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Could someone please comment on the loudness and temperature of the card? This comparison ( Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 Review Roundup - Performance Analysis, from bit-tech.net) has made me a bit worried about the evga card, mainly because they make it sound as if the quality of the card components isn't as good as the other 2 brands. I have never had a bad experience with evga which is why I decided to get their SSC GTX970 AXC 2.0 from newegg. Could someone also comment about the coil whine if any. Thanks. I'm also wondering if the card will come with a backplate included or if evga will send us early adopters free backplates when available. EDIT:The coil whine coming from my gtx 970 SSC acx 2.0 is very low and not noticeable at all unless I put my ear next to the card. My temperatures are really good too. The highest temperature I have gotten even after overclocking the card is 62C. I am using a custom fan profile, but it doesn't get loud enough to be bothersome at all. The highest score I managed to achieve in Unigine Valley with my GTX 970 SSC ACX 2.0 is 4724 (stable). Settings:Ultra 1920x1080 full screen AA off Overclock:Power Limit: 110% Core Clock: +120MHz Memory Clock: +300MHz Core Voltage: +87mV (This is just to make sure I am testing the card at its full potential) The max temp I got was 62C using a custom fan profile. The max fan speed used was 72%, which wasn't loud enough to be bothersome. I will keep testing the card, as I am sure that I can still achieve slightly higher clocks for both the core and the memory. So far I'm very pleased with this card. I so hope EVGA give american customers the extended 5 years warranty and the backplate too. However, everyone has to realize that EU customers had to pay a higher price for their cards, which might be why EVGA is offering them some added value to their purchase.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/20 16:34:47
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We dont know because cards with the ACX 2.0 havent been released yet, they all have the original ACX on them. None of the GTX 970s come with a back plate.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/20 17:03:03
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What do you mean? The one I bought has ACX 2.0. It's out of stock now though. I got it on Friday night, so they wont ship it until Monday I'm guessing. /Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487071 on newegg.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/20 18:25:59
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godgxjs What do you mean? The one I bought has ACX 2.0. It's out of stock now though. I got it on Friday night, so they wont ship it until Monday I'm guessing. /Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487071 on newegg.
You are correct, they did release a few of the GPUs with ACX 2.0 (only the SSC so far), but most of the ones so far have not had the 2.0 ACX but the 1.0. Don't buy in to the wording of these reviews. ASUS and MSI call their components TUF and Military grade which is what that review was referring to. They have been doing that for many years. Just because EVGA does not use "specialty" parts (basically not naming them...) it doesn't mean they are less in quality. I don't think they would flop on a very reliable warranty on their components if they didn't stand by them. If you haven't had any problems with EVGA products in the past then that says enough.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/21 13:37:05
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blacksapphire08 We dont know because cards with the ACX 2.0 havent been released yet, they all have the original ACX on them. None of the GTX 970s come with a back plate.
Wait.. Are the 970's suppose to have the backplate like the 980's if so that is awesome. That is the only thing that makes me want the 980 though sadly its out of my price range.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/21 18:51:15
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I been seeing images of the cooler's heatpipes being offset from the gpu core. One heatpipe doesn't even touch the core. Along with no backplate, the EVGA offerings looking a bit dull. Asus and Gigabyte both offer a backplate on theirs and custom PCB designs. Link to said discussion on reddit with pictures from reviewers: https://www.reddit.com/r/..._evga_gtx_970_appears/
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/21 20:45:28
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enyownz I been seeing images of the cooler's heatpipes being offset from the gpu core. One heatpipe doesn't even touch the core. Along with no backplate, the EVGA offerings looking a bit dull. Asus and Gigabyte both offer a backplate on theirs and custom PCB designs. Link to said discussion on reddit with pictures from reviewers: https://www.reddit.com/r/..._evga_gtx_970_appears/
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/21 20:58:54
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I feel like EVGA should definitely comment on this to clear our doubts.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 05:16:09
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Bump. I'm expecting my ACX v1 970 on Thursday, and I'm sad to think I have to send it back as soon as I get it. I hope EVGA addresses this soon. The popular recommendation seems to be that the ASUS strix cooled 970 is solid, but I have never been disappointed in EVGA's resilience with supporting their products since the 200 series. I'm pretty confident EVGA support will be all over this and find a way to make it right.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 06:19:30
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They likely aren't going to comment, as they haven't been doing so lately. They have 100 questions a minute coming out and limited staff searching the forums. I would not hold my breath for them to comment on this.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 06:31:49
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that's not good, from what I've seen so far on the reviews ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte cooler seem to be more solid. although the EVGA ACX 2.0 looks better for me it doesn't really seem to do it's job right compared to the rest. not to mention the semi passive cooling which I find really good. the one heat pipe often not touching the GPU seems to be an old issue. here a picture of my GTX760 SC 4GB ACX. you can clearly see that only 2 of the heat pipes cover the GPU, the third one is just there.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 12:53:51
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Jacob has posted an offical response to this: http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2220695 The way the EVGA GTX 970 ACX heat sink was designed is based on the GTX 970 wattage plus an additional 40% cooling headroom on top of it. There are 3 heat pipes on the heatsink – 2 x 8mm major heat pipes to distribute the majority of the heat from the GPU to the heatsink, and a 3 rd 6mm heatpipe is used as a supplement to the design to reduce another 2-3 degrees Celsius. Also we would like to mention that the cooler passed NVIDIA Greenlight specifications. Due to the GPU small die size, we intended for the GPU to contact two major heat pipes with direct touch to make the best heat dissipation without any other material in between. We all know the Maxwell GPU is an extremely power efficient GPU, our SC cooler was overbuilt for it and allowed us to provide cards with boost clocks at over 1300MHz. EVGA also has an “FTW” version for those users who want even higher clocks. Regarding fan noise, we understand that some have expressed concerns over the fan noise on the EVGA GTX 970 cards, this is not a fan noise issue but it is more of an aggressive fan curve set by the default BIOS. The fan curve can be easily adjusted in EVGA PrecisionX or any other overclocking software. Regardless, we have heard the concerns and will provide a BIOS update to reduce the fan noise during idle. Thanks, EVGA
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 14:34:51
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EVGATech_JaesonW Jacob has posted an offical response to this:
The way the EVGA GTX 970 ACX heat sink was designed is based on the GTX 970 wattage plus an additional 40% cooling headroom on top of it. There are 3 heat pipes on the heatsink – 2 x 8mm major heat pipes to distribute the majority of the heat from the GPU to the heatsink, and a 3rd 6mm heatpipe is used as a supplement to the design to reduce another 2-3 degrees Celsius. Also we would like to mention that the cooler passed NVIDIA Greenlight specifications.
Due to the GPU small die size, we intended for the GPU to contact two major heat pipes with direct touch to make the best heat dissipation without any other material in between.
We all know the Maxwell GPU is an extremely power efficient GPU, our SC cooler was overbuilt for it and allowed us to provide cards with boost clocks at over 1300MHz. EVGA also has an “FTW” version for those users who want even higher clocks.
Regarding fan noise, we understand that some have expressed concerns over the fan noise on the EVGA GTX 970 cards, this is not a fan noise issue but it is more of an aggressive fan curve set by the default BIOS. The fan curve can be easily adjusted in EVGA PrecisionX or any other overclocking software. Regardless, we have heard the concerns and will provide a BIOS update to reduce the fan noise during idle.
Thanks, EVGA
Good to know! Is there going to be a back plate provided for the GTX970?
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 17:48:04
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godgxjs Could someone please comment on the loudness and temperature of the card? This comparison (Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 Review Roundup - Performance Analysis, from bit-tech.net) has made me a bit worried about the evga card, mainly because they make it sound as if the quality of the card components isn't as good as the other 2 brands. I have never had a bad experience with evga which is why I decided to get their SSC GTX970 AXC 2.0 from newegg. Could someone also comment about the coil whine if any. Thanks.
I'm also wondering if the card will come with a backplate included or if evga will send us early adopters free backplates when available.
EVGA used "affordable" components on their 700 series and it showed. Just read the Newegg/Amazon reviews. Unfortunetely, they are using the exact same components for their 900 series. This means coil whine and a short life span is all but guaranteed.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 18:36:40
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gizmo88 EVGA used "affordable" components on their 700 series and it showed. Just read the Newegg/Amazon reviews. Unfortunately, they are using the exact same components for their 900 series. This means coil whine and a short life span is all but guaranteed.
Well, tech-power-up has some overclocking results of the card and its performing about the same as the ASUS model is. LINKY. You would think if the components are low quality it wouldn't be able to overclock and run at about the same temperatures as card presumed to have *high* quality parts. As far as newegg reviews, there is only two, one five star loving the card but hasn't even put it in his computer and one guy giving it one star hating the card. Amazon reviews two people like the card. One person mentions about them using a cheaper power setup, and may affect overclocking. The tech-power-up review has it overclocking about the same as the ASUS model. He mentions the cooler feels a little weak, and yea, I wouldn't recommend the ACX 1.0 personally they have been known to have some problems. Not to sure how the ACX 2.0 is, it hasn't been out long enough. So far the only complaints I have seen about the card using low quality parts is bit-tech so far. I would not be basing decisions on what *one* review site says and two other reviews on amazon/newegg say. If there where 3-4 review sites saying the same thing or 10-15 public people then be worried. If you look at the data from the cards, they are overclocking just as well as the competition and performing similarly in temps/frame-rates. They are running louder at idle because the fans keep running at a higher speed, but that can be changed with afterburner.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 18:46:17
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Glad Jacob and Jaeson proved me wrong. :-)
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 18:51:38
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well, they responded with nothing solid.. the acx2 performs 5 degrees worse than the twin frozr 5 and 3 degrees worse than the strix according to bit-tech, all the while being the loudest of the bunch.....
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 19:00:29
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gizmo88 EVGA used "affordable" components on their 700 series and it showed. Just read the Newegg/Amazon reviews. Unfortunately, they are using the exact same components for their 900 series. This means coil whine and a short life span is all but guaranteed.
Well, tech-power-up has some overclocking results of the card and its performing about the same as the ASUS model is. LINKY. You would think if the components are low quality it wouldn't be able to overclock and run at about the same temperatures as card presumed to have *high* quality parts. As far as newegg reviews, there is only two, one five star loving the card but hasn't even put it in his computer and one guy giving it one star hating the card. Amazon reviews two people like the card. One person mentions about them using a cheaper power setup, and may affect overclocking. The tech-power-up review has it overclocking about the same as the ASUS model. He mentions the cooler feels a little weak, and yea, I wouldn't recommend the ACX 1.0 personally they have been known to have some problems. Not to sure how the ACX 2.0 is, it hasn't been out long enough. So far the only complaints I have seen about the card using low quality parts is bit-tech so far. I would not be basing decisions on what *one* review site says and two other reviews on amazon/newegg say. If there where 3-4 review sites saying the same thing or 10-15 public people then be worried. If you look at the data from the cards, they are overclocking just as well as the competition and performing similarly in temps/frame-rates. They are running louder at idle because the fans keep running at a higher speed, but that can be changed with afterburner.
Here's a board shot of EVGA's GTX 970, a $350 card. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/front.jpg Compare that to; http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/images/front.jpgand http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/4/0/40210_04_msi_s_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_with_twinfrozr_v_spotted_looks_hot_full.jpg I don't have an engineering degree, but even I can see the difference in board layout and components used. MSI and Asus clearly hold their products to a higher standard. As well they should, we are paying a premium after all. I don't want my expensive video card to sound like a dog whistle and neither should you.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 19:01:09
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Still need more reviews of these ACX 2.0
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 19:08:49
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EVGATech_JaesonW Jacob has posted an offical response to this: http://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2220695 The way the EVGA GTX 970 ACX heat sink was designed is based on the GTX 970 wattage plus an additional 40% cooling headroom on top of it. There are 3 heat pipes on the heatsink – 2 x 8mm major heat pipes to distribute the majority of the heat from the GPU to the heatsink, and a 3rd 6mm heatpipe is used as a supplement to the design to reduce another 2-3 degrees Celsius. Also we would like to mention that the cooler passed NVIDIA Greenlight specifications.
Due to the GPU small die size, we intended for the GPU to contact two major heat pipes with direct touch to make the best heat dissipation without any other material in between.
We all know the Maxwell GPU is an extremely power efficient GPU, our SC cooler was overbuilt for it and allowed us to provide cards with boost clocks at over 1300MHz. EVGA also has an “FTW” version for those users who want even higher clocks.
Regarding fan noise, we understand that some have expressed concerns over the fan noise on the EVGA GTX 970 cards, this is not a fan noise issue but it is more of an aggressive fan curve set by the default BIOS. The fan curve can be easily adjusted in EVGA PrecisionX or any other overclocking software. Regardless, we have heard the concerns and will provide a BIOS update to reduce the fan noise during idle.
Thanks, EVGA
Fat load of empty words. I've never seen a performance disparity this large between the big brands before and it's downright embarrassing. At least if you had said it was a defect people wouldn't think your engineers were bad.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 19:36:17
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gizmo88 Here's a board shot of EVGA's GTX 970, a $350 card. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/front.jpg Compare that to; http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/images/front.jpg and http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/4/0/40210_04_msi_s_geforce_gtx_970_gaming_with_twinfrozr_v_spotted_looks_hot_full.jpg I don't have an engineering degree, but even I can see the difference in board layout and components used. MSI and Asus clearly hold their products to a higher standard. As well they should, we are paying a premium after all. I don't want my expensive video card to sound like a dog whistle and neither should you.
You can't tell component quality just from pictures alone. And if you ask three engineers to lay out a board, your going to get three different results that do overlap in some ways due to how rats nest presents itself or timing constraints, like how the memory is positioned and the group of ic's on the display output side in this case. The brand of ic's can be important, like for example the Samsung memory have been proven to have a bit more overclocking headroom then elpida memory for example. I fully agree that I do not want my card to whine, I would return it if it did. However I have only ever seen one review site, and one reviewer on I think newegg saying there card had coil whine. To me that's not enough to say that the cards will always whine. There will always be a defect here and there when the parts on these pcb's are mass produced in such quantity. People are more likely to go leave a bad review about something then a good one because if it does what it should then they don't normally have much to say while they play with there new stuff. I like numbers, if I'm going to say a card whines, i'll need more then one or two reviews when other reviews make no mentions of this and pretty much all testing shows that all of the cards are within margin of error, other then temps where the MSI does pull ahead a few degrees there.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 20:02:05
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gizmo88 Here's a board shot of EVGA's GTX 970, a $350 card. Compare that to; and I don't have an engineering degree, but even I can see the difference in board layout and components used. MSI and Asus clearly hold their products to a higher standard. As well they should, we are paying a premium after all. I don't want my expensive video card to sound like a dog whistle and neither should you.
You can't tell component quality just from pictures alone. And if you ask three engineers to lay out a board, your going to get three different results that do overlap in some ways due to how rats nest presents itself or timing constraints, like how the memory is positioned and the group of ic's on the display output side in this case. The brand of ic's can be important, like for example the Samsung memory have been proven to have a bit more overclocking headroom then elpida memory for example. I fully agree that I do not want my card to whine, I would return it if it did. However I have only ever seen one review site, and one reviewer on I think newegg saying there card had coil whine. To me that's not enough to say that the cards will always whine. There will always be a defect here and there when the parts on these pcb's are mass produced in such quantity. People are more likely to go leave a bad review about something then a good one because if it does what it should then they don't normally have much to say while they play with there new stuff. I like numbers, if I'm going to say a card whines, i'll need more then one or two reviews when other reviews make no mentions of this and pretty much all testing shows that all of the cards are within margin of error, other then temps where the MSI does pull ahead a few degrees there.
Actually, you can..EVGA's looks like a 4+2 phase, Asus looks like an 8 phase + digital VRM. This affects power efficiency + Overclockability. Judging from the pics circulating around the review sites 1. only EVGA has misaligned heat pipes. 2. EVGA is using worse quality capacitors and worse power regulator than the competitors. 3. Review sites report EVGA cards running hotter. 5 degrees higher the Twin Frozr 5 and 3 degrees higher than Strix 4. While already running hotter than the competition, EVGA ACX2 also runs louder, one site reports 10dBA higher than Strix, while another reports it 3 or 4 dBA louder than reference cooler. All in all, this is what happens when you start cutting corners..
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 20:32:59
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DchAoticN Actually, you can..EVGA's looks like a 4+2 phase, Asus looks like an 8 phase + digital VRM. This affects power efficiency + Overclockability. Judging from the pics circulating around the review sites 1. only EVGA has misaligned heat pipes. 2. EVGA is using worse quality capacitors and worse power regulator than the competitors. 3. Review sites report EVGA cards running hotter. 5 degrees higher the Twin Frozr 5 and 3 degrees higher than Strix 4. While already running hotter than the competition, EVGA ACX2 also runs louder, one site reports 10dBA higher than Strix, while another reports it 3 or 4 dBA louder than reference cooler. All in all, this is what happens when you start cutting corners..
Well first off, I'm not saying the ACX cooler is the best air cooler out there, MSI and gigabytes do appear to perform better. But just tossing more power phases at something doesn't always mean it overclocks more, quantity isn't always quality. TechPowerUp and bit-tech has the evga overclocking similar to the ASUS on air, can't find results about results when water-cooled.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 20:50:09
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dave851
DchAoticN Actually, you can..EVGA's looks like a 4+2 phase, Asus looks like an 8 phase + digital VRM. This affects power efficiency + Overclockability. Judging from the pics circulating around the review sites 1. only EVGA has misaligned heat pipes. 2. EVGA is using worse quality capacitors and worse power regulator than the competitors. 3. Review sites report EVGA cards running hotter. 5 degrees higher the Twin Frozr 5 and 3 degrees higher than Strix 4. While already running hotter than the competition, EVGA ACX2 also runs louder, one site reports 10dBA higher than Strix, while another reports it 3 or 4 dBA louder than reference cooler. All in all, this is what happens when you start cutting corners..
Well first off, I'm not saying the ACX cooler is the best air cooler out there, MSI and gigabytes do appear to perform better. But just tossing more power phases at something doesn't always mean it overclocks more. and has the evga overclocking similar to the ASUS on air, can't find results about results when water-cooled.
1. It isn't, as we can all see. This means, the heat pipe layout is obviously flawed. 2. U wot m8? It means higher stability and durability. Ask anyone on HWBot, even the amateurs, if they had the choice, would they go for a board with full Japanese solid capacitors with Ferrite chokes and digital VRM or would they go with a generic board? I honestly am not sure why you are trying to argue against this.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 20:53:54
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dave851
DchAoticN Actually, you can..EVGA's looks like a 4+2 phase, Asus looks like an 8 phase + digital VRM. This affects power efficiency + Overclockability. Judging from the pics circulating around the review sites 1. only EVGA has misaligned heat pipes. 2. EVGA is using worse quality capacitors and worse power regulator than the competitors. 3. Review sites report EVGA cards running hotter. 5 degrees higher the Twin Frozr 5 and 3 degrees higher than Strix 4. While already running hotter than the competition, EVGA ACX2 also runs louder, one site reports 10dBA higher than Strix, while another reports it 3 or 4 dBA louder than reference cooler. All in all, this is what happens when you start cutting corners..
Well first off, I'm not saying the ACX cooler is the best air cooler out there, MSI and gigabytes do appear to perform better. But just tossing more power phases at something doesn't always mean it overclocks more. and has the evga overclocking similar to the ASUS on air, can't find results about results when water-cooled.
1. It isn't, as we can all see. This means, the heat pipe layout is obviously flawed. 2. U wot m8? It means higher stability and durability. Ask anyone on HWBot, even the amateurs, if they had the choice, would they go for a board with full Japanese solid capacitors with Ferrite chokes and digital VRM or would they go with a generic board? I honestly am not sure why you are trying to argue against this.
No good
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 22:32:38
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Ok, since I was the one who started this thread I'm going to share my current opinions with everyone. My gtx 970 ssc axc 2.0 is coming tomorrow, and I have decided to give Evga the benefit of the doubt. I have always trusted this brand and it has never disappointed me before, and after much reading and deliberation I have decided to trust them again. Putting all the unfair criticism aside (witch hunt), there are few factual points to consider. The evga 970 axc cards are a bit louder and run a bit hotter than the competition. Now I'm not saying that it is because there are defects on the manufacturing or the design of the card. People who say this are just angry that the card didn't turn out to be as good as they wanted it to be, when compared to other brands. This does not mean that the card won't perform as it should or that it will malfunction or break based solely on its design. If that was the case, then it wouldn't have passed Nvidia Greenlight tests. Products that compete with each other have always been different. That's what makes competition possible and good for consumers. If you want the card with the lowest temperatures and the lowest noise then it seems the EVGA 970 isn't for you this time around. But that does not give anyone the right to say that EVGA is bad now or that the card has manufacturing defects, because that is way out of line. The engineers at EVGA decided that the design was good enough and that is why they produced it that way. They aren't always trying to figure out exactly what other brands are going to come out with in order to beat them in every single aspect of the card, because that is not how it works. They design a product, they make it, then they test it extensively, then they send it to Nvidia and they test it as well. They have been doing this for quite a while now, and they must have been doing something right because last time I checked, EVGA is probably the most reliable manufacturer of aftermarket Nvidia GPUs. So if it happens that this time, other manufacturers produced 970s with lower temperatures and noise (by a small margin), then so be it. I congratulate their design team and engineers for achieving that. I, for one, don't blindly look for the card with the lowest temperatures and noise in order to buy it. I look for a good all around product that is backed up by a reliable brand and an excellent customer service. In this case, this happens to be the EVGA gtx 970 ssc acx 2.0. It's the highest end evga model of the 970 available on the market right now (before they ran out of stock). I will be testing the card once I receive it tomorrow afternoon. And before people start calling me a crazy EVGA fanboy, I assure you I'm not. EVGA is just a brand that has earned my respect and preference over the years, and this time I did my best to analyze the situation as objectively as I could.
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/22 22:46:20
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godgxjs Ok, since I was the one who started this thread I'm going to share my current opinions with everyone. My gtx 970 ssc axc 2.0 is coming tomorrow, and I have decided to give Evga the benefit of the doubt. I have always trusted this brand and it has never disappointed me before, and after much reading and deliberation I have decided to trust them again. Putting all the unfair criticism aside (witch hunt), there are few factual points to consider. The evga 970 axc cards are a bit louder and run a bit hotter than the competition. Now I'm not saying that it is because there are defects on the manufacturing or the design of the card. People who say this are just angry that the card didn't turn out to be as good as they wanted it to be, when compared to other brands. This does not mean that the card won't perform as it should or that it will malfunction or break based solely on its design. If that was the case, then it wouldn't have passed Nvidia Greenlight tests. Products that compete with each other have always been different. That's what makes competition possible and good for consumers. If you want the card with the lowest temperatures and the lowest noise then it seems the EVGA 970 isn't for you this time around. But that does not give anyone the right to say that EVGA is bad now or that the card has manufacturing defects, because that is way out of line. The engineers at EVGA decided that the design was good enough and that is why they produced it that way. They aren't always trying to figure out exactly what other brands are going to come out with in order to beat them in every single aspect of the card, because that is not how it works. They design a product, they make it, then they test it extensively, then they send it to Nvidia and they test it as well. They have been doing this for quite a while now, and they must have been doing something right because last time I checked, EVGA is probably the most reliable manufacturer of aftermarket Nvidia GPUs. So if it happens that this time, other manufacturers produced 970s with lower temperatures and noise (by a small margin), then so be it. I congratulate their design team and engineers for achieving that. I, for one, don't blindly look for the card with the lowest temperatures and noise in order to buy it. I look for a good all around product that is backed up by a reliable brand and an excellent customer service. In this case, this happens to be the EVGA gtx 970 ssc acx 2.0. It's the highest end evga model of the 970 available on the market right now (before they ran out of stock). I will be testing the card once I receive it tomorrow afternoon. And before people start calling me a crazy EVGA fanboy, I assure you I'm not. EVGA is just a brand that has earned my respect and preference over the years, and this time I did my best to analyze the situation as objectively as I could.
Good luck man!
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Re: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0 quality concerns
2014/09/23 00:27:23
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godgxjs lower temperatures and noise (by a small margin)
If this were the linchpin of your stance you'd be easily dissuaded with an explanation of how the decibel system works. The performance difference between the ACX and the competition is stupendous. If you want to overlook this because you favor the company that's your prerogative, but as a consumer many would argue you're doing your wallet a disservice to EVGA's financial benefit. If you fail to be competitive with a product how else will a company learn if not through a loss of sales?
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