bluscreen !
if i play the division 2 no problem
if i play shadow of tomd raider game crash after some minutes in game
so i drop my oc to +50 and +200
With this oc cpuz show me a power draw of the board of 493w ! Ya i have flash the bios with the beta for check.
So its seam this card need a lot of power and this can be the issue of crashing, maybe if the power need can't be done then you have a crash or bluscreen. 
-So its seam the bios or the card cant correctly allocate some power draw for different game coz its seam stability is really sensitive versus the game you play.
Usually you put some oc and its done for every game but now its NOT.
Dont get me wrong, the card still verry powerfull but it need some update i think. 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 07:36:03 (permalink)
Maybe a bios with 600W can resolve many problem 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 07:58:44 (permalink)
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What exactly is "significantly higher", number wise please.  Just going down the top 50 list for Port Royal, it seems to be a tradeoff between both EVGA and Asus.



Significantly higher as in outside the range of margin of error.  They were 200-300+ points higher than my scores at the same ambient temperature.
 
Many of those EVGA cards in the top 50 are Asus cards running the EVGA BIOS or they are EVGA cards with sub ambient cooling.  I know a few people with Asus cards in the top 100 who's cards show up as EVGA due to the BIOS.  The Asus and MSI cards running the EVGA BIOS show up as EVGA cards because of the EVGA BIOS.  Also, if you flash the Asus BIOS on an EVGA card it show's up as an Asus card.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 08:07:23 (permalink)
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Significantly higher as in outside the range of margin of error.  They were 200-300+ points higher than my scores at the same ambient temperature.
 
Many of those EVGA cards in the top 50 are Asus cards running the EVGA BIOS or they are EVGA cards with sub ambient cooling.  I know a few people with Asus cards in the top 100 who's cards show up as EVGA due to the BIOS.  The Asus and MSI cards running the EVGA BIOS show up as EVGA cards because of the EVGA BIOS.  Also, if you flash the Asus BIOS on an EVGA card it show's up as an Asus card.




So basically 1-2% higher, which boils down to 1-2 FPS per every 100 FPS registered.  Interesting.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 13:07:25 (permalink)
Changboy is correct.
 
This card is very very finnicky. I play a ton of games and am crashing constantly. Good luck doing a metro exodus benchmark on what you thought was a stable overclock with port royal. Anything with RTX is way easy to crash.. Unreal Engine 4 crashes constantly playing nightmare reaper or whatever else I play. 
 
So far for an actual all game stable over clock I have to drop down to 90 and 300.... If I want to be damn sure it doesn't crash... Interestingly enough it will let it pull more power like Changboy said as well..
 
I'm still fairly certain this is all bios and firmware fixable...
 
Honestly guys... maybe its really super technical and requires serious programming...   (Also - I'm one of the guys whos not gonna water block but I did do max air cooling and an air conditioner near to help so I'd really just like a totally game stable 14500.. (as in my 14500 port royal over clock can run in all games).. As of now Im at 14150-14250 that will run in all games. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 14:31:45 (permalink)
 Ya i was fine 2 days and after that begun have some crash, i keep investigate on this, but in my case i have other problem related to driver and pilote.
 
 I never do the port royal benchmark but i have try overclock scanner and my system crash always i try that.
Seam have some bug. Did you try overclock scanner if it working ?  
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 14:59:45 (permalink)
I got my 3090FTW3 Ultra yesterday (finally). Anything above Core +50 and +200 on memory and I keep crashing back to the desktop in almost every game. Somehow I managed to do 3 runs of Superposition Benchmark with +200core +1000memory, had great results. XOC Bios 500w. But the card never draws so much...max was 440. Dunno what's wrong...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 16:41:43 (permalink)
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I got my 3090FTW3 Ultra yesterday (finally). Anything above Core +50 and +200 on memory and I keep crashing back to the desktop in almost every game. Somehow I managed to do 3 runs of Superposition Benchmark with +200core +1000memory, had great results. XOC Bios 500w. But the card never draws so much...max was 440. Dunno what's wrong...





we are all waiting 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 17:05:57 (permalink)
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We are all waiting 

 
Indeed. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 17:42:13 (permalink)
It seems, at least for me, that some applications may ormay not trigger his full limit.
For example, here in modded witcher 3, 4k 120hz, i was getting most of the time a range between 114/116% TDP
Not sure why...
 

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 18:35:47 (permalink)
While running timespy runs, I finally noticed the power usage going over 107 and over 450w. Not by much, but I was seeing consistent bounces between 105 and 112, where as before I never saw over 107 (even w the new bios). Actual board draw was averaging 460 during the run, hitting 470 in spikes, with a high of 480 something. That is better than I was seeing before... but I first saw this when doing a run of timeSpy with no overclock at all (and no undervolt). If I try to overclock, my power usage drops, oddly enough. Note that the power limit is triggered at all times under load no matter what the actual draw is. The only exception to that is when I am undervolting, then the power limit shows as either not kicking in at all, or kicks on and off. But otherwise, it shows as engaged even if my draw and power levels show below what the actual limit should be... there is some voodoo going on as to what actually triggers the power limit, but whatever that is, it's not the actual power draw :-/ 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/11/07 18:36:06 (permalink)
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I'm glad we can fund EVGA to play with our money assuming this is what is happening. If we want answers then people in the cue system need to stop buying cards from EVGA but I think people are unaware of the difference between cards that are not on the forum. (I'm regretting my purchase). They are starting to look more like organized scalpers. This is sad and people with large social following would be great to call EVGA out on this. My brother has my asus 3090 and I have the ekwb block on order for him and before I slap on the block I am going to do a comparison video on YouTube and I am going to call out EVGA and do what I can to hopefully get their attention. This isn't right. Not even "we have identified some technical issues and we are working on it" from EVGA.


 
Constructive comments and patience are a virtue.
 
Commentary basically threating to start a boycott and accusing a company of something you have no clue about are not.  Accusing a company of being an "organized scalper" is a powerful accusation, and borders on defamation.
 
The card basically does what it was advertised to do.  Because you are trying to push the card above "advertised specs" does nothing for your case.  I'm sorry, but it doesn't. 
 
I understand your frustration because you do want to push the limits of the card and don't feel it is achieving what your perceive other cards are doing when pushed to those same limits.  Basically, you have a couple options (I feel).  One, sell your card and move on to another brand (as there is still a huge list of people waiting you will have no trouble getting your money back).  Two, wait for a solution.
 
I keep seeing posts about how great Asus is, and I would agree (hardware wise).  However, anyone ever having to deal with Asus customer service might tell you otherwise as they are in my experience one of the worst and most frustrating companies to deal with.  


I understand your postion but the reality is they have said nothing. There is no reason to be silent and if cards are coming back due to issues, wouldn't a responsible company hault production, find the problem and then resume once issues are rectified? Again, if they were just honest and communicated with us I would not have made the post.

I have zero intentions on pushing the card and my problem is with the power draw and instability users are experiencing. Users here instead of enjoying their cards they are stuck with troubleshooting and rmas. We shouldnt have to be doing this. Do you see the problem here?? Why it is drawing more power then all the other cards at the PCIe slot?. I call BS, I happen to be an engineer and own two successful firms and what we are seeing is a masquerade.

I've seen numerous companies in the same postion and the end result was an engineering fault. The companies collected money from clients in order to pay for additional engeering services and to re-tool machines unbeknownst to the clients. It is unfair business practice.

As far as Asus, yes their customer service was difficult to deal with years ago but recently I had an issue with ROG router and they replaced it, no questions asked. I have quite a few products from them and the reason I hadn't had to deal with their customer support was because I didn't have any issues with their products. They must have made policy changes. I have been a loyal EVGA customer for many years just as most of you have, and we deserve to know what's going on especially the amount of cash flow EVGA is bringing in. They need to stop sending out gpus until THEY resolve the problems, not us. Thank you for your post and your thoughts and please understand this is not to be construed as an attack in any manner.
post edited by jdmwrxpower - 2020/11/07 18:42:58
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