V3g3ta
EVGA designed a new cooler, includes a fine slogan.. But we at EVGA, don't know anything about it. They ship out samples, display them at CES.. For a company with such a customer service i would expect a proper response, because it's understandable how many here are feeling. And i agree that the 1080Ti shouldn't be mentioned, because it isn't relevant. That it excist is another topic of discussion, but many know it is ready.

EVGATech_EddieH
Hello all, 
We do appreciate the feedback regarding the products being shown at CES 2017.  Please keep in mind that we currently have no details regarding these items and some are considered proof of concept.  Regarding the iCX/FTW2, please stay tuned for further information coming in the near future which will be displayed here: http://www.evga.com/icx/    Again, thank you for your feedback, any further concerns can be emailed to webmaster@evga.com, but please note again that we have no further details at this time. 

Andy R.
Marlboro, VT 05344
Dear Click and Clack,
I am writing to offer profound thanks to you for resolving an important philosophical question that has been heatedly debated for the last twenty years. The rumination began on a construction site one summer in the early 1970's, as my friend Jamie and I were working our way through college. The question we raised and have agonized over, lo these many years, is one that I've never read about in any philosophical treatise, and yet I have found it has applied to countless situations and conversations overheard in bars, repair shops, sporting events, political debates, etc. etc. etc.
Posit the question: Do two people who don't know what they are talking about know more or less than one person who doesn't know what he's talking about? (Pardon the un-PC masculine pronoun, but I have found this to be, most predominately, a male phenomenon.)
In your recent conversations regarding electric brakes on a cattle carrier, I believe you definitely answered this query and have put our debate to rest. Amazingly enough, you proved that even in a case where one person might know nothing about a subject, it is possible for two people to know even less!
One person will only go so far out on a limb in his construction of deeply hypothetical structures, and will often end with a shrug or a raising of hands to indicate the dismissability of his particular take on a subject. With two people, the intricacies, the gives and takes, the wherefores and why-nots, can become a veritable pas-de-deux of breathtaking speculation, interwoven in such a way that apologies or gestures of doubt are rendered unnecessary.
I had always suspected this was the case, but no argument I could have built from my years of observation would have so satisfyingly closed the door on the subject as your performance on the cattle carrier call. To begin your comments by saying, "We'll answer your question if you tell us how electric brakes work" and "We've never heard of electric brakes" and then indulge in lengthy theoretical hypostulations on the whys and wherefores of the caller's problem allowed me to observe that you were finally putting this gnarly question to rest.
I am forever indebted to you for the great service you have performed! I'm truly impressed that it took so many years of listening to your show to finally have this matter resolved.

Sincerely,
Andy R.

ty_ger07

V3g3ta
Let EVGA clear things up.

Read what EVGA wrote.  There is virtually no information and there is nothing which EVGA plans to clear up at this time.
 
"Please keep in mind that we currently have no details regarding these items and some are considered proof of concept. ... but please note again that we have no further details at this time."
 
Why lock the thread?  It is spiraling out of control into this crazy flamebait argument thread.

malxlupus
That I have to read a chain of email updates to a thread that holds contents or a discussion that is currently important to me and to come back to find a long time forum user saying this thread is full of idiots arguing over nothing, is nothing short of insulting. Being demeaned as a know-nothing does not endear me to the EVGA brand nor this community. I came here for answers along with everyone else. I voiced my opinion as amicably, succinctly, and egalitarian-ly as possible and tried to add verifiable information to the discourse. I did not come here to not only be told no one knows anything but that I and others should just shut up. I know some things. I know where my receipt is. I know what my return before date is. And I sure as hell know what EVGA's competitors are. If you think arbitration of aggrieved customers should be handled by locking people out of a discussion then you yourself shouldn't have to speculate on our response.

V3g3ta
EVGA designed a new cooler, includes a fine slogan.. But we at EVGA, don't know anything about it. They ship out samples, display them at CES.. For a company with such a customer service i would expect a proper response, because it's understandable how many here are feeling. And i agree that the 1080Ti shouldn't be mentioned, because it isn't relevant. That it excist is another topic of discussion, but many know it is ready.

panzlock

malxlupus
That I have to read a chain of email updates to a thread that holds contents or a discussion that is currently important to me and to come back to find a long time forum user saying this thread is full of idiots arguing over nothing, is nothing short of insulting. Being demeaned as a know-nothing does not endear me to the EVGA brand nor this community. I came here for answers along with everyone else. I voiced my opinion as amicably, succinctly, and egalitarian-ly as possible and tried to add verifiable information to the discourse. I did not come here to not only be told no one knows anything but that I and others should just shut up. I know some things. I know where my receipt is. I know what my return before date is. And I sure as hell know what EVGA's competitors are. If you think arbitration of aggrieved customers should be handled by locking people out of a discussion then you yourself shouldn't have to speculate on our response.

Yeah, but, this is relevant: "Andy R.
Marlboro, VT 05344
Dear Click and Clack,
I am writing to offer profound thanks to......", etc...
 
As for you, don't feel insulted, either. This is the kind of banter that finds results. If they lock it, we know where they stand.

Scarlet-Tech

HeavyHemi

I know...and so many people 'know' the 1080Ti was going to be announced at CES. Oops. I would expect those who claim to be in possession of the facts, to make fact based arguments. What we have is a bunch of drive by rage fits over a mock-up of a product. It is ridiculous.  EVGA has always had a policy of not commenting on the rumors of released future products beyond acknowledging the rumors. No amount of angsty GPU nerd rage is going to change that.

 
THAT!  RIGHT THERE! That is a fact!
 
No, this thread isn't going to be locked, as there is no reason to lock it.  As I stated earlier, the speculation of what EVGA will do is only going to cause people anxiety because we have no clue what EVGA is actually going to do.  
 
So far, we have two pictures and a two pretty good videos (JayzTwoCents and Gamer Nexus).  Both of them is just an overlook with no definitive answer to what has fully changed.  Gamer Nexus gave the best overview, and clearly stated that they can not remove the cooler to see all of the changes.  EVGA R&D has never been required to release statements because of a mock product at a CES showing.  EVGA is giving the idea as they always have, and we can wait patiently and see what they do, or people can swear they will never return to EVGA because a picture showed up that they didn't like.. Unfortunately, until EVGA actually releases a statement, all we have is people blowing off steam with no idea what is to come.
 
Feel free to vent, but remember all of the people that said they would never buy EVGA when the SLI finger issue happened, and then EVGA release the 970 FTW+, SC+ and SSC+?  They all came back because EVGA helped them out.  Threatening to leave any company doesn't do much unfortunately.  Especially when other competitor companies don't care what they have done wrong and won't help you when your stuff breaks, unlike the one that people are threatening to leave.
 
To be honest, my original posts from 2013, right after joining this forum, show that I stated I would never come back to EVGA after they released a locked bios for the 780ti.. when EVGA came back and helped the customers that had purchased the cards, I ate my words.  When my ASUS motherboard died, they sent me the same one back, with no repairs or explanation as to what was wrong.. Sent it back a second time, and they just returned it with no repairs.  I'll stick to the companies that back their customers and products.  That is why I have been loyal to EVGA GPU's so far.  When they actually break my trust, I will actually walk away...
 
Also, I promise we all want the same answers.  EVGA is great about releasing the info to the people that are allowed to release it, and they are also great at holding information rather than allowing it to sporadically leak like NVidia and AMD do.  When EVGA has everything ready, they will give the details.  Those sending in the mass amount of emails are getting a hold of the people that were not given the information, because those folks probably work for customer service, and not the R&D department.

emsir

chapel976
Waiting on my 1080 FTW RMA right now... not really happy to see a 'new product' that might be replacing my current FTW.
 
It looks shorter too. height wise, not length wise.

I don't really understand your complaint. As we all know all brands were expecting to release the 10xx GTX TI cards in then beginning of 2017. Same procedure as the 9xx GTX series- Everybody were absolutely happy about the TI cards. So now EVGA chose to release the GTX 2 cards instead of the TI. Funny thing is. If EVGA had named their new 10xx TI, no one had complained as it was expected to see the 1xxx GTX TI cards very soon.

d.burnette
" Game with Safety and Peace of Mind"
 
I am not sure they chose the best wording for this new design for the 1080 FTW.  Kind of makes me feel like, if I want safety and peace of mind, I should sell my original  1080 FTW ( for a loss) and buy the newly designed FTW - because with my card as is I would not have safety and peace of mind.
 
I have been a very loyal customer of EVGA for many years, in both graphic cards and motherboards, and really this is the first time I can recall ever getting a bit of a bad taste over a product I purchased from them.

ty_ger07
 
...feel free to contribute to the speculation about nothing.

HeavyHemi
 
Ah...so if they lock this thread, to you that is proof of every spurious claim made of the evil intent of EVGA! They will never fool you!

Heini2
I put an ACX3 cooler on a 1080 FE and was very happy with the results (no pads). If they offer the ICX cooler for sale I'll be first in line for it to try on the TitanXP.

Scarlet-Tech

trek554

Heini2
I put an ACX3 cooler on a 1080 FE and was very happy with the results (no pads). If they offer the ICX cooler for sale I'll be first in line for it to try on the TitanXP.

so you bought a $700 FE and then bought an ACX cooler to put on it? why didn't you just buy the $620 ACX GTX1080 in the first place instead of spending 100 bucks more to end up with the same thing in the end? 

Just a guess, but availability would be a good reason. Grab the founders edition from nvidia 2 weeks before evga can even attempt to sell it, then slap another cooler on later.. could be completely wrong of course.

trek554

Scarlet-Tech

trek554

Heini2
I put an ACX3 cooler on a 1080 FE and was very happy with the results (no pads). If they offer the ICX cooler for sale I'll be first in line for it to try on the TitanXP.

so you bought a $700 FE and then bought an ACX cooler to put on it? why didn't you just buy the $620 ACX GTX1080 in the first place instead of spending 100 bucks more to end up with the same thing in the end? 

Just a guess, but availability would be a good reason. Grab the founders edition from nvidia 2 weeks before evga can even attempt to sell it, then slap another cooler on later.. could be completely wrong of course.

well maybe but it seems silly to end up with the exact same card he could have had fro 100 bucks cheaper. and from what I saw the ACX3 GTX1080 and SC version were in stock quite a bit not long after launch which is why I got it over any other model. 

panzlock

HeavyHemi

Perhaps, but you did say, if they lock this thread, it will prove something to you. If my inference was off target, you had a prime opportunity to correct it. That you did not, leads to an inference.

My reference was to the proposed notion of closing this thread to end speculation. Thinking I actually meant that the closing down of this thread, to me, means that anything discussed thus far was authentic in any way is definitively absurd. I am, in fact, one of the people personally advocating my potential speculation errors pertaining to this discussion. But since you bring up "inference" you may wish to familiarize yourself with the merchandising slogan attached to the iCX product.
 
Funny that you brought up inference when it suits your argument. Do you not feel that marketing phrase infers current ACX 3.0 coolers are not safe?
 
 

HeavyHemi
I don't think the phrase makes an inference. That is left up to the reader.

HeavyHemi
The solution would be, as in the past,  using Precision or Afterburner if you wanted lower temps. What happened was the internet echo machine, where one example of VRMs burning up, becomes OMG****BBQ the GTX 1080 almost set my house on fire! That, isn't even an exaggeration.

hapkiman

HeavyHemi

hapkiman

emsir

imricko99
To those people who back EVGA about this ICX being a new cooler with enhanced feature and not to make the original FTW being put at the corner, is there any Asus STRIX2? Is there any Gigabyte G1 Gaming 2 / Windforce OC 2? Is there any MSI Gaming X2 / Z2 / Quicksilver 2? Is there any Zotac AMP Extreme 2? Is there any Palit Super Jetstream 2 / Gamerock 2? Is there any KFA2 HOF2?

The answer is no because their coolers are not flawed. Doesn't matter whether EVGA said the ACX 3.0 cooler is not flawed even without thermal pads or not, the moment something is out of the factory and the company realize they miss out on something only after the product hits the market, then it is a flawed product.

Wrong! Will there be STRIX GTX TI? GIGABYTE G1 TI? Windforce OC2 TI? Quicksilver 2 TI? Zota AMP EXTREME TI?...and other brands TI?  The ANSWER IS yes, BECAUSE IT IS EXPECTED!
EVGA has chosen to name their new card "2". Nothing wrong with that. If EVGA named their new card TI, no one would have said anything.  And we all know EVGA. They listened to the critics and made major impovement to the cooling feature and a new backplate. You should be happy that engineers make better hardware. 

The upcoming "Ti" series are completely different cards based on a different GPU than the 1070/1080.  I think emsir's point is quite valid.  No other company has released a second model of the exact same card like a MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X-2 for instance.  It is unusual for EVGA to do this, and the fact that it is coincidentally released right after the whole thermal pad, BIOS update fiasco just adds to the frustration of owners of an ACX type 1070 or 1080.  This is not a case of a brand new card being released and EVGA just deciding to call it FTW2, having no correlation to the said problem of the FTW (1).  I have a hard time believing that one.    

Didn't EVGA do something similar regarding the 970?

No.  I realize there were several different models of the GTX 970 such as the SC, the SSC, the FTW, Armor, and Hybrid.  But no SC-2, or FTW-2 970.