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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/08 20:57:28
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Xavier Zepherious that 660 ti should get around 70K (670 does 72k) daily on old drivers and you do have a cpu - that's 70+15 - about 85k ppd even if i do rough justice on the GPU and go 55-60 - thats 70-75k daily over 10 days is 750K if you are having problems setting up the client and getting right drivers for folding then get advice here if you don't want to switch drivers and want to use the latest for gaming try a dual boot system - one win7 is FAh (min partition) and the other is main partition Yeah!!... you can ask for it to be reduced but with maxwell by june and the increased jump I think we are gonna see it stay
Is there a way to configure the folding to use the older drivers only? Gotta keep myself current to keep optimal gaming output. Removed current drivers, installed old drivers, still says 30k ppd.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/09 01:19:23
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It won't come up for awhile - since you already started on the new drivers and were slower - it will take time before the PPD corrects itself (it averages out the time you already spent and updates with the new tpf you get - remember the quicker you get it done the more bonus - if you already were slow you may have eaten off a good chunk of bonus already) not like the the old tracker - that just takes the tpf and works out a PPD from it http://www.overclock.net/t/475163/gpu-projects-ppd-database-revived GTX660 Ti's (at 1162MHz) - 65K PPD on P8900: P9401 (182,0,0) - 58K PPD (11:37 TPF) P9401 (236,0,8) - 73K PPD ( 9:58 TPF) P9401 (289,0,5) - 57K PPD (11:47 TPF) P9401 (447,0,4) - 81K PPD ( 9:19 TPF) P9401 (454,0,1) - 81K PPD ( 9:19 TPF) P9401 (457,0,2) - 81K PPD ( 9:19 TPF) P9401 (462,0,6) - 81K PPD ( 9:19 TPF) P9401 (653,0,1) - 69K PPD (10:22 TPF) P9401 (722,0,0) - 69K PPD (10:22 TPF) if it's that important to have current drivers ...I know some games demand it - assassins creed 4 comes to mind(would not work on old drivers)- run a dual boot system if you don't know how to set one up get someone local to help you set it up a 60GB HD or partition would do - I believe win7/8 allows to resize main partition - Ive got 3 multiple boot systems (one has 3 OS's on it - which requires a different bootmanager than windows) I wonder a win7 boot stick??? - not practical - as usb writes wear out stick your best bet is a second partition
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/09 12:49:02
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kyle7257 Too big of a jump for my electric costs.
DITTO, you should change it to 500k/1million. I can't afford new hardware with all the electricity costs and wear an tear on my pc, so I may only get tier 1 for now... :-(
The reason evga keeps raising the requires is to get you to hopefully buy a brand new evga video card. The folding promotion is for marketing only.
if evga really wanted marketing they should run thier own Cryptocurrency Mining Pool cause you can generate money way faster on that then you can with folding and evga bucks. It was me that introduced Cryptocurrency to this forum and so far they added a sub forum for it but I would like to see evga go further with it.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/09 19:40:17
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I dont see evga getting into mineing more then the sub forums they have given us. They make more from the sale of the products then the use of them. The bucks promotion is a marketing tool, they are in the business of marketing their product after all. For the few bucks they give they get alot in return.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/09 19:58:29
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Xantac Thanks for keeping it going! But you raised way it to much.
I am with this guy. You push too hard too fast. I am finally building a machine with a new SINGLE GTX 700 series card using the EVGA bucks I have earned through your system, but my current rig is running DUAL GTX570's with a 1st Gen i7, and I can't fold 1.5M points per month. I can ALMOST make 1M, so I think 750 on the high end, and 500 or 350 on the low end would have been fair. Not everyone upgrades at the drop of a hat... You can't force us to upgrade our hardware, so in effect you have made it almost impossible for us to make the top end. I might as well quit.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/09 23:18:14
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This one change probably knocked 80% of the EVGA folders out of the T2 bonus and probably 50% of the folders from the T1 bonus. If I didn't just put together a 4p rig, it would have knocked me out as well. I don't see team EVGA doing well on the folding front in the future, they seem to be GPU heavy with folders and I think a lot of them will jump ship when they figure out they cannot meet the requirements now.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 05:08:24
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I don't know where you pull your numbers from - unless you know don't speculate 400 are EOL (5 yr old tech - 5 generations old,..ie 400,500,600,700,800) - 500 series will be next year(maxwell refresh and 900 series) - both are out of warranty (normal replacement cycle is 4-5 years) you shouldn't be folding on 200 series cards either - no support by FAH and old projects were dropped core 15 will be retired next year possibly (by end of it) so that means no 400/500 series folding next year on core 15 - and they don't like core 17 (lower production) they are already talking new core next year - unified memory support and cuda 6 if you want to blame someone blame stanford for eliminating old hardware support and the QRB quandry they want more power and faster returns ...that means eliminating old projects and hardware too much work to keep old hardware(software support - drivers, compatibility with new clients/cores) running and more server overhead EVGA is in a pickle - 800 series card may produce up to 400k PPD under QRB- double 780 or titan like ...dual gm100 so 4 days of folding on 1 card... nice spend around $1 (9c kwh) of electricty to earn 10 evga bucks 900 series is next year imagine another increase the problem is the QRB formula (hockey stick/boomerang/exponential growth rate) stanford is the one who doesn't want you running old hardware -and why they push the bonus -faster and faster cards I have no issues making the tiers - 3 days of folding for me right now..if i crank it...if I coast on 1 card 10 days
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 06:37:59
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Xavier Zepherious the problem is the QRB formula (hockey stick/boomerang/exponential growth rate) stanford is the one who doesn't want you running old hardware -and why they push the bonus -faster and faster cards
Well said XZ. For those that think EVGA is getting some kind of marketing advancement from Folding, I would point you to look carefully at the main page. How many "marketing" visuals and routine advertisements do you see with Folding in the content? EVGA's "market" is Gaming (largely) and white-box builders. I'm in "marketing" and let me tell you, if "Folding" was the market and that was why we gave the $10 EVGA-bucks away, somebody better do some house-cleaning in the marketing dept. EVGA does have "brand loyalty" and the strength of that loyalty is in their relationships with Customers going back 15 years. I'm here today and have many EVGA products because of the stellar company that EVGA has been to me. There are lots of computer component and product companies, but few of them rise to the level EVGA has achieved. I literally stumbled into Folding by browsing this site looking for some technical information on a GPU card I had years ago. Folding is something they do because they choose to support it, not because they have to do it (or must do it). It's really way past time to "lighten up" on EVGA in this discussion and stop to realize that it is the kind of people they are, the company they have built, that allows you to have the EVGA-bucks. It is a "gift" not an entitlement.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 09:45:52
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you got to remember too with gpu qrb this year raising output 3-6x times - 25k to 150k (at least a min of 3x... my 670's get 72k) i remember us complaining when we were getting less than fermi cards on our 600 series then to go to what we have now 8x times more EVGA did not bump us up all that much last time - because GPU QRB wasn't implemented then - ie in beta and core17 testing no QRB testing at first and we had core 15 QRB betas and the hubhub over core 15 QRB and then switching core15 versions to maximize output then stanford dropping core 15 QRB so some people are complaining about EVGA doubling the bar when GPU QRB increased PPD output by 6x times - go figure!!
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 10:06:13
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Complaining about complaining... Woot.woot.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 11:46:32
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Xavier Zepherious I don't know where you pull your numbers from - unless you know don't speculate 400 are EOL (5 yr old tech - 5 generations old,..ie 400,500,600,700,800) - 500 series will be next year(maxwell refresh and 900 series) - both are out of warranty (normal replacement cycle is 4-5 years) you shouldn't be folding on 200 series cards either - no support by FAH and old projects were dropped core 15 will be retired next year possibly (by end of it) so that means no 400/500 series folding next year on core 15 - and they don't like core 17 (lower production) they are already talking new core next year - unified memory support and cuda 6 if you want to blame someone blame stanford for eliminating old hardware support and the QRB quandry they want more power and faster returns ...that means eliminating old projects and hardware too much work to keep old hardware(software support - drivers, compatibility with new clients/cores) running and more server overhead EVGA is in a pickle - 800 series card may produce up to 400k PPD under QRB- double 780 or titan like ...dual gm100 so 4 days of folding on 1 card... nice spend around $1 (9c kwh) of electricty to earn 10 evga bucks 900 series is next year imagine another increase the problem is the QRB formula (hockey stick/boomerang/exponential growth rate) stanford is the one who doesn't want you running old hardware -and why they push the bonus -faster and faster cards I have no issues making the tiers - 3 days of folding for me right now..if i crank it...if I coast on 1 card 10 days
There is no "speculation", anyone with half a brain can look it up. Team EVGA has 752 ACTIVE folders, the top 200 will make 50k PPD, which is what will be required to make their T2 bonus. While I may have been slightly exaggerating, that's still 500 out of the 700 active folders who will not make the program now. The problem is the GPU client is worth way too much IMO. Stanford was just ****ing a few weeks ago about the huge backlog of SMP projects. No one folds SMP anymore due to the ****ty points it offers. I don't even bother with my I-7 2600k anymore because it will barely do 20k PPD and that's running at nearly 5GHz.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 13:03:54
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Pitbully71 There is no "speculation", anyone with half a brain can look it up. Team EVGA has 752 ACTIVE folders, the top 200 will make 50k PPD, which is what will be required to make their T2 bonus. While I may have been slightly exaggerating, that's still 500 out of the 700 active folders who will not make the program now. The problem is the GPU client is worth way too much IMO. Stanford was just ****ing a few weeks ago about the huge backlog of SMP projects. No one folds SMP anymore due to the ****ty points it offers. I don't even bother with my I-7 2600k anymore because it will barely do 20k PPD and that's running at nearly 5GHz.
Speaking for yourself there. I run my 2600K because I care more about the SCIENCE than the bucks.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/10 13:08:53
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Xavier Zepheriousthe problem is the QRB formula (hockey stick/boomerang/exponential growth rate) I agree with this guy. Until they fix the damn QRB so that its something predictable and GUARANTEED (unlike giving it then taking it away crap) then everything is always going to be unstable. For a place with so much brains this should really be trivial to fix. The EVGA Buck limit wouldn't be a problem if there was some consistency amongst Core_17 WU's. Then you factor in nVidia taking its sweet ass time fixing its drivers, its OpenCL 1.2 implementation to drop Core usage, JIT Compiler, servers going down erratically and for long periods, Core_15 WU's popping up for days on end until it gets fixed, etc. There is a lot to be worried about even if you have a GPU or two that can make the min requirement. A lot of variables could easily keep you a days worth of folding from getting to T1 or T2. Everyone knows its free booty, but those guys are going to get the shaft when the project being inconsistent becomes the limiting factor. *EDIT* Speak of the devil another 8018. Just to solidify the consistency factor.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 07:51:22
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Meh... I'm not gonna reach 750k this month so I'm converting out.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 09:14:31
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This is the official video for this thread now:
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 15:52:51
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Just wondering I just started folding for EVGA where do you get one of those EVGA signature banners with the points on it. Like I said just wondering
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 16:18:54
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bambamshere Just wondering I just started folding for EVGA where do you get one of those EVGA signature banners with the points on it. Like I said just wondering
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 16:34:39
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What happens to the points I accumulated in Year 6? Do I have to use them by a certain date?
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 16:41:52
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bambamshere Just wondering I just started folding for EVGA where do you get one of those EVGA signature banners with the points on it. Like I said just wondering
And welcome to the team! Have a look around the forums and ask any questions you might have. Thanks EVGA for continuing the promotion. I'll keep folding for the science behind the project, anything beyond that is icing on the cake.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 16:45:55
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Xantac Thanks for keeping it going! But you raised way it to much.
I am with this guy. You push too hard too fast. I am finally building a machine with a new SINGLE GTX 700 series card using the EVGA bucks I have earned through your system, but my current rig is running DUAL GTX570's with a 1st Gen i7, and I can't fold 1.5M points per month. I can ALMOST make 1M, so I think 750 on the high end, and 500 or 350 on the low end would have been fair. Not everyone upgrades at the drop of a hat... You can't force us to upgrade our hardware, so in effect you have made it almost impossible for us to make the top end. I might as well quit.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything...If you are only in it for the bucks what's the point? I mean this has been said so many times, that you will spend more on your electricity than the $10/month you get from the EVGA bucks.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 17:02:24
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themasterpiece1 What happens to the points I accumulated in Year 6? Do I have to use them by a certain date?
no you don't have to use them by a certain date just make sure you claim your bucks on the evga folding page every month - if you forget to claim a specific year..EVGA still has a way for you to claim for them the bucks are stored on your account and you can wait as long as you wish to use them. (at least as long as EVGA is in business) ---------------------- as for anyone folding on 400/500 series cards think about replacement and handing them down to kids or family next year will be the end of core 15... I presume....since 500 series is EOL(5 yrs old tech) and stanford will have maxwell GPU's to deal with and a new core same thing happened to 200 series when they drop it's core and 400/500 don't like core 17 (even lower points) I already have passed on my gtx570 to a family member - Still useful for gaming case in point Nvidia ends full driver support for gpus older than 400 series in April
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/12 18:54:58
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JLMS2010 Nobody is forcing you to do anything...If you are only in it for the bucks what's the point? I mean this has been said so many times, that you will spend more on your electricity than the $10/month you get from the EVGA bucks.
While technically true there's two things that I was folding for. The EVGA bucks and the research it was doing. Without the EVGA bucks I don't really care about the research as much as my stated goal was always to produce something for charity. I will probably use the 30 EVGA bucks to get a Tegra Note and take it to a local childrens hospital, hand it over as is still in the box, and go from there with the Litecoins I mine between now and then to pay for it.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/15 07:03:16
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Not good for those of us using older machines. My core i7-920 rig pumps out about 22k a day, not even enough to earn $5.00 a month now Not everyone can afford to upgrade whenever new technology comes out.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/15 19:37:32
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Yeah I don't fold much anymore but obviously I won't be doing it for any of the points. I'm not gonna fork out money I don't have just to get back a measly 5-10 EVGA bux that do me no good at all. Can't any with a 560ti. Meh, I'm done folding for EVGA, i'll fold for myself now thanks.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/16 09:01:41
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slugbug Not good for those of us using older machines. My core i7-920 rig pumps out about 22k a day, not even enough to earn $5.00 a month now Not everyone can afford to upgrade whenever new technology comes out.
Blame PG and the crew over there for providing no incentive to Fold w/CPU's. Logically it makes no sense to do so, despite them being able to do more complex units, alas slower. They say, "what do you fold for? money, points or science?" Well obviously science, but we also fold for points, PERIOD. If it wasn't for that competitive incentive people would fold casually a few hours a day vs 24/7 giving the project countless PFlops it has now. The side bonus with CPU folding though is it doesn't completely rape your system. Try watching a video while folding on a GPU. It blows lol.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/20 19:53:40
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Looks like year 6 was my last year until I get a new card.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/03/25 16:45:08
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Thank you for extending this wonderful promotion for another year. I do wish you would add a third tier at 6mil, that would be cool.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/04/05 09:39:05
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Mining has killed this promotion and taken too many people off of folding and into other causes with huge payoffs. And don't hit me with the "folding for a cause" guilt. If it were truly about the cause you don't even need to be on a team, you can just do it on your own for self gratification. I chose to fold here in the past because the minimal return in exchange for the electricity and time I put into it helped me cut the cost a little of my last video card purchase. Even so, that took me almost a year of folding and I still had to put half the money out for a 650ti. Compared to the newer video card prices it would take me 20 years of folding to even cut half of the cost. This in no way dictates my thoughts on folding and why I do it. What it does do is show why I was folding here. People can fold anywhere. The promotion is the only reason I did it here. With my mediocre card output I would be lucky just to hit tier one now so I think my days with EVGA and their products are over. Everybody has to move on to different things sooner or later.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year 7
2014/04/05 13:24:38
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mercyflush64 With my mediocre card output I would be lucky just to hit tier one now so I think my days with EVGA and their products are over. Everybody has to move on to different things sooner or later.
Sooo lemme get this straight, because you can't meet the new tiers, you're going to stop buying EVGA's products as well as cease your folding efforts?
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