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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/10 22:01:07
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The fact that he's riffing so long on not having a 4th RAM VRM on a card with only 10 RAM chips should tell you not to take this video too seriously.
If you're buying an FTW3 you're paying extra for the larger cooler and extra power delivery, not because the UP9512 IC costs 5 cents more than the UP9511 IC.
If you're worried about high end overclocking - eyeballing the top 30 on port royal I see 13 EVGA and 13 ASUS listed so there doesn't seem to be any real world difference.
As was mentioned above, he was looking at a picture of the pre release board, so not even a hands on an actual release card...that set the world record for overclocking with LN2.
I was actually pretty surprised that Gamers Nexus published that video, and kind of disappointed in them as well. It was really sloppy and quite frankly, misleading. At the very least, they should have had a disclaimer overlay stating that the video was a review of a picture of a card that is not in production, and does not necessarily apply to actual card in consumers hands. I expected better from Steve and GN.
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Just a reminder that the pcb he looked at was a pre release pcb and we know a few things changed on it so all the things he complained about most likely have been fixed
literally about to say the same thing.
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Just a reminder that the pcb he looked at was a pre release pcb and we know a few things changed on it so all the things he complained about most likely have been fixed
Good point.
ReZpawN
Just a reminder that the pcb he looked at was a pre release pcb and we know a few things changed on it so all the things he complained about most likely have been fixed
For what it's worth to the discussion...BZ says in the video it's a pre-release board and describes the upcoming changes at 20:00.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/10 23:05:23
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Guess I'll use the 3080 FE. No FTW3 for me if this is true.
I love EVGA, but the 3080 TUF is 110$ less and is built far, far better.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/10 23:47:43
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Current pcb's appear to be the same without change. A review at techpowerup with pcb photos from 11/4 show the newer cap arrangement at the back of the gpu but all other components appear to be the same. It is disappointing considering my old 2080ti FTW3 has superior board components to this model. This is supposed to be a higher quality product and the difference in price obviously doesn't reflect that. It would be interesting to see a BOM for this model to compare to others.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/10 23:51:06
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Everytime GN does some review everyone goes ape **** if it was a negative review. I own a 3090 FTW3 Ultra for abt 3 weeks now and never had any issues with it and its running perfectly. I know the review is on 3080 but i guess its translates the same bar from couple of changes on 3090 PCB. Fair point that for a 100 dollars more it should have been bit more premium in a way it was built but every other cards from other brand have their own issues. I owned 2 cards from Asus 1080Ti and both failed and i changed to MSI instead.. This is my first card from EVGA and i have to say i am impressed the way it was built. Sure EVGA should look into this failures and rectify it asap but on the other hand every tech thats out there have its own issues.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 00:10:07
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The FTW3 is 300 dollars more than the FE.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 00:14:49
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Something tells me EVGA's 4000-series FTW3 Ultra cards are going to be verrrrry nice... 
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 00:28:35
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Not in AUS, we didn't even really get any founders cards.. I think we got 8 cards and had to do a raffle to see who was allowed to buy them.
The FTW3 ULTRA is $1259AUD, something like a Strix OC is $1800 AUD!
Might be bad value for you guys, but every other brand gauged Australians enough to make the FTW3 the best value for money..
So far all GN's reviews are saying it's not great for the money, here that is a very different story!
Personally I don't think some nicer PCB components are worth $500AUD more for roughly the same FPS.
That being said.. I would have paid another $100-200 for a better quality PCB or cooler.
Wish the ultra had upgraded components, not just a bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 00:57:56
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Why dont call Jacob here and ask if the release cards have better voltage controller or caps ?
Keep in mind all top world records are from strix and evga. He cried so much for voltage controller and caps ( while i agree it should be better ones) and yet its enough for top overclocking.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 01:35:04
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Keep in mind all top world records are from strix and evga. He cried so much for voltage controller and caps ( while i agree it should be better ones) and yet its enough for top overclocking.
It's almost as if those component choices don't actually make any difference and Buildzoid is just making wild assumptions based off one chip costing 5 cents more on digikey. I like GN a lot but posting this video is pretty irresponsible.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 08:28:00
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Considering i cancelled my ftw3 pre order.... now i wonder if the Aorus 3080 pcb is any good :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 13:24:50
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I'm in the step up queue to go from a 3080 XC3 Ultra to a 3080 FTW3 Ultra. I did it under the assumption that it would be superior across the board compared to the XC3 Ultra. I don't want to entirely blame EVGA. It's also Nvidia's fault for constantly raising prices and trying to have all these companies meet the MSRP. Nvidia needs to be checked and I didn't help the situation by buying a 3080.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 14:01:56
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I am so glad everyone here managed to view the whole video, taking it all in. And I'm so glad we have a whole lot of LN2 overclockers here (in addition to Gamer's Nexus getting a world record LN2 cooling their 3080 FTW3 card). It's quite encouraging!
https://youtu.be/ZuimvlNraLM?t=1609
Haha, beat me to it! Unless you're doing some crazy with your EVGA FTW 3080, you'll be perfectly fine and this has absolutely no bearing on anything you'll be doing.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 16:38:46
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they've been absolutely horrible this generation.
buildzoid was talking about this basically being a streched out founders edition with no premium components. Except that it carries a premium price tag
Founders edition is not reference anymore. Founders has better components than the FTW3.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 16:52:11
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Keep in mind all top world records are from strix and evga. He cried so much for voltage controller and caps ( while i agree it should be better ones) and yet its enough for top overclocking.
It's almost as if those component choices don't actually make any difference and Buildzoid is just making wild assumptions based off one chip costing 5 cents more on digikey.
I like GN a lot but posting this video is pretty irresponsible.
Exactly these two post. The FTW3 for the 3080 and 3070 gave Steve the top and second top OC of all the cards he had tested. Buildzoid can rant all he wants, but it doesn't stop the FTW3 from performing and OC better than average on nearly every review website.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 17:06:18
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they've been absolutely horrible this generation.
buildzoid was talking about this basically being a streched out founders edition with no premium components. Except that it carries a premium price tag
Founders edition is not reference anymore. Founders has better components than the FTW3.
Sorry i said the wrong thing He said it was a stretched out reference card... not stretched out founders To be fair to evga. The power delivery and power stages are excellent and ample
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 17:27:14
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no guys the things he says are legit. dont try to discredit buildzoid just because you wish his conclusion was different He knows more than everyone on this forum combined like 2 days ago i watched a vid of him overclocking a ram kit to 5100Mhz on intel system. It's a special edition ram kit and they made 100sets. Literally on 1 hand you can count the review samples. But they sent him one because they know hes one of the few people on earth who can actually boot and stabilize a system running such a crazy ram setting. If they sent them to Jays2cents and other noobs it would be pointless they wouldnt have any clue what to do with it. point is he knows what hes talking about and your a moron to try and say otherwise one of the things he noted, which i had to learn the hard way, I wanted to power mod my card with an elmore evc But since evga cheaped out now i cant. I was genuinely surprised as the $750 Asus Tuff can. Debau8er did it with great results on a cheap card but the 3090 (which shares a pcb design with the 3080) at $1800 cant do this? how about their decision to completely cheap out on the caps near the core? He said he expects to see those caps on a $100 trash motherboard not a top of the line gpu We are all losing 15-30Mhz because of this decision. Dont defend Evga here you will only encourage them to do worse. Have to push these companies and get your monies worth
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 17:34:17
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xxDarkxx
no guys the things he says are legit.
dont try to discredit buildzoid just because you wish his conclusion was different
He knows more than everyone on this forum combined
like 2 days ago i watched a vid of him overclocking a ram kit to 5100Mhz on intel system. It's a special edition ram kit and they made 100sets. Literally on 1 hand you can count the review samples.
But they sent him one because they know hes one of the few people on earth who can actually boot and stabilize a system running such a crazy ram setting. If they sent them to Jays2cents and other noobs it would be pointless they wouldnt have any clue what to do with it
one of the things he noted, which i had to learn the hard way,
I wanted to power mod my card with an elmore evc
But since evga cheaped out now i cant. I was genuinely surprised as the $750 Asus Tuff can. Debau8er did it with great results on a cheap card but the 3090 (which shares a pcb design with the 3080) at $1800 cant do this?
how about their decision to completely cheap out on the caps near the core? He said he expects to see those caps on a $100 trash motherboard not a top of the line gpu
We are all losing 15-30Mhz because of this decision.
Dont defend Evga here you will only encourage them to do worse. Have to push these companies and get your monies worth
Do you understand the stuff that buildzoid rants about? It's literally "They designed this to take 1500W of power. Kind of disappointing, they should have made it 5000W." When the card is going to be drawing 450W of max power. Those numbers are arbitrary. At the end of the day, because people don't understand the stuff he talks about, they panic and start a witch hunt of blame. In reality, the stuff he rants about are for very hardcore OC that will shunt mod the card and stuff. 99.99999% of people, this isn't going to matter at all. Am I trying to discredit his technical knowledge? No. But the level of details that HE cares about doesn't mean it will affect what the average consumer should care about. His channel after all is called Actual Hardcore OCing. "But the card cost $810!" Then get the XC3 or another card if you don't want to pay a premium for the RGB light bar and extra 30W power delivery (80W with 450W bios). Get the FTW3 if those two things are worth the extra $110.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 17:59:16
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I’m personally satisfied with my evga card
It could be because i have a great sample but with that said, i agree most of the items he talks about is irrelevant to 99% of ppl.
Also he was very impressed with the sheer amount of power stages+ additional 6 uncore which are excellent
That said. Lets keep pushing these companies to give us the best that they can
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 19:40:52
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Am I disappointed? Slightly.
Does it matter to me in end? Not really. Sure it cost more and is worst value compared to the Strix, but I'll take the card I have now and just work a few more hours to make back the perceived loss value. I knew it was never going to be a good value proposition when I bought the 3090 no matter the brand.
A lot of people don't seem to realize the scale of Asus. They are gigantic compared to EVGA. Fully automated assembly lines, a huge notebook division, phone division, etc. They can afford the economies of scale to just put more stuff or better stuff on PCBs.
Do I wish I had a Strix now? Maybe, I've had a chance to buy a few. But since I already have my card and they all perform within single digit percentages of each other. I am not gonna cry over the performance headroom lost, LN2 was never in my thoughts when purchasing.
As for the people with cards dying. That really sucks and I hope it's an isolated batch that has this issue. It sucks to RMA multiple times, but it's the price we pay for newly launched products. There's always gonna be lemons. EVGA should rectify the issue and I think as a good will gesture, pay for shipping both ways.
I don't remember any launch with so many failing cards in any series, do you?
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/11 20:33:45
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Am I disappointed? Slightly.
Does it matter to me in end? Not really. Sure it cost more and is worst value compared to the Strix, but I'll take the card I have now and just work a few more hours to make back the perceived loss value. I knew it was never going to be a good value proposition when I bought the 3090 no matter the brand.
A lot of people don't seem to realize the scale of Asus. They are gigantic compared to EVGA. Fully automated assembly lines, a huge notebook division, phone division, etc. They can afford the economies of scale to just put more stuff or better stuff on PCBs.
Do I wish I had a Strix now? Maybe, I've had a chance to buy a few. But since I already have my card and they all perform within single digit percentages of each other. I am not gonna cry over the performance headroom lost, LN2 was never in my thoughts when purchasing.
As for the people with cards dying. That really sucks and I hope it's an isolated batch that has this issue. It sucks to RMA multiple times, but it's the price we pay for newly launched products. There's always gonna be lemons. EVGA should rectify the issue and I think as a good will gesture, pay for shipping both ways.
I don't remember any launch with so many failing cards in any series, do you?
Uh... Were you not paying attention when the 20 series came out and had memory failing left and right? https://www.extremetech.c...ective-promises-remedy
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 00:10:36
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xxDarkxx
no guys the things he says are legit.
dont try to discredit buildzoid just because you wish his conclusion was different
He knows more than everyone on this forum combined
like 2 days ago i watched a vid of him overclocking a ram kit to 5100Mhz on intel system. It's a special edition ram kit and they made 100sets. Literally on 1 hand you can count the review samples.
But they sent him one because they know hes one of the few people on earth who can actually boot and stabilize a system running such a crazy ram setting. If they sent them to Jays2cents and other noobs it would be pointless they wouldnt have any clue what to do with it. point is he knows what hes talking about and your a moron to try and say otherwise
one of the things he noted, which i had to learn the hard way,
I wanted to power mod my card with an elmore evc
But since evga cheaped out now i cant. I was genuinely surprised as the $750 Asus Tuff can. Debau8er did it with great results on a cheap card but the 3090 (which shares a pcb design with the 3080) at $1800 cant do this?
how about their decision to completely cheap out on the caps near the core? He said he expects to see those caps on a $100 trash motherboard not a top of the line gpu
We are all losing 15-30Mhz because of this decision.
Dont defend Evga here you will only encourage them to do worse. Have to push these companies and get your monies worth
except jayz2cents got that ram as well, linus tech tips and lots of other youtubers lol but yeah i will trust the youtuber that cries for people to subscribe to his patreon so he can pay his rent over actual engineers
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 05:16:43
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I would like to hear a word from jacob. I recalled him but he always dodge this kind of tricky questions.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 09:21:35
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People like to whine about everything.
In the end you're still getting a good 3080 plus not everyone is an extreme overclocker. So those extra 20-30MHz won't even affect you in gaming.
And if you're really unhappy about your purchase, you can still sell it on ebay for 200$ more than what you paid for.
troll.
Has nothing to do with overclocking. Cards are DYING.
Exactly. I've been a long time fan/consumer of EVGA and this recent move has left a very bad taste.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 09:24:49
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You all need to remember that Nvidia did not give the AIBs very much time before official release to come up with their custom design cards this time around.
AIBs had to rush to get their products ready for release day.
This is why you see the majority of 30xx cards based on the Nvidia reference designs.
EVGA took a Nvidia reference design, added a few more power stages and streached the PCB to fit their cooling solution for it. Wham Bam thank you m'am, you have the FTW3!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 09:43:17
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xxDarkxx
I’m personally satisfied with my evga card
It could be because i have a great sample but with that said, i agree most of the items he talks about is irrelevant to 99% of ppl.
Also he was very impressed with the sheer amount of power stages+ additional 6 uncore which are excellent
That said. Lets keep pushing these companies to give us the best that they can
Agreed. It reminds me of high end asus motherboards today. They still work great, but you can see several areas where cost saving is occurring because they know people will still pay $400+ even if the components are the same as found on sub $200 boards. I would not like to see evga go in this same direction with the ftw3 cards, even if they work just fine for most people.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 10:21:07
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I don't remember any launch with so many failing cards in any series, do you?
You must have have missed the 2080Ti space invaders saga. I personally had to RMA 2 cards for myself and a friend had to RMA one of theirs. So unless people start giving out actual RMA percentage rates my opinion remains that the EVGA forums is too small a sample size to say definitively there is an issue. I'm not denying people are having issues, but to say it's going to be an issue for everyone and also "wishing good luck" on others implying that their cards will fail sooner or later is in poor taste. notarjy
Agreed. It reminds me of high end asus motherboards today. They still work great, but you can see several areas where cost saving is occurring because they know people will still pay $400+ even if the components are the same as found on sub $200 boards. I would not like to see evga go in this same direction with the ftw3 cards, even if they work just fine for most people.
The Asus/Intel Gigabit LAN chip (I219-V) issue comes to mind. I spent an entire day last week trying to troubleshoot for a friend and it it turns out the LAN chip has been a trouble child for 2+ years. With no definitive solution from either Asus or Intel. What's annoying is that the chip is on almost every Asus board that has Gigabit ethernet and a few use the 2.5Gbps version of that chip too.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/12 14:21:08
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I have the RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra and I had sudden shutdown issues and a "pop" sound every time it shutdown. Game crashes too in Warzone and Horizon Zero Dawn (the two games I am currently playing).
With that being said, I will continue purchasing EVGA products for two reasons:
1. They are in California.
2. Their customer service is EXCELLENT.
While the GPU's might have issues, at least I have peace of mind knowing that EVGA will take care of me and quickly.
I called today early in the morning and processed an advance RMA. I sure hope the replacement GPU to be working without issues as I am really looking forward to playing Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War!
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/13 10:10:51
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Will we have an official answer from EVGA about that one? :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/13 11:09:39
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while im not stoked that they spent less on the flagship line, its pretty clear that the actual impact of this is very minimal to those not doing competetive overclocking. my ftw so far is the best card i have ever had. +100 on core and not a single hiccup, nvm crash. on 3dmark its testing in the top 5 percentile. while i understand there should be some pressure for more when paying for the best, i really dont find this to be the ruinous scandal its being made out to be. I do know Nvidia is planning to force partners to sell 3060's at a loss, so it makes sense to see partners padding their margins while they can. if anything, i am more disappointed in the xc3 black vs the tuf reference. the ftw still trades blows with the strix just fine and is 40 bucks cheaper.
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Re: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 PCB Breakdown (GN/Buildzoid)
2020/11/13 11:13:10
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Feklar
The FTW3 is 300 dollars more than the FE.
i really feel like if you pay 100% more for 10% performance we are done even pretending money matters
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