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2018/11/22 15:27:49 (permalink)
So I've had my new loop running for about a week now and most of the bubbles have worked themselves out except for the reservoir.  For some reason, they are sticking to the inside walls.  What can I do to get rid of these?

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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 15:32:23 (permalink)
    You need to get the rest of the air out of the loop. If there is bubbles, either you are sucking air in somewhere or there is air stil hidden in a reservoir. Tilt and gently shake to try and break the air pocket loose.

    I have never done it, but supposedly a drop of dish soap will pull the air out. I usually just tilt and gently shake until the air breaks loose.
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 15:47:48 (permalink)
    I don't think that's the case because nothing is coming to/from the rads or pump.  These aren't bubbles actively feeding into the res.  They are bubbles just stuck to the walls.  I've tried tilting the case and tapping on the res but they aren't budging.  I'm assuming there is a coating to the inside of the res that is creating some sort of surface tension?

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 18:08:43 (permalink)
    If there is bubbles appearing in your res, there is air somewhere or an active air leak getting into your loop.

    Show a picture of your loop.


    I donā€™t want to seem like I am short or anything, but I highly suggest using google:

    http://www.tomshardware.c...icro-bubbles-reservoir

    http://www.tomshardware.c...ing-bubbles-cavitation


    Just a couple of examples for reference.

    If you have a radiator at the top of your case, and that radiator does not have a bleed valve at the top, then air can get stuck in the top side of the radiator, even with tilting.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2018/11/22 18:16:25
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 19:13:26 (permalink)
    Figured a video would speak louder than words or pictures.  FYI, the IN port of my res is the angled (temporary) piping going to the top rad.  The OUT port of the res goes down to the pump in the PSU shroud via 90 degree fitting from the res.  The vertical piping you see comes directly from the pump to the front rad.  Clearly there are no bubbles being created in the loop and there will always be air trapped in the rad's that you'll never get out.  You can get most out but there will always be a little left somewhere.  In my specific situation, no bubbles are traveling in the piping or being created by cavitation from the pump because they've worked themselves out.  If air was coming from the rad's, it would have been seeing traveling in angled pipe and if it was caused by the pump, you would see it in the vertical piping to the front rad.  We're not seeing this here.  These bubbles are just hanging on the res walls.  Unless you're seeing something that I'm not.
     
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    post edited by Lord Odin - 2018/11/22 19:39:43

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 20:14:07 (permalink)
    Use a zip tie, rub the bubbles off the wall of the res. If they come back, you are pulling air into the loop somewhere, believe it or not.

    Your video didnā€™t show much, surprisingly. You started to move toward the cpu block and top rad, then went right back to the res. It would be helpful to see the entire loop.

    Pictures can show plenty, but a video can show more.

    For now, turn the computer off and use a zip tie to break the bubbles loose.

    P.s. my d5 pump is great at removing air pockets. I had a bubble break loose two months after building my loop. Two months... sure air may remain somewhere but there is probably small amounts of micro bubbles you canā€™t see in the tubes.

    If you canā€™t figure it out with anything above, I would suggest the drop of dishwashing fluid trick.

    *edit* what is your pump speeds and do you have control over them. Can you speed up and slow down the pump fairly easy? If so, full speed to low speed and back may help also. It will cause more turbulence in the res to move the bubbles and break them free. I run mine at 50% usually.
    post edited by the_Scarlet_one - 2018/11/22 20:25:33
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 20:34:05 (permalink)
    Tap on the Cylinder with rubber hammer.

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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/22 21:46:32 (permalink)
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    Use a zip tie, rub the bubbles off the wall of the res. If they come back, you are pulling air into the loop somewhere, believe it or not.

    Your video didnā€™t show much, surprisingly. You started to move toward the cpu block and top rad, then went right back to the res. It would be helpful to see the entire loop.

    Pictures can show plenty, but a video can show more.

    For now, turn the computer off and use a zip tie to break the bubbles loose.

    P.s. my d5 pump is great at removing air pockets. I had a bubble break loose two months after building my loop. Two months... sure air may remain somewhere but there is probably small amounts of micro bubbles you canā€™t see in the tubes.

    If you canā€™t figure it out with anything above, I would suggest the drop of dishwashing fluid trick.

    *edit* what is your pump speeds and do you have control over them. Can you speed up and slow down the pump fairly easy? If so, full speed to low speed and back may help also. It will cause more turbulence in the res to move the bubbles and break them free. I run mine at 50% usually.

    Pump is running around 1300 rpm but will try and run it for full speed at 4500 rpm and cycle the speeds several times as well.
     
    Once I get the GPU block, I'll have to drain the system anyway, and that would be a great opportunity to wipe down the inside of the res for any residue.  I prepped the rads but I didn't clean the res before use.  Is it normal to have this happen on EK res's?

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 09:36:05 (permalink)
    I was not Joking above, it takes my Cylinders about a week to clear and this is running the CPU and GPU at full power to heat the Coolant up. I Tap on mine two or three times a day. This is with my Pump at Full Power. I also Tap on the Tubes but I am also using Soft Tubing.
    I Tap on the Radiators as well all around and they hold the most air as I can see the bubbles come out through the Tubing.
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 09:39:05 (permalink)
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    Pump is running around 1300 rpm but will try and run it for full speed at 4500 rpm and cycle the speeds several times as well.
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    Once I get the GPU block, I'll have to drain the system anyway, and that would be a great opportunity to wipe down the inside of the res for any residue.Ā  I prepped the rads but I didn't clean the res before use.Ā  Is it normal to have this happen on EK res's?


    I have never had to wipe down my reservoirs and I exclusively utilize EKWB Pump/Res combos. Iā€™ve already stated what I believe it to be.

    Your slow pump speed may be the culprit. If it isnā€™t causing enough turbulence, that may be the explanation for the bubbles.
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 10:36:45 (permalink)
    Lord Odin why so slow on the pump speed? If the speed is so low that it does not cause turbulence in the blocks and radiators you get air trapped AND your cooling efficiency is dropped due to laminar flow of the water
     
    Unless there is a noise concern just run that thing at max
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 11:29:10 (permalink)
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    Lord Odin why so slow on the pump speed? If the speed is so low that it does not cause turbulence in the blocks and radiators you get air trapped AND your cooling efficiency is dropped due to laminar flow of the water
     
    Unless there is a noise concern just run that thing at max


    The pump speed is on a curve; not constant.  It only runs that slow during idle.  I haven't had a chance to push the CPU to require a higher speed yet because I'm not benchmarking until I get the GPU in the loop.  I want to know how the whole loop is going to behave as a system rather than as a component and then have to change settings again.
     
    That being said, I did try running the pump full throttle all night last night but no bubbles worked themselves out of the rads or from the res walls.  Like you guys alluded to, I was hoping for some turbulence to break those bubbles free in the res but they're not even wiggling.  I'm wondering if the anti-cyclone foam is preventing that.

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 11:31:38 (permalink)
    And you have tried tipping the case around correct?
     
    Last fill I did on mine took a week for the bubbles in my EK res to clear out
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 11:36:18 (permalink)
    WAIT WAIT WAIT..
     
    After looking at your picture and the video, the fitting in the top of the res is the return correct? What I don't see is a down tube inside the reservoir.
     
    If it is the way I am seeing it if you just have the return to the res in the op and no down tube inside the res you have the coolant falling through any air space at the top picking up air.
    Down tubes prevent this, tube should be 1/4 to 1/2 the way down I think
     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 11:46:19 (permalink)
    I've tried tipping the case side-to-side and front-to-back.  I didn't want to flip if over because of the fill port on top, although everything is sealed.  Just didn't want to risk leaks if I didn't have to.
     
    The top of the res is the fill port.   The IN port is in the bottom-left.  The OUT port is in the bottom-right. (I can markup a pic if needed)
     
    Also, res is filled to the top if that makes any difference.  Even tried burping the system from the top fill port in case of air pressure build-up after initial temp build.
    post edited by Lord Odin - 2018/11/23 11:49:21

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 12:02:32 (permalink)
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    I've tried tipping the case side-to-side and front-to-back.  I didn't want to flip if over because of the fill port on top, although everything is sealed.  Just didn't want to risk leaks if I didn't have to.
     
    The top of the res is the fill port.   The IN port is in the bottom-left.  The OUT port is in the bottom-right. (I can markup a pic if needed)
     
    Also, res is filled to the top if that makes any difference.  Even tried burping the system from the top fill port in case of air pressure build-up after initial temp build.




    Carry on then.. thought perhaps one port on the bottom was a drain and the top was your return / inlet
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 12:17:58 (permalink)
    Why don't you try taking a piece of like 24 gauge vinyl coated wire, like a speaker wire, and feed it through the loop from the res and see if it can pop any standing air. Just don't feed it through the pump though, lol .:)

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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/23 12:45:01 (permalink)
    After I add the GPU, think Iā€™m going to not fill the res as much and use a bendable straw to stir the bubbles out like a glass of soda. The. Top it off after.

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/25 11:29:06 (permalink)
    You should be glad to see the bubbles in your reservoir.  That means the loop is bleeding out to your reservoir as it should and it will take weeks if not months to settle down.  One way to speed up this process is to run your pump(s) at full bore but again, it will just take time to adjust.

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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/11/25 15:08:02 (permalink)
    I don't think anyone is actually listening to what I'm saying...
     
    Thanks anyways.

     
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    Re: Bubbles in reservoir 2018/12/08 20:33:27 (permalink)
    the dish soap trick is supposed to do a good job of keeping your res and tubes clear of micro bubbles and bubbles in general. i would give that a shot before you install the gpu block. ive found that heating the coolant up by looping benchmarks etc helps in getting rid of bubbles.

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