kevinc313
 
 
*Upgrade your Ram and CPU cooler now*
 
If you're considering going to 11th gen Intel in 2021, you can get some FAST ram now (4400mhz Patriot b-die) and a CLC280 or CLC360 with push pull fans.  With proper setup and OC tuning, you should get +10% or more with your current cpu and you'll get max performance when you upgrade mb/cpu. This will be especially helpful with maximizing single core performance and might get you to a solid 144fps with your current CPU.

 
Im running a CLC 280 now. Got 32gb 3200mhz 16/18/18/36. Im leaning to a Ryzen 5900 when they come out Next month, rather than waiting until (likely) end of Q1 for Intel

I would suggest upgrading your system. PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 is more marketing advantage for 4.0 right now. Real world = not so much. Choose whatever brand works for you.

I upgraded from a 3930K x79 platform to 10850K Z490.

Games that would crash in DX12 on X79 run flawlessly on Z490.

1080 FTW @ 1440p patiently awaiting an upgrade.

I_R0M_I

kevinc313
 
 
*Upgrade your Ram and CPU cooler now*
 
If you're considering going to 11th gen Intel in 2021, you can get some FAST ram now (4400mhz Patriot b-die) and a CLC280 or CLC360 with push pull fans.  With proper setup and OC tuning, you should get +10% or more with your current cpu and you'll get max performance when you upgrade mb/cpu. This will be especially helpful with maximizing single core performance and might get you to a solid 144fps with your current CPU.

 
Im running a CLC 280 now. Got 32gb 3200mhz 16/18/18/36. Im leaning to a Ryzen 5900 when they come out Next month, rather than waiting until (likely) end of Q1 for Intel

I see.  No idea how your 6700K overclocks and how it handles memory overclocks. In general, you could pick up about 4-7C improvement in cooling with push pull fans and maybe 5-10% improvement in single core speed with tight, fast ram.  Also consider setting your AIO so it's getting intake air if it isn't already.
 
Not sure how how popular the new Ryzen is going to be. It will probably (SURPRISE) be hard to get for a few months after launch, just like like last time.  The 10900K was hard to get until recently.  Also take a good hard look at EXACTLY how the chip performs in the games you play, for example, the 3900X isn't any faster than an overclocked 6700K in single core, at least per userbench.
 
https://cpu.userbenchmark...zen-9-3900X/3502vs4044
 
(you may want to run it yourself and see how you're stacking up)
 
This is why I stress memory and cooling when someone talks about bottlenecking in single core heavy games.
 

buttabean
https://www.mersenne.org/download/
have you run prime95 to see if cores get dropped with your oc? 

Are you questioning if his core clocks are dropping under gaming load?  Definitely something to check with Afterburner etc logging in game.

You could easily get a new 5600X and an entry B550 or X570 board and standard 3200 ddr4 ram and make a great deal and save money.
Unless you can afford midtier+ parts then do it :) The 3080 is a beast let it loose

im sitting at a 9700k, 32gb of pc3600, and a 2070 super...
if I finally get my grubby hands on a 3080 what kind of gains am I going to see?

OP I had the same problem, I'm currently using a intel Core i7 4790k @ 4.4Ghz, 16GB DDR3 2400Mhz memory & a RTX 2080ti, for me the fix was to upgrade my monitor- I upgraded to a 27" Acer Predator XB271HK 4K (3840 x 2160) 60hz IPS G-Sync Gaming montior. This did help remove my CPU bottleneck by moving most of the cpu load to the gpu instead, gameplay is very smooth in all games. If you are trying to get 144FPS+ you will need a better cpu, IMO the RTX 3080 is more intended as a flagship 4k graphics card & is overkill for 1440P. Hardware unboxed did a great video where they talked about the CPU scaling on the new RTX 3080 & stated @ 1080P a RTX 2080ti gave similar performance meaning the new RTX 3080 ampere gpu scales better at higher resolutions (4K).
 
https://www.techspot.com/...40p-gaming-bottleneck/

kevinc313

njbongo
If you do a youtube search for 
AMD Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Common RAM Mistakes 
Gamer's Nexus tested lots of different speeds, you get more gains on an AMD system from faster memory then Intel.  Regarding my earlier post.  Sorry I still cant post web links.  :)

I already posted the GN article that video is based on.  It's not that faster is better, it's that you HAVE TO match fclk with memory speed on ryzen otherwise you waste a bunch of performance - that's FAULT of their TRASH architecture, not a feature.

Right, but my original point was, he will see huge leaps in performance upgrading his CPU and Mobo, not so much going with faster memory, assuming he gets a 10th Gen Intel CPU since he already has DDR3200.  Unless money is no object and he wants to get the fastest memory possible anyway.  For me, the gains aren't worth the extra cash.

I_R0M_I
Wow, the posts are thick and fast!
 
Ive gamed with HWinfo open on second screen, core clocks are all 4.5, none are dropping massively.
 
Im pretty much decided on a Ryzen 5900X assuming I can get one on release. With a X570 Tomahawk potentially. Money is an object, but im not trying to get best for a certain budget, I also dont want to just bu ya 5950X for the sake of it. 5900X seems more than enough, without skimping. 
 
The GN memory link, I did skip through last night. If im honest, Ive not messed with memory past XMP.
Currently have 2 x 16gb of Corsair 3200 @ 16/18/18/36 which seems to be not bad? Timings are lower than current Corsair 3600, and the same as the 8Pack Extreme.
I was guessing I would try and get it to 3600 if I can. But that isnt a priorty at build. I can do that once its all up and running if its not benching well.
 
In the GN link, what Ram is the top stuff? All the rest has the names, top ones just say 3866 @ whatever clock etc.
I dont even know what B die is, not looked at ram for 4 years+ !

That link is all about AMD, from what I saw on the charts, DDR4 3600 is the best for the current gen of Ryzen, because there is an some controllers in the CPU that will adjust to 1800 MHz (1/2 of dual channel 3600) so everything runs ta the same speed.  It looks like the most performance he pushed out of a Ryzen system is with DDR4200, and that was a big gain over 3200 ON RYZEN 3950x I believe.  He has to do some more tweaking beyond turning on XMP though, at 4200 speed.
 
The new Ryzens coming out will most likely be different.  They have improved memory timings and controls with each generation, but you will need to see reviews when it comes out.  
 
However, I don't think you will get the same gains on Intel.  I have an i9-9900k, with DDR4 36000, GSkill Trident Z - 32 MB.  I have tested myself, turning XMP off and the memory running at 2933 (stock Intel max speed) and then with XMP on, at 3600 and in gaming the difference is MARGINAL at best.  This is similar to many test by reviewers online.  Same for 3DMark benchmarks.  The machine overall feels a little zippier for general use.  It's really up to you, and depending on what you want to spend money on, but if you go with a 10th gen Intel, I would try the 3200 you have first and see if you are happy with it.  The cost for the higher speed memory is crazy from what I have seen, and for me, not worth it.
 
Getting into crazy overclocking everything might change what I am stating above, but I don't do that much.  The only thing I overclock usually is the GPU using the "OC Scanner" built into MSI Afterburner and ASUS GPU Tweak - which is safe and designed by Nvidia.    
 
Bottom line, if you want to go with the Ryzen 5000 series, I would get an x570 board and a 5900x CPU, and keep using your memory for now, until reviews come out wit the changes and benchmarks with dif memory speeds.

Mkilbride2599
My 8700K @ 5GHZ is CPU limiting the 3080 @ 1440p. Gamers Nexus confirmed this.
 
I literally was in shock. Like "No way am I CPU limited on this CPU already"

So are you upgrading your cpu? Or is the bottleneck not that bad? Also have an 8700k and a 750watt g3 psu. I was more worried about my psu than my cpu.

Dabadger84
I saw some seriously-insane increases in the FPS in about half the games I play, with my 1080 Ti FTW3 Hybrid, when I went from a 3930K to a 9900K about 20 months ago.  I don't think you'd see quite the increases I did, but you will definitely see a sizeable increase if you upgrade your platform to a newer CPU.
I'd wait for Ryzen 5000 if I were you, of course, because A: if you wait & buy it, it's going to be amazing, or B: If you don't wanna buy it, it should drive down the prices of previous gen Ryzen, as well as current Intel CPUs, getting you better performance at a better price eith erway.
Just switching to a newer platform netted me between 30-80% more FPS depending on how CPU dependent the game was, but then again, that was going from DDR3 to DDR4 RAM as well.
Also anyone telling you "fast RAM matters" on modern Intel is a bit full of it, the diminishing returns are real once you get over 3200MHz (anything less than 3200 can make you fall off a cliff performance wise depending on the game though).  It's more important to find out if your motherboard, once you upgrade, is t-topology, or Daisy Chain, for the RAM circuitry layout, as that can have a pretty notable impact on overclockability, both of the CPU & RAM, if you are using the wrong RAM configuration with the wrong RAM circuitry layout.  Most Asus & Gigabyte boards are T-topology & should be used with 4 DIMMs of RAM, that I know for sure, can't comment on others.

Sweet information.     So looking at my rig, if I went and bought two more of the same RAM modules I'd see a performance boost?
 
Edit: Also going from i7700k / Z270  to 10700k / z490 gave me about %20 increase in Jedi Fallen Order.  In the end I was a little disappointed, as I figured I'd get a lore more in a 3 Generation skip

yaggaz
Edit: Also going from i7700k / Z270  to 10700k / z490 gave me about %20 increase in Jedi Fallen Order.  In the end I was a little disappointed, as I figured I'd get a lore more in a 3 Generation skip

While it is a "3 generation" change, the 6700K, 7700K, 8700K, 9700K & 10700K are all 'related', they're based off the same 14nm process & the performance increase, while noticeable as you said, is pretty underwhelming from one gen to the next, because they're basically a refined version of the same chip the 6700K was.  I believe the 4000-series is where things went to older generation stuff... I know the jump from 3930K (which would apply to the 4000K series too because it was still X99 if memory serves) to 9900K was gigantic though, partly because of the RAM going from DDR3 to DD4.
 
So from 2015 to now, Intel really hasn't increased their performance "that much".  The increases in performance are more related to frequency than anything else I think.  6700K in example only boosted to 4.2GHz max... whereas now the 10700K is hitting, what, 4.9GHz?  That's a 16% increase in just raw processor speed, let alone the other chipset/architecture etc improvements between the generations.  Intel would argue that's pretty good, but in reality... compare it to what AMD has done in the past 5 years, going from the ridiculously weak FX-series CPUs, just to Ryzen first generation is a huge leap.  Then the 5000-series coming out next month is supposedly a 26% increase over the 3000-series, which itself was a pretty decent increase over the 1000 & 2000 series CPUs.  
I'm really hoping AMD innovating & closing the gap, and even passing Intel in some instances, will finally motivate them to push ahead again... otherwise, my next build will be an AMD setup again... I almost went X299 or Threadripper instead of 9900K, but that idea went south when a shipping issue happened with my eVGA X299 board & I ended up sayin' screw it, got a 9900K & this Gigabyte board instead.
I've never owned a Gigabyte board before, but I'm very happy with it.

isaiahsix8
I am so curious to see independent numbers on the AMD. I will probably jump to the intel as my mobo is pcie 4 and intel 11th gen ready, but I want to see the numbers on both the AMD and Intel. I really don’t know where I stand on these new chips yet.

Even if AMD is exaggerating, their performance to price ratio just keeps getting better and better... not to mention Intel's chips are constantly MIA in terms of stock because of their issues with supply & node issues.
Hopefully AMD is learning from NVidia's fumble of the 3000-series launch & will make sure they have a good supply of the 5000X-series CPUs so they don't instantly disappear in terms of stock.  I'm looking forward to seeing those numbers, as I'm currently planning on upgrading to the Threadripper version of Zen 3 in about a year.

I have a 8700k, a little OCd.... wonder if it will be ok then ..i only game 2k