Viper97

Meanwhile, I'm pirating and helping team VGT.  It may not put them in the lead but it will serve notice.

I for one don't believe the CC is worth the effort.  XZ tried but again I don't think there is an interest in our voice as a team.  So be it.  Those that don't listen often marginalize themselves.

Adak1

That's why we DON'T  do that!

The recruits ARE included into the handicap - just exactly like they were part of the team, all along. That's WHY we use RACE data, and not regular team ppd, or points/month.

That completely eliminates sandbagging in the CC - unless you want to throw a year or two of racing, away. 

sbinh

Viper97

Meanwhile, I'm pirating and helping team VGT.  It may not put them in the lead but it will serve notice.

I for one don't believe the CC is worth the effort.  XZ tried but again I don't think there is an interest in our voice as a team.  So be it.  Those that don't listen often marginalize themselves.

We - VGT - really appreciate if you would please STOP folding for our team.
We don't need your "HELP" .. and please DO NOT use our team as as a "TOOL" for you to revenge  or to protest against other team.
What you are doing is just as bad as those "helpers" / "ringers".

Regards.

bill1024

sbinh

Viper97

Why?  Since you also fold for OCF?  Last I heard I could join any team.  Have a nice day!

Since when I fold for OCF? :) ...Prove it!

I do believe that you can join any team, but we DO NOT appreciate your "HELP" - specially after you have "conflict" with somebody  and/or dislike how this CC runs.

You are more than welcome to fold for VGT team after the CC is over.

Look all the way at the bottom team. Is that proof?
http://fah-web.stanford.e...age&username=sbinh

bill1024

Adak1

bill1024

Since "sub rosa" recruiting of others can't be prevented, and will happen, why not make it a part of the race?

That's fine then, but there can't be a handy cap.
There is an old saying.
Race what you brung, and hope you brung enough.
To make a handy cap with team data, then bring in racers that are not a part of that data, is sandbagging.

If you win that way and feel good about it, well then good for you.
I wouldn't.

That's why we DON'T  do that!

The recruits ARE included into the handicap - just exactly like they were part of the team, all along. That's WHY we use RACE data, and not regular team ppd, or points/month.

That completely eliminates sandbagging in the CC - unless you want to throw a year or two of racing, away. 

The trouble I see with that it is not a definite number.
That data may of had 100 people, now this year you dug up 50 more.
It can't work like that, can it?.

• - Foster growth through NEW recruitment
• - Foster a larger sense of community both within each team and within the larger folding community as a whole
• - Spread the word as to what Folding at home is and what the  hopeful goals are
• - Be FUN
• - Overall, be an annual event to gather the varying forums back together again in friendship.

• The teams that seem to be most sensitive to setting CC rules, handicapping, etc appear to be larger teams that win most years anyway.
• Smaller teams seem to be OK with running what they brought or possibly banding together with another team.  They are having fun, not complaining about handicaps, points standings, etc, just enjoying participating.
• We run too close to the start-date every year (before CC development begins) to allow for the time it takes to work through new formulas, ideas, etc.  We don't appear to be having any success changing that situation either (case in point, the absence of Team Captain activity for several years running ).
• We have old established teams that have decided not to participate in CC anymore (HardOCP and now MaximumPC).
• The development of CC brings out the best and worst in people, but there is an identifiable trail of damage that builds during development of formulas, handicaps, etc.
• No matter how simple that we say the "forumula(s)" are, many people don't understand them and end up just trusting what is done for the most part.
• The contest does bring back old-time members that are not active Folders and to some degree brand new Folders that people invite or that stumble into Folding about the time of the contest.

• Go back to a straight points race as it was in the beginning.  I feel that the larger teams are "over-thinking" and trying to be fair with handicaps when there doesn't seem to be much indication that other smaller teams care about it.  This could bring back teams like MaximumPC if they could see a return to the basics of CC.  Many teams last year were totally fine with an all-out points race, but we pushed on for a handicap method anyway.  Maybe it is time to reel-back our protective thoughts and listen to what actually matters to smaller teams.  CC is not a sports-race, so it is OK to consider that the dynamics of what will make it work can be totally different than a professional race that demands handicapping.
• The above suggestion means "no formulas or handicaps".  Getting rid of that element would remove the debates and so much time attempting to find that perfect formula that seems to be so hard to reach.  CC would not be plagued by the arguing over whether the formula was correct and we could spend more time recruiting for the event than debating/developing the handicap system.
• Allow smaller teams to band together to compete with the larger teams (no restrictions).  If it is an all-out competition purely based on points, let it also be an all-out combination of teams that choose to do so.  This has the benefit of getting teams to reach across team lines and work together to win.  I personally feel that we can use more of that kind of stuff.