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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 04:37:22 (permalink)
Need still some assistance guys with my 3080FTW3, I'm still being power limited at 412-420w It's pretty inconsistent even with the power sliders set to 118% and GPU usage at 100% in the new MC RTX full release (Most games this happens)
Power draws are hovering around as follows
PCIE:40w
Pins 1-3: 125w 145w 110w
 
Due to the 1000 polling rate it's showed 1.1v, but due to the PL it was dropping back.
 
Doesn't crash or anything, just starts throttling voltage and clocks
PSU is a Be quiet SP11 850W with 3 seperate connectors from the GPU to the PSU.
Phantex Vertical GPU mount (Which I wouldn't think would be a wattage limitation given the GPU itself is power throttling)
 
I'm normally not one for physical mods, but it's irritating that it's droping back early..
Makes me want to do shunt mods to make it reach what it actually should.
 
Is it power limiting due to the 145w on that single connector? And if so, what's with the balancing.
 

post edited by Drwaffles - 2020/12/09 04:48:05
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 04:46:45 (permalink)
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Need still some assistance guys with my 3080FTW3, I'm still being power limited at 412-420w It's pretty inconsistent even with the power sliders set to 118% and GPU usage at 100% in the new MC RTX full release (Most games this happens)
Power draws are hovering around as follows
PCIE:40w
Pins 1-3: 125w 145w 110w
 
Due to the 1000 polling rate it's showed 1.1v, but due to the PL it was dropping back.
 
Doesn't crash or anything, just starts throttling voltage and clocks
PSU is a Be quiet SP11 850W with 3 seperate connectors from the GPU to the PSU.
Phantex Vertical GPU mount (Which I wouldn't think would be a wattage limitation given the GPU itself is power throttling)
 
I'm normally not one for physical mods, but it's irritating that it's droping back early..
Makes me want to do shunt mods to make it reach what it actually should.
 





It's just temp bud.. I don't have a waterblock for the 3080 yet so I can't test, but my old msi 2070 super started to reduce clocks at 30c, and limit power at over 60c, your card will be limiting power to get temps down. 450w bios should be water cooled imo. I used to hit 2295mhz core on that 2070 super cracking card..
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 05:07:24 (permalink)
Appreciate the prompt reply!
Makes sense, just thought that would have come up as a thermal limiter.. Especially with the temp target slider maxed out.

I'll try and test it from stone cold and see if it power limits when it's still in the 50's, see if it that unleashes it.
I knew they dropped clock bins with temp, but didn't think they started winding the power limits back.

I've ordered my EK block, so I guess we'll see in Jan when it's hopefully here :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 07:51:23 (permalink)
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Appreciate the prompt reply!
Makes sense, just thought that would have come up as a thermal limiter.. Especially with the temp target slider maxed out.

I'll try and test it from stone cold and see if it power limits when it's still in the 50's, see if it that unleashes it.
I knew they dropped clock bins with temp, but didn't think they started winding the power limits back.

I've ordered my EK block, so I guess we'll see in Jan when it's hopefully here :)


I'm experiencing the exact same behavior, limiting at around 420-430W, with 145W from Pin 2 and less from the other two.  It should not come up as a power limit if it is due to temperature, because I'm experiencing this on a 3080 FTW Hybrid, which under load (Port Royal) is at 52 C.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 08:29:37 (permalink)
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Appreciate the prompt reply!
Makes sense, just thought that would have come up as a thermal limiter.. Especially with the temp target slider maxed out.

I'll try and test it from stone cold and see if it power limits when it's still in the 50's, see if it that unleashes it.
I knew they dropped clock bins with temp, but didn't think they started winding the power limits back.

I've ordered my EK block, so I guess we'll see in Jan when it's hopefully here :)


I'm experiencing the exact same behavior, limiting at around 420-430W, with 145W from Pin 2 and less from the other two.  It should not come up as a power limit if it is due to temperature, because I'm experiencing this on a 3080 FTW Hybrid, which under load (Port Royal) is at 52 C.


Your still going to hit the power limit no matter what, unless your at real low temps, power limit will stop the card boosting too high and try and hold it at stable clocks. Mine power limits at around 320w in some games, but I use a 350w bios. This forum is a nightmare all this approval nonsense..  It's not jus evga cards all the 3080s power limit..
post edited by AudiPete - 2020/12/09 08:34:13
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 09:06:05 (permalink)
Does this change anything other than the power limit? After updating, I've been running into unpredictable behavior while boosting. Previously, the card would go to 2070MHz on core and stay there. Now, with an identical offset, it jumps to 2100 (sometimes causing a crash), then decays across the course of a benchmark to as low as 2025 despite being well below 70C on the die. 

Note: This occurs even if I reduce the power limit back down to 108%- boosts too high, decays quickly. 

Also, so I can do some testing, does anyone have a link to the OC BIOS with the standard (108) power limit? 

Edit: Ran a Time Spy bench with identical Precision settings (incl. power limits) to before I switched the vBIOS- Graphics score is about 300 points lower, suspected as a result of the aformentionined boosting behavior. 
post edited by Ethyriel_ - 2020/12/09 09:35:24
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:09:24 (permalink)
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Does this change anything other than the power limit? After updating, I've been running into unpredictable behavior while boosting. Previously, the card would go to 2070MHz on core and stay there. Now, with an identical offset, it jumps to 2100 (sometimes causing a crash), then decays across the course of a benchmark to as low as 2025 despite being well below 70C on the die. 

Note: This occurs even if I reduce the power limit back down to 108%- boosts too high, decays quickly. 

Also, so I can do some testing, does anyone have a link to the OC BIOS with the standard (108) power limit? 

Edit: Ran a Time Spy bench with identical Precision settings (incl. power limits) to before I switched the vBIOS- Graphics score is about 300 points lower, suspected as a result of the aformentionined boosting behavior. 


I had random crashes on Fortnite, it would just exit out of the game with the 450w bios. I would get upto 2100 but I was hitting over 80c, I had to flash a different bios and now my clocks are around the 2010-2070 mark running 320w and around 70c but fully stable. I think these ftw3 are on the limit of the cooling.
 
I believe stock oc bios is this one https://www.techpowerup.c...080-10240-200906 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 12:14:02 (permalink)
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Does this change anything other than the power limit? After updating, I've been running into unpredictable behavior while boosting. Previously, the card would go to 2070MHz on core and stay there. Now, with an identical offset, it jumps to 2100 (sometimes causing a crash), then decays across the course of a benchmark to as low as 2025 despite being well below 70C on the die. 

Note: This occurs even if I reduce the power limit back down to 108%- boosts too high, decays quickly. 

Also, so I can do some testing, does anyone have a link to the OC BIOS with the standard (108) power limit? 

Edit: Ran a Time Spy bench with identical Precision settings (incl. power limits) to before I switched the vBIOS- Graphics score is about 300 points lower, suspected as a result of the aformentionined boosting behavior. 


I had random crashes on Fortnite, it would just exit out of the game with the 450w bios. I would get upto 2100 but I was hitting over 80c, I had to flash a different bios and now my clocks are around the 2010-2070 mark running 320w and around 70c but fully stable. I think these ftw3 are on the limit of the cooling.
 
I believe stock oc bios is this one https://www.techpowerup.c...080-10240-200906 


Thanks! Thermals with the stock BIOS were around 60C with a high overclock (+575 mem, +115 core), so I thought to see if I could do anything else with the 450W version. (I have two Noctua intake fans pointed directly at the card, as it's in an SFX case and I'm trying to focus on thermals/performance.) Seems like you really do need watercooling to make use of the extra headroom due to thermal limitations, despite how good the cooler is. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 13:17:27 (permalink)
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Does this change anything other than the power limit? After updating, I've been running into unpredictable behavior while boosting. Previously, the card would go to 2070MHz on core and stay there. Now, with an identical offset, it jumps to 2100 (sometimes causing a crash), then decays across the course of a benchmark to as low as 2025 despite being well below 70C on the die. 

Note: This occurs even if I reduce the power limit back down to 108%- boosts too high, decays quickly. 

Also, so I can do some testing, does anyone have a link to the OC BIOS with the standard (108) power limit? 

Edit: Ran a Time Spy bench with identical Precision settings (incl. power limits) to before I switched the vBIOS- Graphics score is about 300 points lower, suspected as a result of the aformentionined boosting behavior. 


I had random crashes on Fortnite, it would just exit out of the game with the 450w bios. I would get upto 2100 but I was hitting over 80c, I had to flash a different bios and now my clocks are around the 2010-2070 mark running 320w and around 70c but fully stable. I think these ftw3 are on the limit of the cooling.
 
I believe stock oc bios is this one https://www.techpowerup.c...080-10240-200906 


Thanks! Thermals with the stock BIOS were around 60C with a high overclock (+575 mem, +115 core), so I thought to see if I could do anything else with the 450W version. (I have two Noctua intake fans pointed directly at the card, as it's in an SFX case and I'm trying to focus on thermals/performance.) Seems like you really do need watercooling to make use of the extra headroom due to thermal limitations, despite how good the cooler is. 


I have really bad cooling to be honest I only have 3 fans blowing in from the top of my pc, these 3080s blow upward so the fans are blowing at each other, my best score so far but with the asus bios, https://www.3dmark.com/spy/15953974 if I used the evga 450w bios I get artifacts at the same clocks.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 15:45:35 (permalink)
It seems these BIOS are now based on an older version than is available.
Are there plans to release them again with the other updates?
 
From the update process, not sure if to try to flash an older version?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 18:06:59 (permalink)
I was about to flash it and I noticed the same thing.

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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/09 18:32:45 (permalink)
great
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 00:13:04 (permalink)
So, for stable operation (I mean, games, not benchmarking) at 2070MHz, which BIOS do you recommend? Stock OC BIOS? XOC BIOS?
 
My card is 3080FTW3 with Stock Bios in non-oc switch, XOC Bios in OC switch.
 
I'm still trying to get a Hybrid Cooling kit (I'm not going to pay full card again), but I think in EU they are not available.
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 11:18:48 (permalink)
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Does this change anything other than the power limit? After updating, I've been running into unpredictable behavior while boosting. Previously, the card would go to 2070MHz on core and stay there. Now, with an identical offset, it jumps to 2100 (sometimes causing a crash), then decays across the course of a benchmark to as low as 2025 despite being well below 70C on the die. 

Note: This occurs even if I reduce the power limit back down to 108%- boosts too high, decays quickly. 

Also, so I can do some testing, does anyone have a link to the OC BIOS with the standard (108) power limit? 

Edit: Ran a Time Spy bench with identical Precision settings (incl. power limits) to before I switched the vBIOS- Graphics score is about 300 points lower, suspected as a result of the aformentionined boosting behavior. 


Are you maxing out voltage? Because the difference from 1v to 1.06-1.08v is 6% to 8%, that can be causing you to draw more power. If your card was to request 400W, with higher voltage it might request 432W. So in areas of high power where the card would request 450W and you hit the limit, it will downclock instead. 
 
Try running your GPU without extra voltage if so. Voltage is only meant to try and get your card stable. If you don't need it, don't use it. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 11:21:55 (permalink)
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27 degrees lol.. what card do you have? no water blocks anywhere.. 


He probably has an air conditioner blowing inside of his case. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 13:21:31 (permalink)
I'm still trying to figure out if I have a bad card.  Using the new BIOS has a negative impact on the card.  The card stays well below the 80C limit just fine.  The performance when using 450W is just pure garbage.  I know its hitting the 450W as I can see it in GPU-Z.  If I reduce the power limit back to 105% or even 100% I get better performance but the limit is PWR.  Either way, I get nowhere near the performance anyone else is getting on 100% or 117% power settings.  Is the card internals just bad? Should I RMA this one?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 13:49:27 (permalink)
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I'm still trying to figure out if I have a bad card.  Using the new BIOS has a negative impact on the card.  The card stays well below the 80C limit just fine.  The performance when using 450W is just pure garbage.  I know its hitting the 450W as I can see it in GPU-Z.  If I reduce the power limit back to 105% or even 100% I get better performance but the limit is PWR.  Either way, I get nowhere near the performance anyone else is getting on 100% or 117% power settings.  Is the card internals just bad? Should I RMA this one?


No you can be losing performance due to hear, there are bonus boost clocks that are lost as temperature rises.

Check out TPU review of the 3080 FE, they graph and show you this.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 16:03:45 (permalink)
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It seems these BIOS are now based on an older version than is available.
Are there plans to release them again with the other updates?
 
From the update process, not sure if to try to flash an older version?
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Dang I didn't notice when I flashed. I hope I didn't go backwards. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/10 20:13:28 (permalink)
440W solid gaming at 2200 to 2100Mhz with my FTW3 Ultra running on a Seasonic SX800-LTI 800W inside a LianLi TU-150 :)
Temps under 70c all day.
This bios\card is a BEAST!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 11:48:06 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 14:23:31 (permalink)
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I'm still trying to figure out if I have a bad card.  Using the new BIOS has a negative impact on the card.  The card stays well below the 80C limit just fine.  The performance when using 450W is just pure garbage.  I know its hitting the 450W as I can see it in GPU-Z.  If I reduce the power limit back to 105% or even 100% I get better performance but the limit is PWR.  Either way, I get nowhere near the performance anyone else is getting on 100% or 117% power settings.  Is the card internals just bad? Should I RMA this one?


No you can be losing performance due to hear, there are bonus boost clocks that are lost as temperature rises.

Check out TPU review of the 3080 FE, they graph and show you this.

That's what doesn't add up.  It's not generating the heat.  Temperatures stay reasonable.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 18:07:25 (permalink)
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So EVGA any chance of a 3080 ftw3 lower tdp bios like a 320w with oc fan curve so my card doesn't hit 80+ temps, I know the card is safe at these temps but mine is not stable. I've had to flash a lower 350w msi bios, The heatsink and fan are not fit for purpose on these cards.  


It’s not the heatsink that’s the problem, it’s your case and airflow. Besides, if you want lower tdp you should’ve just gotten a 3070 or 3060 Ti
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 19:26:02 (permalink)
Am I missing something? AFAIK you don't need a bios to lower the TDP, just set the power limit accordingly with afterburner or PX.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 20:59:18 (permalink)
I am running without any extra voltage, and have managed to get it stable at 2100 by changing... pretty much nothing, but it's performing statistically worse. 300 points lower in Time Spy, even if I let it cool down to 22C before starting the bench. I have the run that scored 19k saved and it was boosted lower during the run (Stable at 2070), but scored much higher. Still no idea what's causing this inconsistency. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 21:02:17 (permalink)
Is there going to be a BIOS update for those of us that got the hybrid kit for 3080 ftw3 ultra? My radiator fans are doing some weird stuff...ramps up and down even though I set it at a constant speed. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 21:38:21 (permalink)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/11 23:46:08 (permalink)
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Am I missing something? AFAIK you don't need a bios to lower the TDP, just set the power limit accordingly with afterburner or PX.

Yep your right works fine now thanks, makes total sense and I just didn't think to lower the slider.. I will just run it like this now as long as it's stable until I can get a water block.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/12 16:30:45 (permalink)
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Is there going to be a BIOS update for those of us that got the hybrid kit for 3080 ftw3 ultra? My radiator fans are doing some weird stuff...ramps up and down even though I set it at a constant speed. 


Did you try flashing the hybrid bios on it? It's on the OP...
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/12 16:39:59 (permalink)
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Is there going to be a BIOS update for those of us that got the hybrid kit for 3080 ftw3 ultra? My radiator fans are doing some weird stuff...ramps up and down even though I set it at a constant speed. 


Did you try flashing the hybrid bios on it? It's on the OP...



Yea I did. Did not work, says my card is incompatible. Probably because it was expecting a 3080 Hybrid to flash the XOC bios. 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 (3897) XOC BIOS BETA 2020/12/12 23:46:55 (permalink)
Ethyriel_
I am running without any extra voltage, and have managed to get it stable at 2100 by changing... pretty much nothing, but it's performing statistically worse. 300 points lower in Time Spy, even if I let it cool down to 22C before starting the bench. I have the run that scored 19k saved and it was boosted lower during the run (Stable at 2070), but scored much higher. Still no idea what's causing this inconsistency. 


 
It's windows.  I've seen this behavior on a shunt modded 3090 FE that never even touched the power limit.  You can tell if your score is going to be higher or lower by looking at the first 3 seconds of Port Royal.  Once you've run PR enough times, you will know within 3 seconds if it's going to be a low or high scoring run.
 
You can also look at a Kill-A-Watt and see this behavior.  During lower scoring runs, your card will be pulling less watts from the wall, even if it's never downclocking or hitting the power limit.  During higher scoring runs, you will pull more power.  
 
Another user said that his scores varied by as much as 1,000 points.  And he was only able to fix this by completely reinstalling windows.
One thing you can try to do is to delete the shader cache in C:\program data\Nvidia Corporation\NVCache or something like that (First, set NVCP to NOT use the shader cache, then close all programs and delete the folder), then have the games rebuild the shader cache, but I have no idea if that does anything.
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