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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 02:22:22 (permalink)
so this is NOT for the ACX cards?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 02:45:19 (permalink)
Wait seriously, not including the 1080 Hydrocopper?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 04:39:55 (permalink)
Updated - 1080 FTW 2
 
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Says dual bios, but couldn't see bios switch - where is it?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 04:53:50 (permalink)
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Updated - 1080 FTW 2
 
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Says dual bios, but couldn't see bios switch - where is it?


Near the Power connectors. If you have the Powerlink, it could be covered. 


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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 05:43:57 (permalink)
I didn't take screenshots, but I am seeing small score increases in all the benchmarks I ran. I also played BF1 for about an hour without a single problem.
 
It also seems like I can OC my core a little more. I was at +80 offset, now I can run +100 offset.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 06:25:19 (permalink)
Was wondering what is the product sku of the newer 11 ghz ftw2 1080 card? 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 06:43:39 (permalink)
Can an EVGA technical support representative explain on a technical level why non-iCX 1080 SC, FTW, FTW Hybrid, and Hydro Copper 1080s are not compatible with these BIOS updates?  What is it, specifically hardware wise, that the iCX cards have, that the aforementioned cards do not?

Your reply would be greatly appreciated by those of us who do not own iCX cards and are interested in the potential overclocking headroom these updates may provide beyond the memory speed boost.  My 1080 FTW non-iCX card already overclocks on the memory to 12000 Mhz (+1000).  It earned me the highest 3DMark FireStrike score of any single 1080 GPU paired with an i5-4690K.   The memory was overclocked to 12000 Mhz (+1000), the core to 2101 (+74), the i5-4690K to 4.8 GHz @1.425V with the uncore/cache at 4.6 Ghz @ 1.375V, and 32GB of DDR3 ram at 2400 Mhz at 10-12-12-31 timing.  Proof here: w**.3dmark.com/fs/11996982
 
Thank you,
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post edited by TheShadowBroker - 2017/04/21 08:46:01
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 06:56:30 (permalink)
Or could you guys bother to answer if it changes the timings or voltages of the vram to allow this higher clock rate?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 07:11:37 (permalink)
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Or could you guys bother to answer if it changes the timings or voltages of the vram to allow this higher clock rate?


i flashed it to my hydrocopper that would run 5600Mhz already stable on the memory and got a higher 3dmark score on this bios by like 500-800 points so seems like timings have been adjusted to me.
 
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Can an EVGA technical support representative explain on a technical level why non-iCX 1080 SC, FTW, FTW Hybrid, and Hydro Copper 1080s are not compatible with these BIOS updates?  What is it, specifically hardware wise, that the iCX cards have, that the aforementioned cards do not?
Your reply would be greatly appreciated by those of us who do not own iCX cards and are interested in the potential overclocking headroom these updates may provide beyond the memory speed boost.  My 1080 FTW non-iCX card already overclocks on the memory to 12000 Mhz (+1000).  It earned me the highest 3DMark FireStrike score of any single 1080 GPU paired with an i5-4690K.   The memory was overclocked to 12000 Mhz (+1000), the core to 1201 (+74), the i5-4690K to 4.8 GHz @1.425V with the uncore/cache at 4.6 Ghz @ 1.375V, and 32GB of DDR3 ram at 2400 Mhz at 10-12-12-31 timing.  Proof here: w**.3dmark.com/fs/11996982
 
Thank you,
-TheShadowBroker

 
Might not be much but i was able to get 26mhz more on my core on my hydrocopper 1080 running it at 2126 now, have not see any problems so far with using the bios other then if i load XOC it shows memory and some other temp as NA.
post edited by bal3wolf - 2017/04/21 07:17:07
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 07:34:33 (permalink)
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Might not be much but i was able to get 26mhz more on my core on my hydrocopper 1080 running it at 2126 now, have not see any problems so far with using the bios other then if i load XOC it shows memory and some other temp as NA.



Great to hear.   I suspected as much.   

It would be nice if EVGA updated the article to state that non-iCX cards also qualify for the bios update, or at least explain to non-iCX owners why their cards don't, and if so, if updating their bios anyways voids the warranty. 







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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 07:48:59 (permalink)
My preliminary testing shows max memory OC is lower before ECC kicks in. Was getting solid 11.6 gbps before ecc, after bios update it's down to 11.3 before ecc kicks in. I'm doing some more testing but if this is the case, I see why it's optional lmao.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 07:50:47 (permalink)
It's a bios update. Not a new card. Only the ti has new memory

Edit: sorry this was in response to someone asking for the new sku for the 'higher memory 1080 ftw2 cards'
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 09:00:15 (permalink)
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It's a bios update. Not a new card. Only the ti has new memory

Edit: sorry this was in response to someone asking for the new sku for the 'higher memory 1080 ftw2 cards'



Technically not true. They redesigned some of the design on the iCX cards. It's not a stretch to believe the "old" iCX cards also got the new memory. Why would EVGA redesign a good portion of a card and not use the new memory technology available at that time? I'm not saying they did this, just that it's plausible. To add credence to this argument, these "new" iCX cards with the new 11Gbps chips have the same part number as the "old" iCX cards from 2 months ago.
 
It would be nice if someone from EVGA could shine a light on this subject so we can all stop guessing.
post edited by jsallen77 - 2017/04/21 09:03:07

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 09:53:09 (permalink)
Hang on guys, lets download all the VRAM while we are at it...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 09:56:44 (permalink)
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Hang on guys, lets download all the VRAM while we are at it...


But is it detotated wam?

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 10:02:32 (permalink)
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It's a bios update. Not a new card. Only the ti has new memory

Edit: sorry this was in response to someone asking for the new sku for the 'higher memory 1080 ftw2 cards'



Technically not true. They redesigned some of the design on the iCX cards. It's not a stretch to believe the "old" iCX cards also got the new memory. Why would EVGA redesign a good portion of a card and not use the new memory technology available at that time? I'm not saying they did this, just that it's plausible. To add credence to this argument, these "new" iCX cards with the new 11Gbps chips have the same part number as the "old" iCX cards from 2 months ago.
 
It would be nice if someone from EVGA could shine a light on this subject so we can all stop guessing.


That's what I'm saying, same part number As before
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 12:26:22 (permalink)
would this work for 08G-P4-6181-KR ??? does need be ICX Model ???

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 14:03:14 (permalink)
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Will flash SC2 version on my FE when I get home. YOLO.





Not sure I would advise on doing that.  Doesn't it already come with 11 by default?  And you don't have a secondary BIOS AFAIK.




No issues doing so.  Thanks EVGA.  :)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 18:52:47 (permalink)
If they were new ram modules they wouldn't need a flash to run at 11gbps.

My god.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 19:09:29 (permalink)
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If they were new ram modules they wouldn't need a flash to run at 11gbps.

My god.

They might. When these cards came out Nvidia had yet to announce their new 11Gbps 1080 cards. EVGA may have set the speed of these ICX cards to run at 10Gbps in the bios/firmware until now. The bios/firmware determines the speed of the RAM. This is all speculation on my part. Hopefully EVGA will chime in with more information.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/21 19:42:24 (permalink)
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Says dual bios, but couldn't see bios switch - where is it?




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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 02:07:54 (permalink)
mine 1080 SC overclocked 2100/11000 under water goes to 12248 points 
 
 
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Note: I posted your score for you, as you did not have enough posts yet
 
 
post edited by Cool GTX - 2017/04/22 13:54:10
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 02:17:09 (permalink)
Hello everyone :)

I hope EVGA release also bios update for 1080 FTW Hybrid (08G-P4-6288-KR). Or maybe ill try this one, after all my GPU also have dual bios.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 06:16:11 (permalink)
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They might. When these cards came out Nvidia had yet to announce their new 11Gbps 1080 cards. EVGA may have set the speed of these ICX cards to run at 10Gbps in the bios/firmware until now. The bios/firmware determines the speed of the RAM. This is all speculation on my part. Hopefully EVGA will chime in with more information.




I agree with you. At least I want that to be true. =) 

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 07:12:30 (permalink)
I'm curious... I know that EVGA is HQ'd in California and the products are designed in the USA...But are the components build in the US as well or shipped overseas to Taiwan?  I've always been under the impression that, just like Apple where the products are designed in San Francisco but then manufactured in Korea and China- and just like much of everything else these days...I would have thought that EVGA follows suit.
Otherwise, things would not be nearly as expensive up here in Canada as they are, because of the NAFTA.  But with overseas manufacturing, the NAFTA doesn't necessarily apply....and the FTW2 I just bought about a month back wouldn't have cost me nearly as much if it were simply going across the border.  When all was said and done, I spent 1150.00 CDN on the FTW2.   I see now it is at NCIX for 821.98+13% tax which comes to 929.00.  That's 221 dollars less than what I actually paid for it.  That is almost exactly the difference in price between the FTW2 and the new Ti FTW3, so at that cost...the better buy is the new Ti FTW3.  But, if it were simply going across the border, even with the CDN Dollar the way it is the cost would have been substantially less because we wouldn't have to pay for the overseas duty incurred by the US when they imported the final product back from Asia.  Yet, that is why things are so expensive to order from the US to Canada, because we pay tax and duty, plus currency conversion/exchange on whatever the original US price was after they added their cost of the import tax.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am exceedingly pleased my FTW2....The best card I've ever owned-and I just sold two 980 FTWs to pay for it, which were amazing cards in their own right.  Had I known the FTW2 was going to be the cost that it is here in Canada, I would have held out for it to arrive.  And had I know the cost difference between that and the Ti, I wuld have bought the Ti instead.  But I was in a tight spot back in march because I didn't want to be caught without a card...so I made the purchase for the FTW2 by ordering from EVGA.  I just wish it could have been less expensive.
 
 In any case can anyone clarify where the manufacturing is done, for the sake of my curiosity?
 
And another question I have that is more to the point of this thread....If the .zip BIOS files are designed for certain cards like the FTW2 or SC2, why wouldn't they work?  "The updates might not work on a small percentage of cards..." why not?  That doesn't make sense to me.  They are apparently written to work with this model or that model, so when then say "they might not work...."  What then would be the point of doing all this?  It would be better to just leave the cards as they are.   And if there is any risk of malfunction, or performance loss or anything else negative....Why do this at all? 
 
I've downloaded the updates for my FTW2...But I am hesitant to go ahead with them because I don't want to damage the card in any way. To be honest, I've never done anything like this; I don't even do any overclocking. Ever.  Nor would I be happy if I saw a loss in performance, because the updates would have been pointless if that were to happen.
 
Thoughts?
 
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 09:27:47 (permalink)
it may not work on all cards because evga is flashing 10gbps spec ram modules to 11gbps, probably also changing the timings and voltage.
 
not all memory can run at these specs, it's a result of the mfg process, in the same way not all cpus or gpus overclock to the same frequencies. 
 
it won't hurt your card over the long run if no voltage is applied over the default spec.........
 
they haven't cared to say though.
 
This is kind of a joke, the easiest way out of this situation instead of new cards with the new memory in them, but that's also a waste of time with the Ti and Volta cards on the way...
 
Take it for what it is, an easy and quick solution that was free on both their end and the users end.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 10:11:32 (permalink)
Can someone TL;DR to me why the 1080 FTW can't be given this boost? My first time buying into a generation of cards and I experienced firsthand getting the short end of the stick. Not very fun.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 11:05:50 (permalink)
Because they didn't go back and rewrite the bios for that model. That is the only reason.


Go turn your gpu memory slider up to 500 MHZ yourself.

Is it stable? Probably not.

Did it give you better performance? Probable not.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 11:22:44 (permalink)
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Because they didn't go back and rewrite the bios for that model. That is the only reason.


Go turn your gpu memory slider up to 500 MHZ yourself.

Is it stable? Probably not.

Did it give you better performance? Probable not.



 
They did more then tweak the Mhz it seems like my hydro copper will run +650 stable overclocking running this new bios i gain 500-800 points on 3dmark firestrike vs my normal overclock.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now 2017/04/22 11:31:25 (permalink)
I'm almost certain timings were changed.

My friends used to make all the bios for voltage unlocking in the maxwell days. I haven't been in touch with them on ocn in a while but I could see if him or his brother could pull apart this bios and really see what's going on. Let me see if can get in touch with them


Fun fact same guys that helped show how much code was actually taken from the old riva tuner app when evga plagurised it with precision x. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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