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2013/06/29 10:16:34 (permalink)
Can you get banned for using a monitor's OSD crosshair, like the one built into Asus' 144Hz monitors?
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 11:05:52 (permalink)
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    Can you get banned for using a monitor's OSD crosshair, like the one built into Asus' 144Hz monitors?

    I have never used the crosshair utility in my monitor. Why you would get any benefit from using it? I can only guess at the answer and have to ask how would EA/DICE or Punkbuster know that you were using it since it is part of the monitor and not modifying any part of the game code.
     
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 11:40:30 (permalink)
    No, it doesn't interact with the game so there's no way Punkbuster would see it, sort of like how you can do the same thing with electrical tape. (example) 
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 11:50:10 (permalink)
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    No, it doesn't interact with the game so there's no way Punkbuster would see it, sort of like how you can do the same thing with electrical tape.

    Have you tried it yet or know someone who has? I know it needs calibration and quite honestly I am getting too lazy in my old age to even mess with it right now. lol
    It is my understanding that it was designed with older FPS games in mind that had no onscreen crosshairs. Thanks for any input.
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:04:34 (permalink)
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    No, it doesn't interact with the game so there's no way Punkbuster would see it, sort of like how you can do the same thing with electrical tape.

    Have you tried it yet or know someone who has? I know it needs calibration and quite honestly I am getting too lazy in my old age to even mess with it right now. lol
    It is my understanding that it was designed with older FPS games in mind that had no onscreen crosshairs. Thanks for any input.

     
    No, but I mean if it's an OSD monitor thing it's verrrry unlikely that it would get you banned. Easiest way would be to email Valve(VAC) and Punkbuster support for a definite answer.

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:10:16 (permalink)
    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)
     
    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.
     
    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  




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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:22:20 (permalink)
    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:33:24 (permalink)
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    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.

     
    There are those who cheat, and those that do not.
     
    It -is- of course cheating if YOU have a crosshair (for whatever reason) in BF3 hardcore mode, as there is NOT supposed to be one.
    --->This gives you a advantage and is of course cheating.
    If you cannot recognise that difference, you should not play multiplayer games with others. 
     
    Its not about getting caught, its about cheating when playing in multiplayer games with others
    Either you Cheat or you dont Dont. There are no excuses or explanations to be made.
     
    If playing in-game with others where a crosshair is -designed- not to be present, use of one is a blatant cheat -period- 
     
    post edited by maniacvvv - 2013/06/29 12:43:00




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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:46:20 (permalink)
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    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.


    There are those who cheat, and those that do not.

    It -is- of course cheating if YOU have a crosshair (for whatever reason) in BF3 hardcore mode, as there is NOT supposed to be one.
    --->This gives you a advantage and is of course cheating.
    If you cannot recognise that difference, you should not play multiplayer games with others. 

    Its not about getting caught, its about cheating when playing in multiplayer games with others
    Either you Cheat or you dont Dont. There are no excuses or explanations to be made.

    If playing in-game with others where a crosshair is -designed- not to be present, use of one is a blatant cheat -period- 


    It may be unfair but it's not cheating at all. The crosshair is available to the public, only problem is you gotta buy a new monitor. 
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 12:56:29 (permalink)
    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.


    There are those who cheat, and those that do not.

    It -is- of course cheating if YOU have a crosshair (for whatever reason) in BF3 hardcore mode, as there is NOT supposed to be one.
    --->This gives you a advantage and is of course cheating.
    If you cannot recognise that difference, you should not play multiplayer games with others. 

    Its not about getting caught, its about cheating when playing in multiplayer games with others
    Either you Cheat or you dont Dont. There are no excuses or explanations to be made.

    If playing in-game with others where a crosshair is -designed- not to be present, use of one is a blatant cheat -period- 


    It may be unfair but it's not cheating at all. The crosshair is available to the public, only problem is you gotta buy a new monitor. 
    Nice attitude bro. It's just a game, no need to get your panties all in a bunch just because someone has a slight advantage over you. I guess other players using faster hardware then yourself gets you all bent out of shape as well?
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 13:04:20 (permalink)
    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.


    There are those who cheat, and those that do not.

    It -is- of course cheating if YOU have a crosshair (for whatever reason) in BF3 hardcore mode, as there is NOT supposed to be one.
    --->This gives you a advantage and is of course cheating.
    If you cannot recognise that difference, you should not play multiplayer games with others. 

    Its not about getting caught, its about cheating when playing in multiplayer games with others
    Either you Cheat or you dont Dont. There are no excuses or explanations to be made.

    If playing in-game with others where a crosshair is -designed- not to be present, use of one is a blatant cheat -period- 


    It may be unfair but it's not cheating at all. The crosshair is available to the public, only problem is you gotta buy a new monitor. 
    Nice attitude bro. It's just a game, no need to get your panties all in a bunch just because someone has a slight advantage over you. I guess other players using faster hardware then yourself gets you all bent out of shape as well?

     
    There are those who play fairly with others and those who do not
     
    We can see which one YOU are




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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 13:16:56 (permalink)
    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Sajin

    maniacvvv

    Use of external software to run a crosshair is of course, cheating if running a game that does not have one (like BF3 hardcore mode)

    This is fine for single player games, but doing -anything- that gives you an advantage and is not available to other players in Multiplayer games is considered  blatant and intentional cheating and should never be done.

    If used, a cheating ban would be warranted  

    What the OP is talking about is NOT cheating. Using a monitors OSD to display a crosshair will NOT get you banned, as the crosshair is not modifying the game code at all.


    There are those who cheat, and those that do not.

    It -is- of course cheating if YOU have a crosshair (for whatever reason) in BF3 hardcore mode, as there is NOT supposed to be one.
    --->This gives you a advantage and is of course cheating.
    If you cannot recognise that difference, you should not play multiplayer games with others. 

    Its not about getting caught, its about cheating when playing in multiplayer games with others
    Either you Cheat or you dont Dont. There are no excuses or explanations to be made.

    If playing in-game with others where a crosshair is -designed- not to be present, use of one is a blatant cheat -period- 


    It may be unfair but it's not cheating at all. The crosshair is available to the public, only problem is you gotta buy a new monitor. 
    Nice attitude bro. It's just a game, no need to get your panties all in a bunch just because someone has a slight advantage over you. I guess other players using faster hardware then yourself gets you all bent out of shape as well?


    There are those who play fairly with others and those who do not

    We can see which one YOU are

    I always play fair bro. I slow my connection down to have a higher ping, I use slower hardware, I don't tape up my monitor when playing in BF3 hardcore mode because I like leveling the playing field when online.  
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 13:29:58 (permalink)
    I don't know what to say, maniacvvv. I get the impression that today's gamers don't even understand the concept of honor.
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 13:41:11 (permalink)
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    I don't know what to say, maniacvvv. I get the impression that today's gamers don't even understand the concept of honor.


    Its not just in games, unfortunately.

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 13:52:55 (permalink)
     
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 14:03:18 (permalink)
    This is why I hate this section of the forums
    Children and adult children playing online games and making excuses for poor behavior.
     
    I play fair with others -period-
    ...its funny how around here, standing up for honest gameplay makes you a target.
     
    I am done with this thread
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 14:08:12 (permalink)
    Guess we should all return our hardware and only play with the recommended system hardware printed on the box. 


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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 14:19:30 (permalink)
    The biggest advantage in game is FPS and ping/packetloss. So unless you plan on regulating that very closely its impossible to have a fair gaming environment
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 14:25:43 (permalink)
    Yep, I remember playing BF2142 with a 20 ping, I could manipulate so many things to work in my favor after understanding how the lag worked. I could literally run in weave at anyone to get someones dog tags when I was on a server with a 20 ping or less. People would get so angry.
     
    Halo 1 for the PC was even worse... I could shoot 10 yards in front of someone anticipating where they were going to be and almost get a head shot every time... So many FPS's are like that and people think it's hacking.

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 15:12:13 (permalink)
    You won't be banned for using monitor OCD cross-hair. VAC or PB couldn't detect it if they wanted to.  Some people use erasable marker to add a dot.
     
     
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 15:54:55 (permalink)
    Or... maybe you guys can use the iron sights?

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:07:16 (permalink)
    maniacvvv

    This is why I hate this section of the forums
    Children and adult children playing online games and making excuses for poor behavior.

    I play fair with others -period-
    ...its funny how around here, standing up for honest gameplay makes you a target.

    I am done with this thread

     
    I feel ya man. I laugh at people who need that extra advantage to be able to cope with people with actual skill. We know they suck they know they suck. So let them suck.
     
    Just so you guys know PB has the ability to have a admin take a screen shot remotely. Used to be that way at least. Now I'm not sure if the cross hair will be rendered or not on said screenshot. So be careful.

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:18:19 (permalink)
    Well guess i need to stop using my gaming keyboard and gaming mouse.. because theres probably others out there still using regular old mice and keyboards.. giving myself an unfair advantage.
     
    I should probably call my isp, and get the basic cable internet... dont want to have a superior connection against my foe's.
     
    Then i think we should all be running 260 core 216 gpu's, as not everyone will have the latest gpu, and it would be unfair if i did.
     
    we all need to run the exact type and amount of memory too....
    Might as well do the same for the cpu.........
    Heck.. screw it... we should just get consoles !!!    

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:19:56 (permalink)
    fattysc

    maniacvvv

    This is why I hate this section of the forums
    Children and adult children playing online games and making excuses for poor behavior.

    I play fair with others -period-
    ...its funny how around here, standing up for honest gameplay makes you a target.

    I am done with this thread


    I feel ya man. I laugh at people who need that extra advantage to be able to cope with people with actual skill. We know they suck they know they suck. So let them suck.

    Just so you guys know PB has the ability to have a admin take a screen shot remotely. Used to be that way at least. Now I'm not sure if the cross hair will be rendered or not on said screenshot. So be careful.

    Can you take a screenshot of a monitor's OSD? If not, then I don't think you can a monitor's built in crosshair either. 
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:41:05 (permalink)
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    Well guess i need to stop using my gaming keyboard and gaming mouse.. because theres probably others out there still using regular old mice and keyboards.. giving myself an unfair advantage.

    I should probably call my isp, and get the basic cable internet... dont want to have a superior connection against my foe's.

    Then i think we should all be running 260 core 216 gpu's, as not everyone will have the latest gpu, and it would be unfair if i did.

    we all need to run the exact type and amount of memory too....
    Might as well do the same for the cpu.........
    Heck.. screw it... we should just get consoles !!!    

     
    Yeah man. Because all of what you listed has to do with cross hairs. I agree.
     

     
    None the less. It's a game, people who feel the need to try and get the upper hand will.

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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:47:28 (permalink)
    maniacvvv

    This is why I hate this section of the forums
    Children and adult children playing online games and making excuses for poor behavior.

    I play fair with others -period-
    ...its funny how around here, standing up for honest gameplay makes you a target.

    I am done with this thread

     
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 16:52:01 (permalink)
    Get the monitor... post some pics.
    go to the games website, post in there forums or try getting a hold of them and ask if it is bannable... is that a word ?
    Then let us know.
     
    I dont want to have any type of "Hardware" that will give me an unfair advantage.
     
    Time to get my deathstreak on with my basics !

    CPU  Intel i7 6700K @ 4.0 GHz 
    MB   MSI Z170A Gaming 7
    GPU  EVGA GTX 1070ti FTW2
    MEM Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4 3000 2X8GB
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    Baltothewolf
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/29 17:02:27 (permalink)
    I don't think they could ban for it (I mean it's not detectable by any stretch of the imagination, unless of course, they ban you for just owning the monitor). Heck, I use my macro on my deathadder to troll once in a while with the SKS. I have to bind the macro to 2 to shoot because normal M1 is click locked. It's really funny when I fire my SKS faster then most M16's. I have never gotten banned. By definition of cheating, it is well, cheating. You can kick and scream all you want, but it is giving you an unfair advantage by changing the core gameplay in a way that it wasn't meant to be played. 
     

    cheating  present participle of cheat (Verb)


    Verb
      1.Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination: "she cheats at cards".
      2.Deceive or trick.


    post edited by Baltothewolf - 2013/06/29 17:05:01

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    doorules
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/30 00:14:40 (permalink)


    maniacvvv

    This is why I hate this section of the forums
    Children and adult children playing online games and making excuses for poor behavior.

    I play fair with others -period-
    ...its funny how around here, standing up for honest gameplay makes you a target.

    I am done with this thread


     Like you get to decide who is cheating or not, lol. Here is a hint,  if you so dislike this section of the forums stay out of it.
     
     
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    Re:Can you get banned for using monitor's crosshair? 2013/06/30 00:50:35 (permalink)
    Bunch of morally bankrupt sociopaths in here. 
     
    The ridiculous examples and justifications you guys are using to rationalize what is clearly an unfair advantage make me sick.
     
    There's a reason that when Asus included a custom driver with their GPU's in 2001  that enabled a built-in wall-hack there was an uproar and they never tried that again.
     
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