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2014/09/20 12:18:14 (permalink)
You may not be aware but Dual Fan coolers vent heat into your case. This raises the ambient temperature thereby reducing cooling efficiency. A blower style cooler, although louder, vents 100% of the heat out of the case.
 
On the 7xxx series, the myth is that they vent only 50% of the heat into the case, and this is mostly true for other coolers with horizontal fins. With ACX and ACX 2, the fins are vertical as shown below on a 7xxx card. The rear exhaust is actually mostly being blocked by the outer fins!
 
If the 9XXX series is also using this cooling, then we have a problem.
 

 
Blocked vent below:
 

 
This means that ALL of the heat from the GPU is being dumped into the case. What makes matters worse is that the motherboard side of the heatsink is going to be mostly blocked by the motherboard. So, the only way for most of the air to escape is the opposite of the motherboard side, straight up to where the CPU heatsink is located, thereby even reducing the cooling of the CPU as well as the GPU.
 
Of course the problem is worse when an SLI system is involved.
 
This is going to cause severe cooling issues for people who have good to weak airflow in their cases. The only people not to be affected will be ones who have extremely good airflow with lots of fans and ports.
 
Yes, I know review sites have shown better cooling than blower heatsinks, but they are using OPEN test beds such as:
 

Without a case to surround the configuration, and the fins facing vertically laying on the horizontal test bed (compared to our vertical tower cases), of course, their tests are going to show better cooling. 
 
Unfortunately, this will not translate well to real world heat dissipation performance.
 
In summary, I propose that the best (and cheapest) cooling solution, although noisier, is a blower heatsink. Next, a horizontal heatsink solution where half the heat is vented outwards. Worst, is the ACX / ACX2 which are vertical heatsinks; which block a large portion of the output vent on the card and dump 100% of the heat right into the case. 
 
Remember: The hotter the GPU, the lower the boost frequency!
 
I would appreciate any counter opinions on the issue, and perhaps even some tests! 
 
I may be wrong, but knowledge is always good.
 
-- Zash
 
 
 
post edited by RAGEdemon - 2014/09/20 12:56:35
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 12:48:03 (permalink)
    Very good post and it definitely holds true. Though I will add the following:
     
    Anyone with a single gpu setup that has a case with good air flow will probably NEVER notice a difference in temperatures vs a blower style cooler, as you stated. The ACX coolers dissipate heat very well in this circumstances. However, people with SLI configurations will begin to see the adverse affects that a cooler such as the ACX can cause (i.e. a delta of 10c+ between the top and bottom cards in a lot of cases.)
     
    It really depends on your case and your airflow. I have excellent airflow in my case and as such don't see much of a difference. But, for people with smaller cases with minimal fans, a blower style is most likely your best choice overall. It really just comes down to your personal rig!

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 12:54:39 (permalink)
    also, these coolers start to sag over time.  the rear of the card sags and then the fan will start to CHOP into the shroud 
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 12:58:35 (permalink)
    I think you are right... good catch ! open you top case and put the big fan on it .. for me I still love the single fan ( airflow mostly goes 1 direction and the look is nice) more than dual fans ( look ugly and all airflow intake still dump around the case event the fins in horizone).

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 12:59:28 (permalink)
    I agree. And as what was said, it all depends on your case and airflow as well. With a full tower and great airflow, ACX in SLI can still give you better temps than blower in SLI. The spread between the two will be larger, yes, but still better max temps.
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 17:13:38 (permalink)

     
    From the 970 ACX 2.0 product page.
    post edited by geeklogik - 2014/09/20 17:15:46
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 17:39:48 (permalink)
    All Duel Fan GPUs have this issue for the most part, not only EVGA ACX / ACX 2.0 Cards.
    For a Single Card they are Great and as long as you have one open Slot between each card they are fine for 2-Way SLI and with a good case even 3-Way SLI.
    Your case needs to support this type cooler, so if you have a poor air flow case then you should get a GPU with the Standard Blower Cooler.
     
    CAUTION! should be for all Duel Fan Coolers. Also most Non Reference Cards would not have a Water Block because most Water Block are made for Reference Card layouts
     
    Note other Coolers:


     
     
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 17:54:50 (permalink)
    Thanks for the observation.

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 18:11:07 (permalink)
    Great info.  Which of the non-ref 970's use blower type fans?
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 18:13:01 (permalink)
    RAGEdemon
    You may not be aware but Dual Fan coolers vent heat into your case. This raises the ambient temperature thereby reducing cooling efficiency. A blower style cooler, although louder, vents 100% of the heat out of the case.
     
    On the 7xxx series, the myth is that they vent only 50% of the heat into the case, and this is mostly true for other coolers with horizontal fins. With ACX and ACX 2, the fins are vertical as shown below on a 7xxx card. The rear exhaust is actually mostly being blocked by the outer fins!
     
    If the 9XXX series is also using this cooling, then we have a problem.
     

     
    Blocked vent below:
     

     


    The Rear Vent is not really Blocked as the fins are going "up and down" or vertical, so their is now Air Flow to block.
     
    This is the EVGA 970 Card:
    The Fins are Horizontal on this model and the Rear Vent is Open and not blocked.


     
     
    It looks like only the EVGA GTX 980 Models and one EVGA GTX 970 Model (EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW ACX 2.0) has vertical Fins and the rest of the EVGA GTX 970 Models have Horizontal Fins.
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 18:28:46 (permalink)
    I'm planning on an SLI 980 setup, should I got with 2x Blower, 2x ACX 2.0 or 1x Blower and 1x ACX 2.0 ???
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 18:30:53 (permalink)
    RAGEdemon You may not be aware but Dual Fan coolers vent heat into your case. This raises the ambient temperature thereby reducing cooling efficiency. A blower style cooler, although louder, vents 100% of the heat out of the case.
    -- Zash

     
    Also "vents 100% of the heat out of the case." is not really true.
    I would say 90% is vented outside the case and 10% inside the Case.
     
    This is where Hot Air blows into the case
     
    Note the Fins on the Right Side, they vent hot air into the case.

    And on the Rear Bottom you can note that at lest 12-14 fins are block by the DVI Port.
     
     
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 18:34:22 (permalink)
    geeklogik
    I'm planning on an SLI 980 setup, should I got with 2x Blower, 2x ACX 2.0 or 1x Blower and 1x ACX 2.0 ???



    2x Blower, why so that that later if you want to go over to a water blocks you will not have all the issues that users are having now looking for Water Block.
    You should also try to have one open slot between each card for better air flow but you do not need it as bad as the Non Blower Coolers.
     
    You should not mix models for SLI, the Clocks are not the same for the most part. You will need to compare the specs of each card and they should match for best results and compatibly.
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 22:49:06 (permalink)
    Not a problem if you setup your case for positive pressure. This will pull in cool air from the front and push the hot air out the back/top of the case. Works great with either style graphics card.

     
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/20 23:03:16 (permalink)
    I understand everything, but it's good because we have options.
    If Radeon owners with Sapphire non reference cards not complain and their cards blow 85C in case non stop than Maxwell and Kepler owners are in much better position.
    We have 3 option:
    1. Turbine + AIO Exhaust = + Cold Case and fans almost don't need. - Loud and Less Space for OC.
    2. ACX Cooler usually with heavy overclocked models = + More space for OC, More Silent, - More heat in Case (all of them blow air inside of case, where that's less important)
    2. Watercooling = + Best for OC, + Best Ambient Temps, - High Price
     
    We can choose and no one can't tell as during Fermi generation EVGA no dual cooler cards, because they had best system and cards came with very high clock. I would love, but they measure temps on ambient temps on bench table in room, not in restrictive space, everybody.
    And ACX is very good in such condition. Best option is watercooling and I would love to more manufacturer produce more models of nice and simple Universal GPU Block for non reference cards because that can reduce price and people can keep same system for 3-4 generations.
     
    ONLY ONE THING IS IMPORTANT AND NVIDIA MUST TO FINISH THAT, TO MOVE SPACE ON 90C.
    THEIR CARDS CAN'T DROP CLOCK BEFORE 90C. 83C IS BAD SOLUTION.
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 07:54:36 (permalink)
    I like the cards that blow out of the case better but that's because I think they look better. I would say most gaming cases are well ventilated now or dont have a side case cover on. I think most systems are leaning towards water coolers now too ( like the H100) because they are cheap and easy to install.
    So while I think your post is correct about blowing hot air inside the case I dont think it makes a difference on most systems.

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 08:20:03 (permalink)
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    Great info.  Which of the non-ref 970's use blower type fans?


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    I would say on this Blower type 98% would blow out the rear of the case.


     

     
     
    Maybe the GTX 970Ti or the GTX 970Ti Classified model (*If EVGA makes them) will come with this Blower:

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 08:50:56 (permalink)
    If you are going to invest in high-end GPU's for your rig, my advice is to spend a little extra and go for a larger case that is designed to really ventilate the interior airspace well - then you aren't limited by the GPU's cooling design and everything simply works no matter what you throw into your case.   A good case may cost a bit more, but the difference isn't all that much and it will also last through many years/rounds of upgrades. 
     
    I've gone the water cooling route myself quite some time ago and have never looked back - takes a bit more time and $, but cooling headaches are a thing of the past - I can overclock the crap out of my hardware and never have to worry about anything overheating.

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 14:01:07 (permalink)
    Or USE an In Win S-Frame or D-Frame
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 14:06:01 (permalink)
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    Or USE an In Win S-Frame or D-Frame


    Not really a very nice looking case and @ $500 sorry $800 @ NewEgg More Images

     

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 14:08:47 (permalink)
    Yah, when you use that photo it isn't too pretty...
    How about this one:
     

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 14:22:40 (permalink)
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    Yah, when you use that photo it isn't too pretty...
    How about this one:
     


    Nice Red, have a front View?
    We should keep on Subject though.

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 16:56:21 (permalink)
    wonder why the ftw has vertical fins? is the cooler more robust then the ones with horizontal, such as the sc?

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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 17:22:33 (permalink)
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    wonder why the ftw has vertical fins? is the cooler more robust then the ones with horizontal, such as the sc?


    wondering the same thing
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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 18:04:04 (permalink)
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    wonder why the ftw has vertical fins? is the cooler more robust then the ones with horizontal, such as the sc?


    wondering the same thing


    Its all about airflow, when the fins are vertical then can exhaust more air from the fin stack, when they are horizontal less air can be exhausted therefore reducing cooling performance


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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 19:17:16 (permalink)
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    Or USE an In Win S-Frame or D-Frame





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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 19:52:42 (permalink)
    The rad for my CPU is cooled by an intake fan on the back of my tower. Therefore ACX is a better option, as a vent fan would just blow hot air out the back only for it to be sucked back in by my rad fans.
     
    It's not as cut and dry as "dumping air in the case is bad", guys.


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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 20:38:09 (permalink)
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    The rad for my CPU is cooled by an intake fan on the back of my tower. Therefore ACX is a better option, as a vent fan would just blow hot air out the back only for it to be sucked back in by my rad fans.
     
    It's not as cut and dry as "dumping air in the case is bad", guys.

    Exactly.. layout and components make a difference. I had a similar question the other day because of a side-mounted rad that sucks air from the inside of the case. Still not 100% sure whether to go ACX or 'traditional' fan cooling. If I had the time I'd probably go back to full water loops, but I'm down to about 4 hours sleep a night at present... no time for setting up and ongoing maintenance.
     

     
     


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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 20:43:05 (permalink)
    I don't know if I should be waiting for the 970 FTW with 2.0. I've been reading around elsewhere (beside all the noise issue threads on this site), and see more reason to be scared. I'm definitely going to wait until one of you get it and give a review. There's a thread on anandtech showing some weird manufacturing on the 970 with 2.0. The smaller heatsink isn't covered. There are other pics from other reviews as well. Hoping to hear from reps about all these issues because I love my EVGA products. But for once I'm not rushing on it.
     


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    Re: CAUTION: Please think CAREFULLY before buying cards with ACX / ACX 2.0 cooling! 2014/09/21 20:49:27 (permalink)
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    You may not be aware but Dual Fan coolers vent heat into your case. This raises the ambient temperature thereby reducing cooling efficiency. A blower style cooler, although louder, vents 100% of the heat out of the case.
     
    On the 7xxx series, the myth is that they vent only 50% of the heat into the case, and this is mostly true for other coolers with horizontal fins. With ACX and ACX 2, the fins are vertical as shown below on a 7xxx card. The rear exhaust is actually mostly being blocked by the outer fins!
     
     
    Remember: The hotter the GPU, the lower the boost frequency!
     
    I would appreciate any counter opinions on the issue, and perhaps even some tests! 
     
    I may be wrong, but knowledge is always good.
     
    -- Zash
     

    I shortened your post so my response would not be to long in size...
     
    Well, I think your intent was meant as a good gesture. But your delivery strikes me as... All "News at 11" commercials. With words like "Myths" and "Severe".
     
    This fan option is a choice that has been spoken about rather regularly. Blowers are for small cases or those without a proper amount of airflow.
    The ACX version is for situations with good airflow.
     
    With that said... As long as there is airflow, most of the parts are designed to live in a warm environment as long as the air is flowing over the cooling mechanisms. For the last year I have been running an ACX 780 Classified, 24/7 in folding or crunching, in a Corsair 800 Case. This case is not the best choice for air.
     
    The 780 is set at 100% fan. Yet I have a 360 RAD up top, three 120 fans pushing air into the 360's (Making them exhaust) for the CPU only and run around 63-68c on the GPU and 58c-61c on the CPU. This case has one 140 in the bottom as an intake, one as exhaust in the rear and one as intake on the side next to the SSD's. All running @ 65% of max RPM's. That is it.
     
    So... One should have a good understanding of what their system needs are when they are deciding just what GPU fan style they need. I for one will use the ACX version because of the performance and reduced noise it provides me fits my needs. It will either be ACX or Waterblocks. I have no intention to ever go back to the blower style because they lack what I desire for the fan to adequately pull or push enough heat away from the GPU to allow peak performance. 
     

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