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2021/04/29 10:52:25 (permalink)
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I did a ton of prep work in terms of research before even touching the card. Didn't want to screw anything up or void warranty. In regards to original equipment, everything is still in place other than the AIO itself. 
 
Clovis559 was the first I've seen to go down this route with his Kingpin. I've never trusted AIO's, but I knew he'd have a hard time trying to run a full loop through the AIO head itself. I tried once when Threadripper was brand new and there weren't blocks out for it yet. It worked technically, just not very well.
 
Being that both Optimus and EVGA are the only ones that seem to care about a block for the Kingpin, both have been famous as of late for how delayed their products have rolled out. I know, the world has slowed all together this past year. Either way, I wanted to try and find a stealth way to block the card without any change to it's external appearance. Clovis559 was nice enough to shoot me some of his measurements he took while his card was apart since I didn't want to tear mine apart for the measurements I needed. All in all, I discovered that the original thermal pads are 2mm. The surface height of the original AIO memory cooling plate is 1mm above the GPU die itself, but the memory cooling plate is 2mm total, with it's stamped design. It's a smart design, but also proprietary in it's design. Not down with that, so I got a 2mm thick copper plate from Amazon for like 15 bucks. Traced the design of the original memory cooling plate onto the 2mm Amazon plate. Dremeled it out so it matched. Screwed up drilling one hole out cause the bit broke midway through. Made it pretty tough to clean it up. 
 
With the new Thermalright 2mm thermal pads I got, and the new 2mm copper plate, placing it down showed how much the AIO coldplate is proprietary. I imitated the design of it by using the center cutout of the copper plate as a shim for the die. Used KPx on both sides. Didn't want to use LM cause I'm out of nail polish and also I just don't feel right about it yet. Maybe when there's a legit actual block on it, I'll apply LM. Anyway, I was hopeful that KPx was enough seeing as the block isn't directly touching the die. It's die>KPx>shim>KPx>block.
 
The key here though is the overhang of the block onto the new 2mm copper plate for the memory. The block overhangs over the shim onto the copper memory plate. This is the active cooling solution that mirrors the AIO's design. I was also hopeful that it was enough contact to properly cool the memory. Being that the new copper plate had much more copper to it also helps in it's own passive cooling capacity. 
 
With the shim installed and ready for the block, the new memory plate was about 0.5-0.7mm taller than the shim. This is exactly what I wanted, since the thermal pads should squish down anyway for optimal contact. Had to use different mounting hardware for the block than what came with it, but still used the springs to equalize the mounting pressure for each corner. Also threw some zipties around the mounting hardware since the 30 series mounting dimensions are rectangular vs square in past generations. As I was tightening down, the hardware was slightly angling out due to how the bracket was modded to support the rectangular arrangement.
 
Also snagged some Koolance fittings and some EPDM tubing in 1/4" ID, 3/8" OD sizing. This also mirrored the original AIO tubing, so that I could maintain the stealth look to this mod.
 
I was stoked, because it worked out perfectly.
 
I wanted to share this with you guys because it was a fun mod and I know some of us get down with ridiculous mods like this. Maybe it can help someone else with something similar!
 
And it works perfectly. Disclaimer: I've never had the best scores with either of my 3090's (FTW3 as well) but I just don't have the time to chase high scores, just got time for low temps.
 

 
post edited by lifeisshort117 - 2021/04/29 13:41:38
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    kissTheApex
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 10:59:21 (permalink)
    Looks really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:00:47 (permalink)
    Very nice!  It looks like the maximum GPU temperature is comparable to an EVGA GPU block

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:03:11 (permalink)
    Wouldn't it have been cheaper, easier and better to just cut the Kingpin's AIO tubes and connect your radiator and pump to it?
     
    From an engineering standpoint, I see extra layers of "thermal contact resistance" because now you gave an intermediate plate between your cold plate and your GPU, there's two points of contact there. Liquid metal would reduce that resistance, but it will stained the copper from my experience. 
    post edited by KingEngineRevUp - 2021/04/29 11:05:34
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:04:17 (permalink)
    We're twins. Knowing what I know now, I wish I would have went with a much larger block like you have, or even larger. Those temperatures though!
    I just ordered my parts to fix my flow problem, but can't do anything until they come next week!
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:07:17 (permalink)
    KingEngineRevUp
    Wouldn't it have been cheaper, easier and better to just cut the Kingpin's AIO tubes and connect your radiator and pump to it?



    I tried that. In short, the design of the AIO block is quite restrictive for flow, the tubes ID are small, and ... it works, but what Lifeisshort117 has will yield much better performance.
    Actually to keep warranty in tact, I ordered a Hybrid kit, which has an identical AIO block to the Kingpin, and cut that. My 360 Kingpin AIO is untouched in the box.
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:12:10 (permalink)
    SOOO GOOD.  Been waiting for a while for someone to fit a block under the shroud.  Looks great.
     
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:26:51 (permalink)
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    Wouldn't it have been cheaper, easier and better to just cut the Kingpin's AIO tubes and connect your radiator and pump to it?



    I tried that. In short, the design of the AIO block is quite restrictive for flow, the tubes ID are small, and ... it works, but what Lifeisshort117 has will yield much better performance.
    Actually to keep warranty in tact, I ordered a Hybrid kit, which has an identical AIO block to the Kingpin, and cut that. My 360 Kingpin AIO is untouched in the box.




    So what are your results like and can you share photos? 
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 11:53:13 (permalink)
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    KingEngineRevUp
    Wouldn't it have been cheaper, easier and better to just cut the Kingpin's AIO tubes and connect your radiator and pump to it?



    I tried that. In short, the design of the AIO block is quite restrictive for flow, the tubes ID are small, and ... it works, but what Lifeisshort117 has will yield much better performance.
    Actually to keep warranty in tact, I ordered a Hybrid kit, which has an identical AIO block to the Kingpin, and cut that. My 360 Kingpin AIO is untouched in the box.




    So what are your results like and can you share photos? 



    I Pmed it to you, I def don’t want to take away from this thread. Life has improved his mount over mine, his block, solved a few problems I have not. I really am tickled by his implementation. It is nice to see how others think and solve problems. I actually got lucky on spacing on my mount, but if I was to redo it, I would go this route. hands down.
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 12:18:56 (permalink)
    Nice work and you are a brave soul to perform that kind of work on a Kingpin.  How do you think the plastic zip ties are going to hold up to prolonged use?  One side looks to be under more tension than the other.  I'm not an engineer so maybe that's what you intended or needed based on your modifications.  It looks really clean though in the finished install while retaining the Kingpin shroud.  Much props to you guys for pushing to see what you guys can do while you wait for your next options to become available.  

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 14:03:30 (permalink)
    great work, subbed.

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 14:07:57 (permalink)
    mech9t5
    Very nice!  It looks like the maximum GPU temperature is comparable to an EVGA GPU block

     
    Thank you sir! Yeah I'm glad I was able to maintain great contact with the die so that temps were good even with the shim implemented. Saved a ton of money and hassle going this route vs the HC block for this card.

    KingEngineRevUp
    Wouldn't it have been cheaper, easier and better to just cut the Kingpin's AIO tubes and connect your radiator and pump to it?
     
    From an engineering standpoint, I see extra layers of "thermal contact resistance" because now you gave an intermediate plate between your cold plate and your GPU, there's two points of contact there. Liquid metal would reduce that resistance, but it will stained the copper from my experience. 

     
    Yeah like Clovis559 said, it indeed had been tried but with less than ideal results. His heart and mind were the in the right place, because when you first open the card up, the situation you see doesn't give you much confidence with figuring out a solution to the problem. And with the Liquid Metal, yes the copper would have soaked up the gallium quite a bit, and I would have had to redo it within a few months so that the second application wouldn't get soaked into the copper. I figured it was worth a shot first with the KPx, and I wasn't disappointed!

    Clovis559
    We're twins. Knowing what I know now, I wish I would have went with a much larger block like you have, or even larger. Those temperatures though!
    I just ordered my parts to fix my flow problem, but can't do anything until they come next week!

     
    Heck yeah man, I really honestly couldn't have done this without ya! I had an initial idea about it, but seeing you go through everything was the motivation I needed to partake in figuring out a solution!

    kevinc313
    SOOO GOOD.  Been waiting for a while for someone to fit a block under the shroud.  Looks great.

     
    Thanks dude! I was SO glad it fit under the shroud haha such a stealthy mod. Glad it turned out successful!

    Gotspeed_2000
    Nice work and you are a brave soul to perform that kind of work on a Kingpin.  How do you think the plastic zip ties are going to hold up to prolonged use?  One side looks to be under more tension than the other.  I'm not an engineer so maybe that's what you intended or needed based on your modifications.  It looks really clean though in the finished install while retaining the Kingpin shroud.  Much props to you guys for pushing to see what you guys can do while you wait for your next options to become available.  


    I would be lying if I said I wasn't nervous while working on it, that's for sure. It's always nerve racking working on expensive hardware. Ya know, I had debated on the size of the zipties due to the prolonged heat exposure. It's why I opted for thicker zipties in this situation, because I had the super small and narrow ones first. Didn't like how 'delicate' it seemed. Also, from my experiences, I really can't decide if heat itself or UV exposure is the killer for zipties. I tried to mirror the zipties but fudged that up a bit, but I made sure the tension was equal, the locks on the zipties are just in slightly different positions since I had to stack two to wrap around the two screws successfully.
     
    I'm glad you like the mod though, man! Thanks for the kind words!
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 16:13:37 (permalink)
    Very cool work man!


     
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 17:55:18 (permalink)
    Dang, nice job! That's awesome to see folks mod their cards like this with such good results.

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 18:03:29 (permalink)
    Nice dude

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 19:11:45 (permalink)
    lifeisshort117



    Just noticed the zip ties.  What's the purpose of these zip ties?

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 19:35:23 (permalink)
    mech9t5
    Just noticed the zip ties.  What's the purpose of these zip ties?



    The mounting holes are not in a square, they're in a rectangle. The mounting holes of block are in a square. They don't line up so he had to drill into the mounting brackets (For the water block) to make new holes. This makes it annoying to bolt down because they can now slide out.

    The zip ties hold the bolts in place, from sliding out, while Life tightens the screws. Now that it's bolted down, they likely don't do anything.
     

    post edited by Clovis559 - 2021/04/29 19:38:38
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 20:36:58 (permalink)
    Man thats pretty awesome. Just to squeeze a little more out of KP cards is pretty impressive

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/29 21:24:49 (permalink)
    pretty awesome, and nice photos

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/30 05:55:31 (permalink)
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    Just noticed the zip ties.  What's the purpose of these zip ties?



    The mounting holes are not in a square, they're in a rectangle. The mounting holes of block are in a square. They don't line up so he had to drill into the mounting brackets (For the water block) to make new holes. This makes it annoying to bolt down because they can now slide out.

    The zip ties hold the bolts in place, from sliding out, while Life tightens the screws. Now that it's bolted down, they likely don't do anything.
     



    Thank you for that!

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/04/30 08:29:10 (permalink)
    Great shots and project  Appears to be worth the effort. 
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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2021/07/08 12:37:21 (permalink)
    Amazing mod! Thanks for sharing.
    What is the delta between water and gpu?

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    Re: Ditched that Kingpin AIO 2023/02/16 22:26:23 (permalink)
    Great pictures and thank you for sharing; I am about to do similar with my Kingpin 3090Ti.   I agree, EVGA should, (should have since they no longer offer nvidia graphic cards), offer a non-AIO version during checkout. 

    Why have two pieces, the center shim and the outer plate?  Could not a single copper sheet be used?  
    post edited by Jafo67 - 2023/02/18 00:19:03
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