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2022/08/16 11:28:47 (permalink)
I've been trying to find a thread for this, but what are some conservative OC settings for this card to improve performance, but without stressing the hell out of it? 
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 11:44:34 (permalink)
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 

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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 12:45:46 (permalink)
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    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 


    rjohnson11
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 



    It doesn't feel like it, I went from a 2080ti to this 3090ti. I've only seen like a 8fps improvement over my old card, and timespy results are putting me below average. 

    If this is it, then its not worth the upgrade. lol
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 14:18:28 (permalink)
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    rjohnson11
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 


    rjohnson11
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 



    It doesn't feel like it, I went from a 2080ti to this 3090ti. I've only seen like a 8fps improvement over my old card, and timespy results are putting me below average. 

    If this is it, then its not worth the upgrade. lol

    Sounds like your system is holding your new gpu back.

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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 14:50:12 (permalink)
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    rjohnson11
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 


    rjohnson11
    The RTX 3090ti FTW is already overclocked quite a bit. If you want to be real conservative maybe try a 3 percent overclock. Then slowly adjust that a small bit higher checking for stability as you do so. Each GPU will overclock differently and some won't overclock at all. Depends if you have won the silicon lottery. 



    It doesn't feel like it, I went from a 2080ti to this 3090ti. I've only seen like a 8fps improvement over my old card, and timespy results are putting me below average. 

    If this is it, then its not worth the upgrade. lol

    Sounds like your system is holding your new gpu back.


    I dont see what would be holding it back. 


     
    I don't have anything to bottle neck it. I was in the 17,000 range with the 2080ti. 


    post edited by alex33x - 2022/08/16 14:54:53
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 15:06:45 (permalink)
    What resolution are you playing at and what are your system specs? Going from a RTX 2080Ti to a RTX 3090Ti is definitely going to be a bigger than 8fps gain. Because if that’s all you’re seeing you are either severely CPU limited or there is something very wrong with your system.

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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 15:27:43 (permalink)
    CraptacularOne
    What resolution are you playing at and what are your system specs? Going from a RTX 2080Ti to a RTX 3090Ti is definitely going to be a bigger than 8fps gain. Because if that’s all you’re seeing you are either severely CPU limited or there is something very wrong with your system.



    My specs are on the post above yours. As far as games, I've tried God of War, Assassins Creed Oddyssey and Valhalla and Avengers.

    Granted my 2080ti was watercooled and overclocked this still feels, rather underwhelming for a a top of the line 3090ti with the 1920Mhz bost. 
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 16:38:42 (permalink)
    an I9 9900k should be able to hit 5ghz all-core , your says 4? 
    What resolution are you gaming at to see only 8 FPS increase, the card really shines at bigger resolution
    21457 is a little lack luster but the Average moved a bunch since the card was released and I think everyone recording scores is over clocked 
    the average increased a bunch between April and July  
    17K is phenomenal for a 2080ti that average more like 14.6k
    +90 clock  +106 PT  +600mem can lift you 1000 points pretty easily and should be fairly safe  
     


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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 16:42:37 (permalink)
    Your graphics score is in the ballpark (still a little low) it's your CPU that's holding you back. Did you update your boards BIOS to support ResizeableBAR? Your card supports it and does benefit from it. Also you never answered what resolution you're playing games at? If you're playing at 1080p your CPU is 100% holding your RTX 3090 Ti down. While the 9900KS is a fine gaming CPU it's not anywhere near as fast as current CPUs from both AMD and Intel and has definitely lost a few steps to them. 
     
    Just to give you an idea of how far behind your 9900K is to today's CPUs here's a run with my RTX 3080 Ti and a 12700K:
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/24664593
     
    If you had a current generation platform you would be in the 22-23k overall score. 
     
    EDIT: and yeah, I seriously doubt you were in the 17k range with a 2080 Ti, they are in the 14-15k range.
    Here's a run from one of my previous systems with a 2080 Ti:
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/10765947
     
    Just barely over 15k and that was also fully watercooled system. 
     
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 17:22:05 (permalink)
    I just ran my 90 ti and 21.4 is a good stock score


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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 20:41:07 (permalink)
    CraptacularOne
    Your graphics score is in the ballpark (still a little low) it's your CPU that's holding you back. Did you update your boards BIOS to support ResizeableBAR? Your card supports it and does benefit from it. Also you never answered what resolution you're playing games at? If you're playing at 1080p your CPU is 100% holding your RTX 3090 Ti down. While the 9900KS is a fine gaming CPU it's not anywhere near as fast as current CPUs from both AMD and Intel and has definitely lost a few steps to them. 
     
    Just to give you an idea of how far behind your 9900K is to today's CPUs here's a run with my RTX 3080 Ti and a 12700K:
     
     
    If you had a current generation platform you would be in the 22-23k overall score. 
     
    EDIT: and yeah, I seriously doubt you were in the 17k range with a 2080 Ti, they are in the 14-15k range.
    Here's a run from one of my previous systems with a 2080 Ti:
     
     
    Just barely over 15k and that was also fully watercooled system. 
     





     
    Same PC same Processor Aventum with the exotic water cooling.

    The only difference now is the 2080ti was, overclocked and water cooled, vs this 3090ti which is air cooled. Unless they scoring system changed somehow this makes 0 sense. I understand what your saying about the i9-9900ks being old gen, but there are people getting better scores than mine. I'm limited to 5.2Ghz because of limited OC knowledge. Not because it's overheating and my 2080ti overclocking was done by Digital Storm. 
     
    post edited by alex33x - 2022/08/16 20:44:01
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 20:45:41 (permalink)
    kraade
    an I9 9900k should be able to hit 5ghz all-core , your says 4? 
    What resolution are you gaming at to see only 8 FPS increase, the card really shines at bigger resolution
    21457 is a little lack luster but the Average moved a bunch since the card was released and I think everyone recording scores is over clocked 
    the average increased a bunch between April and July  
    17K is phenomenal for a 2080ti that average more like 14.6k
    +90 clock  +106 PT  +600mem can lift you 1000 points pretty easily and should be fairly safe  
     



    Overclocking doesnt show in dxdiag.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/16 21:00:51 (permalink)
    Instead of these low resolution screen shots how about you give us a link to your runs so we can actually see the data instead of squinting and trying make out what is happening? Give us a link to your 2080 TI run and your most recent 3090 Ti run. Just break up the link since you are a new member you'll have to break up the links so the system doesn't auto delete them but we can copy and fix them to go to the linked run.
     
    After you copy the link just put a space or 2 in it like this https  ://www. 3dmark.com/ spy/10765947
     
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 00:56:51 (permalink)
    3DMark scores will scale only when components are well balanced. A 9900K (3 generations old; ddr4) is ages behind a 12900K & ddr5

    https://support.benchmark...-spy-score-calculated-
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 02:59:35 (permalink)
    But I think the OP is only looking at the graphics score which will not change very much going from a 9900k to a 12900k.  Might pick up 100-200pts, but that's it.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 04:19:00 (permalink)
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    But I think the OP is only looking at the graphics score which will not change very much going from a 9900k to a 12900k.  Might pick up 100-200pts, but that's it.


    Agreed because he is CPU limited. 

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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 04:35:51 (permalink)
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    EDIT: and yeah, I seriously doubt you were in the 17k range with a 2080 Ti, they are in the 14-15k range.
    Here's a run from one of my previous systems with a 2080 Ti:
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/10765947
     
    Just barely over 15k and that was also fully watercooled system. 

     
    Meh, here's my 2080ti FTW3 Hydro Copper at full tilt (+120 core; +1400 memory). GPU score of 17,200 on an i7-9700K only at 5Ghz OC. IMO, the 2080ti's OC'd VERY well compared to the 30 series. However, I understand what you are saying 14K-15K is stock without OC.
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/23969803
     
    Sajin

    Sounds like your system is holding your new gpu back.

     
    Agree
     
     
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    3DMark scores will scale only when components are well balanced. A 9900K (3 generations old; ddr4) is ages behind a 12900K & ddr5

    https://support.benchmark...-spy-score-calculated-



    100% correct. Here's one of my 3090's on 2 different CPU's and the better the CPU/System the better the graphics score. 
     
    5900X + 3090 OC'd  = https://www.3dmark.com/spy/21844058 (21735 GPU score)
    12900K (DDR5) + 3090 OC'd = https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29297820 (22340 GPU score)
     
    ~ 600pt difference which is pretty pretty good with a small difference on core and memory OC as high as it is already on the point scale. 
     
     
    alex33x
    I've been trying to find a thread for this, but what are some conservative OC settings for this card to improve performance, but without stressing the hell out of it? 




     
    Just use PX1, do the OC scan and apply those settings. Should be good to go. 
     
    post edited by UndesiredSanity - 2022/08/17 04:38:27
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 04:50:16 (permalink)
    I disagree. There is not 600pts between a 5000 series Ryzen and a 12th gen Intel. I just built a new 12900k. Clocks and temp were slightly better for the Ryzen run, but not 600pts worth. Maybe 100-200.

    https://www.3dmark.com/co...29906514/spy/26271521#

    Both systems are OC'ed with tuned b-die and Hynix.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 04:57:02 (permalink)
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    I disagree. There is not 600pts between a 5000 series Ryzen and a 12th gen Intel. I just built a new 12900k. Clocks and temp were slightly better for the Ryzen run, but not 600pts worth. Maybe 100-200.

    https://www.3dmark.com/co...29906514/spy/26271521#

    Both systems are OC'ed with tuned b-die and Hynix.



    My links to my scores say otherwise. Then again, different driver, different temps and 100Mhz difference in clocks. It' what I have in my history of testing.
     
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 05:39:53 (permalink)
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    I disagree. There is not 600pts between a 5000 series Ryzen and a 12th gen Intel. I just built a new 12900k. Clocks and temp were slightly better for the Ryzen run, but not 600pts worth. Maybe 100-200.

    https://www.3dmark.com/co...29906514/spy/26271521#

    Both systems are OC'ed with tuned b-die and Hynix.



    My links to my scores say otherwise. Then again, different driver, different temps and 100Mhz difference in clocks. It' what I have in my history of testing.
     


    100mhz?! It's 21mhz on core. The mem difference doesn't do much at all. Those 2 drivers are about the same. Pretty sure I switched because the one I used for the 12900k was slightly better.

    My point of all of this is you guys are misleading the OP in regards to the CPU dependence on the TS GPU score. It makes a difference, but it's small unless either you have a very old CPU (older than a 9900k) or the system isn't optimized.

    And as someone already said, a mid 21k score with a bone stock 3090Ti is probably about right so I'm not sure why this is even a debate.

    The high scores on 3DMark come from people optimizing a lot of aspects of their system. Someone coming in and just running TS with no changes to their system will score low compared to others showing in the database.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 07:38:17 (permalink)
    To get back on topic, from what I've seen (and already suggested), a good daily overclock is usually:

    +75-90 core
    +500-800 mem

    Max power limit and voltage.

    Most of the 3090Ti's don't seem to be able to do much more than +120 on the core since the bios already has more core offset built in than a 3090.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 07:57:56 (permalink)
    As Talon said the CPU would limit the overall score. But in real world gaming, the CPU difference is negligible. Thank you I'll use those settings. 

      youtube.com/watch?v=3a20qo3FYKs
      youtube.com/watch?v=0_jfexkL03E
      youtube.com/watch?v=etfnmeAafo4

    My main complain is: I thought an upgrade from a 2080ti even if overclocked and water cooled, to a 3090ti which used to be $2,200 bucks would be a big difference. And average of 8fps is not a huge difference, I'm also playing in 2k resolution not 4k. So my guess is if I go to 4k the gap will close even further. 
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 08:21:27 (permalink)
    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/23969803/spy/30096887#
     
    Your 2080 ti is 15.3% better then my undervolted 3070ti but because of my 10th gen i7 your score is only 4.6% better due to my processor scoring 33.6% better then your 9th gen
    Your cpu and pci 3.0 is your problem.  
     
    Try undervolting better temperatures and consistent clocks for daily driver 
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 08:42:59 (permalink)
    alex33x
    As Talon said the CPU would limit the overall score. But in real world gaming, the CPU difference is negligible. Thank you I'll use those settings. 

    youtube.com/watch?v=3a20qo3FYKs
    youtube.com/watch?v=0_jfexkL03E
    youtube.com/watch?v=etfnmeAafo4

    My main complain is: I thought an upgrade from a 2080ti even if overclocked and water cooled, to a 3090ti which used to be $2,200 bucks would be a big difference. And average of 8fps is not a huge difference, I'm also playing in 2k resolution not 4k. So my guess is if I go to 4k the gap will close even further. 


    8 fps does sound low. Can you give a specific example? Is that 100 vs 108? Percentage is what matters. Based on the TS results we've kicked around, you should see at least a 20% increase.
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 09:43:59 (permalink)
    Yes , scaling is everything. So is the program, I started msfs at 7680x1440@144hz with a 2080ti and it could only run at medium settings to get over 30fps. A 3080 could run Ultra settings
    at 40 fps . I figured a 3090 kpe could get closer to 60, but no, it was about 7-8fps. Your OC was special and the card performed closer to a 3080 than a 3070. My 2080 sucked at OC, If you are on 1, 2k monitor may not produce a bunch more fps depending on the program. If you stay under 90 on the clock and 700 memory you probably don't even need a Power slider over 107, the Ti will respond better than most to a voltage bump. These cards undervolt well too. EK blocks work great on them , I would enjoy the card and not worry about it. We might just see similar when the 40 series comes out also, despite the leaked claims .


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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 10:02:12 (permalink)
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    I've been trying to find a thread for this, but what are some conservative OC settings for this card to improve performance, but without stressing the hell out of it? 

    Just use PX1, do the OC scan and apply those settings. Should be good to go. 

    You asked for conservative OC settings, I agree that this would be the easiest way to do that.

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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/17 15:06:37 (permalink)
    OBTW a GEN 3 PCI is not going to slow it down at all, go max power sliders and +135 c +725 mem and let's see what it does then


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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/19 06:38:42 (permalink)
    talon951
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    As Talon said the CPU would limit the overall score. But in real world gaming, the CPU difference is negligible. Thank you I'll use those settings. 

    youtube.com/watch?v=3a20qo3FYKs
    youtube.com/watch?v=0_jfexkL03E
    youtube.com/watch?v=etfnmeAafo4

    My main complain is: I thought an upgrade from a 2080ti even if overclocked and water cooled, to a 3090ti which used to be $2,200 bucks would be a big difference. And average of 8fps is not a huge difference, I'm also playing in 2k resolution not 4k. So my guess is if I go to 4k the gap will close even further. 


    8 fps does sound low. Can you give a specific example? Is that 100 vs 108? Percentage is what matters. Based on the TS results we've kicked around, you should see at least a 20% increase.


    Well in Red Dead Redemption, I did see a big jump. Like a 30fps increase, and I saw better numbers in Directx than with Vulkan. But in AC Oddyssey and Valhalla I went from Ultra 2k 76fps average with the 2080ti to just about 82-83fps with the 3090. God of War 2k ultra went from 72fps to 80fps, in Riva. These are the only games I've had a chance to try so far. 
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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/19 06:51:04 (permalink)
    BizSAR
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    I've been trying to find a thread for this, but what are some conservative OC settings for this card to improve performance, but without stressing the hell out of it? 

    Just use PX1, do the OC scan and apply those settings. Should be good to go. 

    You asked for conservative OC settings, I agree that this would be the easiest way to do that.



    I'm not too familiar with Precision, one thing I have not been able to do with it, even though I'm saving is to have it apply the settings at launch like afterburner. Though technically I could do that then apply the settings on afterburner. Though Precision looks way nicer. lol


    kraade
    OBTW a GEN 3 PCI is not going to slow it down at all, go max power sliders and +135 c +725 mem and let's see what it does then



    I'll give this a go as well. 



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    Re: Conservative OC settings 3090 TI FTW3 Precision 2022/08/19 07:29:52 (permalink)
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    I'm not too familiar with Precision, one thing I have not been able to do with it, even though I'm saving is to have it apply the settings at launch like afterburner. Though technically I could do that then apply the settings on afterburner. Though Precision looks way nicer. lol

     
     
    After running OC Scan, hit "APPLY". Core setting should show "Curve" instead of a value. If the recommended memory offset from the scan doesn't take, then manually put it in and click "APPLY". Left-click one of the profile numbers on the right hand, the number will turn blue. Then click "SAVE" on the bottom. That will save the current settings to that profile and the grey box will turn blue. Then goto settings and then select for PX1 "start with OS", start minimized (if you wish) and "Start with previous settings on load". 
     
    That's how you get PX1 to start on boot and apply the last settings like Afterburner does.  
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