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2016/08/16 12:13:05 (permalink)
The DG-87 has the ability to mount a radiator on the top, or on the front of the case, that being said the top appears to be an issue about the height of a radiator that is used. 

Front of the case can use any thickness radiator, and push/pull from what I have seen. Can the top take a 60mm radiator? If I just use the fans in the top of the case as "pull", instead of also affixing fans to the bottom for "push", will a 60mm radiator fit by itself? From initial reports the 25mm fans at the top do not impact the space available above the motherboard, as they are recessed into their own area. Trying to determine what second radiator I need to run, I have 2x 60mm thick, 360MM radiators.
 
So for you guys that already got the case, have you tried to mount a 60mm thick radiator at the top, or can you measure the "usable" space above there to determine if 60mm is just too thick to make the motherboard connections work.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 17:27:29 (permalink)
So i did a mock up last night and i have a 30 mm Alpha Cool 420 radiator and with Push fans there was about just barley 10 mm to the top of my Classifies K motherboard so yes you can mount a 60 mm rad on top with only pull from the top fans but i would be worried about getting enough air flow that way. Personally i would never go that way i always want minimum push from my fans but again that's personal preference. I also think its going to depend on whats the FPI on that 60 mm rad if it is a open low like 17-20 you might be OK, just IMO i would return it and get a thinner rad for the top and use it for the initial cooling then go into your 60 mm rad mounted on the right side and you should be golden


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 17:30:59 (permalink)
That is about what I gathered from talking to people today, and reading on the forums.

Previously I bought a 60mm thick, EK 360mm - I am returning that and going with this setup:

Top Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 65mm, Fan+Rad=55mm)
 
Front Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 70mm, Fan+Rad=70mm)
 
Seems to check out, I figure if the reservoir bracket on the front (measure 70mm from edge of the bracket to front wall of case [hardware canucks review]) makes it too close, the Dremel will solve that issue.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 17:39:20 (permalink)
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That is about what I gathered from talking to people today, and reading on the forums.

Previously I bought a 60mm thick, EK 360mm - I am returning that and going with this setup:

Top Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 65mm, Fan+Rad=55mm)
 
Front Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 70mm, Fan+Rad=70mm)
 
Seems to check out, I figure if the reservoir bracket on the front (measure 70mm from edge of the bracket to front wall of case [hardware canucks review]) makes it too close, the Dremel will solve that issue.




Hey were you looking at my parts list? LOL thats pretty much my exact


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 17:43:15 (permalink)
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That is about what I gathered from talking to people today, and reading on the forums.

Previously I bought a 60mm thick, EK 360mm - I am returning that and going with this setup:

Top Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 65mm, Fan+Rad=55mm)
 
Front Radiator is now: Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper X-Flow 420mm Radiator w/ 3x Corsair ML140 Pro fans (Clearance in DG-8 case = 70mm, Fan+Rad=70mm)
 
Seems to check out, I figure if the reservoir bracket on the front (measure 70mm from edge of the bracket to front wall of case [hardware canucks review]) makes it too close, the Dremel will solve that issue.




Hey were you looking at my parts list? LOL thats pretty much my exact




Haha! They seemed like the most logical choice, havent seen your build actually :)
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:05:11 (permalink)
For reference. =) Notice that this spacing is the clearance with the fans mounted to the other side of the brackets, so the clearance is only needed for radiator, unless you want to relocate the fans to the other side of the mounts. I for one will be replacing the fans where they are with my NZXT FN120s. I also am measuring to decide the two 320mm Alphacool NexXxos rads that I will be ordering. I accidentally bought 460's in my rush. Still salty that I am having to wait for gpu water blocks for my 1080 FTWs.
 
Rear spacing:

khione.newoddity.com/images/20160816_204843.jpg
Top spacing:

khione.newoddity.com/images/20160816_204830.jpg
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:30:13 (permalink)
Would you go dual 30mm rad, or 30mm up top, and a 45mm on the "front" of the case, or dual 30mm in the 420mm length.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:37:51 (permalink)
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Would you go dual 30mm rad, or 30mm up top, and a 45mm on the "front" of the case, or dual 30mm in the 420mm length.



That will really depend on your intentions for the right side rad whether your going to push pull them as well, i don't see the need personally so like your 30 mm push/pull on top with 45 mm push on the right that gives plenty of clearance to the reservoir mount and having dual 420 rads will more than enough cooling for anything your planning lol


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:41:42 (permalink)
I ran a push only thermochill PA120.3 setup for about 7-8 years, and it was perfect, the setup I'm eyeing now is just overkill lol..

I won't care for push/pull as the actual difference on radiators is minimal, and with this much cooling surface area, I don't think I'd see any tangible benefit of trying to fit it.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:43:37 (permalink)
Seeing as how the price is nominal between the two ($3 when we are in the $90 range) and the extra mm do not affect the resistance in the system,  I am going to go with what you describe. 45mm x 420mm in the right ("front") and a 30mm x 420mm in the top. I was on the fence to fit a 45mm in the top, but I would rather have more clearance and have a cleaner (imho) look.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 18:47:38 (permalink)
Sounds like a solid plan, I think having the extra 10mm will look a bit cleaner as well, ideally it would have been nice if the mounting brackets up top were different, and allowed the radiator to sit up into that recessed area, instead of below.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/16 19:01:39 (permalink)
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Sounds like a solid plan, I think having the extra 10mm will look a bit cleaner as well, ideally it would have been nice if the mounting brackets up top were different, and allowed the radiator to sit up into that recessed area, instead of below.



Agree


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/24 18:24:32 (permalink)
Made a change!

Top radiator, is now a Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 420, 30mm radiator.
Right radiator (front), is now a Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 420, 60mm radiator.
 
Also pulled the trigger on 11 Corsair ML140 Pro fans (wallet loved that) - Replacing the 2 on the left of case, top is going to be 6 push/pull, and front will be 3 push.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/24 19:05:33 (permalink)
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Made a change!

Top radiator, is now a Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTS 420, 30mm radiator.
Right radiator (front), is now a Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 420, 60mm radiator.
 
Also pulled the trigger on 11 Corsair ML140 Pro fans (wallet loved that) - Replacing the 2 on the left of case, top is going to be 6 push/pull, and front will be 3 push.




If you find you really wanted some Thermaltake Riing 14 RGB's let me know, i have a 3 pak, and am thinking of Corsair ML pro 120's. 3pcs.

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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/24 19:57:30 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby chaosminionx 2016/08/24 21:35:53
i just installed 6 ML140's today and thing to note, do not over tighten the screws. because the screw rail is raised the plastic corner on the fans will stretch the rubber a bit too far as it pulls the corner into the groove. i honestly hate this raised area as it allows for extra space between the fans and radiators. some sort of seal is required if you have fans on one side and rad on the other.
 
edit: this will do perfectly https://www.amazon.com/XS...m-2-pack/dp/B00NODDV1K added to my build list.
post edited by Chris21010 - 2016/08/24 20:01:17


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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/24 21:36:29 (permalink)
Ordered a set of those as well, nice find!
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/25 17:07:26 (permalink)
I used a gasket in my build because the plugged ports on top of the radiator interfered with the radiator sitting flush against the case.
 

post edited by B1gf00t - 2016/08/26 08:57:27
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:25:17 (permalink)
So I learned some things in putting my build together...

60mm thick 420mm radiator fits on the "right" side without issue, and enough clearance for the reservoir bracket. The "top" radiator on the other hand is an entirely different beast...

In order for a top mounted 420mm radiator to fit, I went with a 30mm thick, 420mm radiator x-flow design. In order to fit the 420mm radiator properly in the top there is a little bracket used for the plexi EVGA insert, it has 2 screw's in it, this has to be removed in order to fit the 420mm radiator on top. Also, if you plan on running dual 420mm radiators, with an x-flow style radiator on top, you need to buy some 45, or 90 degree fittings because the "right" side radiator will block the fitting on the top radiator. Needless to say, my build is on hold until this week, when I can get the 45/90° fittings in to make it work.

Top radiator is going to be 30mm with push/pull Corsair ML140 Pro fans, and the "right" is running push only with ML140 Pro's; 11 ML140 Pro in total to replace all the fans on case.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:44:48 (permalink)
i knew that the panel holder had to come out but i didn't know that the top radiator would obstruct the ports on the right radiator... after initial measuring i thought that if you push the top radiator as far left as possible and the right as low as possible there was enough clearance. even accounting for the extra 40mm on the length for the ports you should still be able to get the radiators apart from each other enough not to interfere with one another.
 
Edit: i just measured again with my metric tape and the sliding mount holes are exactly 460mm long, so 420mm for fans and 40mm for ports. but the ports on top need to be on the left side of the case to not interfere with the ports on the right.


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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:46:48 (permalink)
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So I learned some things in putting my build together...

60mm thick 420mm radiator fits on the "right" side without issue, and enough clearance for the reservoir bracket. The "top" radiator on the other hand is an entirely different beast...

In order for a top mounted 420mm radiator to fit, I went with a 30mm thick, 420mm radiator x-flow design. In order to fit the 420mm radiator properly in the top there is a little bracket used for the plexi EVGA insert, it has 2 screw's in it, this has to be removed in order to fit the 420mm radiator on top. Also, if you plan on running dual 420mm radiators, with an x-flow style radiator on top, you need to buy some 45, or 90 degree fittings because the "right" side radiator will block the fitting on the top radiator. Needless to say, my build is on hold until this week, when I can get the 45/90° fittings in to make it work.

Top radiator is going to be 30mm with push/pull Corsair ML140 Pro fans, and the "right" is running push only with ML140 Pro's; 11 ML140 Pro in total to replace all the fans on case.



Ya the top is a pain i only have a single 420 mm rad atm when i get my 2nd 1080 i plan to add a 2nd one for the right side, in order for me to mount my top radiator i ended up having to slide it all the way to the right for enough clearance to reach my reservoir

 
I am not sure how i am going to fit the second radiator i am guessing i will have to slide the top rad all the way left and use a 90 out/in to the right side rad then turn the reservoir so that in feed is facing the front and do a simple 90 bend into the reservoir from the out of the right radiator. I will prolly go with a EK 40 MM 420 for the right side
post edited by vormicia - 2016/08/28 14:48:21


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:49:05 (permalink)


As you can see the x-flow barb sits directly over the 60mm radiator.. If I had a traditional radiator setup it would probably work out, I'm hoping the 90° fitting makes it work, if not I'll have to sell this x-flow since I can't return it, since its been flushed and mounted.
post edited by chaosminionx - 2016/08/28 14:51:37
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:51:15 (permalink)
you would think having such a BIG case things wouldn't be as tight as they are LOL


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 14:59:39 (permalink)
ya, i just noticed that they slotted the mounting holes incorrectly for those who want their top ports on the right. the slots should start right against the left side and be 40mm from the right side. but they did it backwards pushing the top radiator 40mm more to the right for those wanting to put their ports on the right. so again case is doubly designed for top ports on the left.
 
Edit: you could do like i was planning and run black soft tubing from the top left to the right side behind the back panel.
post edited by Chris21010 - 2016/08/28 15:03:20


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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 15:03:11 (permalink)
Im assuming you tried to slide the top as far left and the right one down as far as they can go?


 
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 15:11:28 (permalink)
Yes, the front radiator can only slide down so far, I actually found with the radiator slid all the way down, the fan holes no longer lined up, it has to be a certain height in order for them to all line up again.
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Re: DG-87 Radiator Compatibility 2016/08/28 15:11:28 (permalink)
I was super bummed out last night trying to make it work, and sliding the radiators down, all the way to left, etc... Just wasn't gonna happen with the straight fittings.

Also learned the 28mm bolts that come with the radiators are not sufficient, ended up using 30mm M4 socket cap, in black zinc to mount the fans to radiator; the socket cap style fits very nicely into the Corsair ML series..
post edited by chaosminionx - 2016/08/28 15:15:07
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